Calm down is fantastic live fwiw. I don’t expect she’ll cut any - it’s not the new album tour it’s the eras tour / could see them being surprise songs though.
I see this theory a lot, but The Archer would be so difficult to cut that I have trouble envisioning it. It's a load-bearing song. It covers a stage change, lighting change, the dancers and band resetting for the Fearless set, the crew having time to reset for the Fearless set, that really epic transition into the Fearless set is musically built around The Archer's outro -- idk, maybe I'm just not imaginative enough, but I can't picture it working going straight from the ending of Lover (the song) into Fearless.
You're getting downvoted but I agree, IF she's adding that song to the setlist in the first place she's clearly over it emotionally and it's totally fine to have fun singing along
I found Jon’s podcast on Midnights really off-putting. I agreed with a lot of the criticism, but at one point the conversation was suggesting Taylor needed to get married or have a baby so she had something new and interesting to write about. It discounted anything else they said for me. I also picked up on a little revisionist history about the initial response to Reputation. Which many critics are guilty of, but again, that discounts their view for me.
I never listened to the podcast, I just always enjoyed the NYT reviews and was disappointed to find it was by someone else. So maybe I'm misunderstanding the comments you're citing - but Jon did give reputation a positive review back in the day. And while I don't personally care if she rehashes old topics as long as I like the songs, I don't think it's inaccurate to say that it sometimes felt like she was running out of new ones (though maybe the marriage thing is not the best way to put that).
Circling back here after listening to Jon’s Popcast on TTPD- I actually thought it was really well done! Very balanced, not taking any low blows or bad faith judgements. It probably helps that I share a lot of the same opinions and favorites on the album, but I do think this is one of the more balanced critiques I’ve taken in the past few days. Helped restore a little faith in humanity I was starting to lose from all the hot Reddit and critical takes lol I would also recommend Every Single Album pod if you liked this.
I think this fandom has a bit of a habit of pitting things against each other. Ranking stuff is fun but sometimes it feels like if you love one thing you have to find flaws with something else, and it's especially weird in cases like this, cause you'd think everybody got a lot of what they wanted.
I know everyone's got different taste but that's so crazy to me. It might be the best bridge she's ever written. I would've died for your sins, instead I just died inside
I've seen some comments that it could be refering to the script of the ATW10 music video, and I do think that makes sense with "the actors were hitting their marks / and the slow dance was alight with the sparks / and the tears fell in synchronicity with the score".
I think she'll add a TTPD section however I don't think we'll get I can Do it with a broken heart, acoustic or otherwise. I just can't see her wanting to get onto a stage to sing about how miserable the tour made her and how her fans are always demanding more from her
I mean it's not really about the tour making her unhappy, just having to power through it despite being miserable after a break-up. Presumably she's not in that headspace anymore so I don't think that would necessarily stop her from singing it.
I fell in love with "Clara Bow", "The Manuscript" and "Robin" only after quite a few listens. "Cassandra" has at least clawed it's way up to "interesting, might grow on me yet".
I would say that lover is in 4/4... it's easier to hear if you listen to the drum line. The issue is that Lover is a type of dance called a Texas Two Step. The Texas Two step is based on a drum pattern (called bizarley the Texas Three Step) which is triplets on cymbal and snare on 1 and 3 (plus this is usually swung a bit, as in lover). Taylor's melody is syncopated off of this beat, and if you reinterpret the triplets as eighth notes, and the snares as dotted quarter notes, you end up with 12/8 time.
Sorry to revive a weeks old thread but I think it's so funny we just had this conversation cause I've been running into the "waltz time vs 4/4 with triplets" thing a lot on TTPD. Like I think "How did it end" and "Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus" could be counted either in 4/4 or pretty fast 12/8, and bits and pieces of other songs also throw me a bit.
I've seen people talk about the odd time signature/switch of "The smallest man who ever lived" but nothing yet about "Cassandra". I think it's in 6/4 but switches to 4/4 for the bridge and the outro but I'm not totally sure.
I've become completely obsessed with "The smallest man who ever lived", like in a is this her best song ever?? way. I feel like the odd time signature sounds so natural here while still giving that slightly off feeling, so then the moment it shifts and the bridge kicks in is incredibly cathartic.
So far my rankings had remained pretty stable, but as a first result of listening to the album in a loop for hours "Clara Bow" and "Robin" are rising fast right now.
I don't disagree, but it would've come across as quite hypocritical had she suddenly started condemning it on the album. I kind of appreciate the candor
Favorite cover is The Albatross, favorite bonus song The Black Dog. As I do listen to my vinyls, I would've ordered The Black Dog. Will probably end up with The Manuscript now 🤷
I remember being completely underwhelmed when Midnights released, and then critics raved about it and it broke all records. I'm loving this album so hope it doesn't get the opposite reaction now. Final thoughts on pre-release day:
Yeah I'm weirdly impressed by the whole thing. She's dragging the Matty story back into the spotlight, singing about emotionally cheating on Joe, and raging against her fans. She'll get away with it too (personally I love the album) but it's still kind of crazy.
Finished The Queen of Air and Darkness, by T.H.White. Second book in the The Once and Future King series. I'd heard great things about this series but I think it's time to accept I'm just not really connecting with it. Maybe at some point I'll feel like continuing this but for now I'll leave it.
I'm not sure anymore. Probably Worm28 and Hartella. Anomie but only like a second before it was revealed. Reading your theory I guess Grant could've made some sense as the murderer but I could've never bought him as Anomie.
"Touched by an angel", "Italian Summer" and "Hard Advice" are some I love that I rarely see mentioned. To a lesser extent also "Running through the garden".
I haven't seen it, and I admit the idea of shortening the trilogy into one evening makes me scared, but I do regularly listen to "The Cat and the Moon" (total bop) and "The Road goes ever on" (very pretty)
Calm down is fantastic live fwiw. I don’t expect she’ll cut any - it’s not the new album tour it’s the eras tour / could see them being surprise songs though.
She all but confirmed she's adding a TTPD segment and even just for legal reasons it doesn't seem like the show can get much longer than it is.
Probably to do with the fact she's going on tour again in two weeks I'd say. Also she just doesn't need the promo.
I see this theory a lot, but The Archer would be so difficult to cut that I have trouble envisioning it. It's a load-bearing song. It covers a stage change, lighting change, the dancers and band resetting for the Fearless set, the crew having time to reset for the Fearless set, that really epic transition into the Fearless set is musically built around The Archer's outro -- idk, maybe I'm just not imaginative enough, but I can't picture it working going straight from the ending of Lover (the song) into Fearless.
I want The Archer so thank you for this well thought out reassurance
I need the crowd to chant more! lol
You're getting downvoted but I agree, IF she's adding that song to the setlist in the first place she's clearly over it emotionally and it's totally fine to have fun singing along
I found Jon’s podcast on Midnights really off-putting. I agreed with a lot of the criticism, but at one point the conversation was suggesting Taylor needed to get married or have a baby so she had something new and interesting to write about. It discounted anything else they said for me. I also picked up on a little revisionist history about the initial response to Reputation. Which many critics are guilty of, but again, that discounts their view for me.
I never listened to the podcast, I just always enjoyed the NYT reviews and was disappointed to find it was by someone else. So maybe I'm misunderstanding the comments you're citing - but Jon did give reputation a positive review back in the day. And while I don't personally care if she rehashes old topics as long as I like the songs, I don't think it's inaccurate to say that it sometimes felt like she was running out of new ones (though maybe the marriage thing is not the best way to put that).
Circling back here after listening to Jon’s Popcast on TTPD- I actually thought it was really well done! Very balanced, not taking any low blows or bad faith judgements. It probably helps that I share a lot of the same opinions and favorites on the album, but I do think this is one of the more balanced critiques I’ve taken in the past few days. Helped restore a little faith in humanity I was starting to lose from all the hot Reddit and critical takes lol I would also recommend Every Single Album pod if you liked this.
Thanks for the link! I'm not really a podcast person so not sure I'll go deeper but I listened to this one and quite enjoyed it.
I think this fandom has a bit of a habit of pitting things against each other. Ranking stuff is fun but sometimes it feels like if you love one thing you have to find flaws with something else, and it's especially weird in cases like this, cause you'd think everybody got a lot of what they wanted.
I know everyone's got different taste but that's so crazy to me. It might be the best bridge she's ever written. I would've died for your sins, instead I just died inside
I think Smallest Man should’ve been track 5. So Long, London is a really good one but I hate how it never builds up to anything bigger.
I think she deliberately picked Joe tracks for the 5s and I don't mind that but I do like Smallest Man better.
I've seen some comments that it could be refering to the script of the ATW10 music video, and I do think that makes sense with "the actors were hitting their marks / and the slow dance was alight with the sparks / and the tears fell in synchronicity with the score".
I think she'll add a TTPD section however I don't think we'll get I can Do it with a broken heart, acoustic or otherwise. I just can't see her wanting to get onto a stage to sing about how miserable the tour made her and how her fans are always demanding more from her
I mean it's not really about the tour making her unhappy, just having to power through it despite being miserable after a break-up. Presumably she's not in that headspace anymore so I don't think that would necessarily stop her from singing it.
I fell in love with "Clara Bow", "The Manuscript" and "Robin" only after quite a few listens. "Cassandra" has at least clawed it's way up to "interesting, might grow on me yet".
I would say that lover is in 4/4... it's easier to hear if you listen to the drum line. The issue is that Lover is a type of dance called a Texas Two Step. The Texas Two step is based on a drum pattern (called bizarley the Texas Three Step) which is triplets on cymbal and snare on 1 and 3 (plus this is usually swung a bit, as in lover). Taylor's melody is syncopated off of this beat, and if you reinterpret the triplets as eighth notes, and the snares as dotted quarter notes, you end up with 12/8 time.
Sorry to revive a weeks old thread but I think it's so funny we just had this conversation cause I've been running into the "waltz time vs 4/4 with triplets" thing a lot on TTPD. Like I think "How did it end" and "Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus" could be counted either in 4/4 or pretty fast 12/8, and bits and pieces of other songs also throw me a bit.
I've seen people talk about the odd time signature/switch of "The smallest man who ever lived" but nothing yet about "Cassandra". I think it's in 6/4 but switches to 4/4 for the bridge and the outro but I'm not totally sure.
I've become completely obsessed with "The smallest man who ever lived", like in a is this her best song ever?? way. I feel like the odd time signature sounds so natural here while still giving that slightly off feeling, so then the moment it shifts and the bridge kicks in is incredibly cathartic.
So far my rankings had remained pretty stable, but as a first result of listening to the album in a loop for hours "Clara Bow" and "Robin" are rising fast right now.
if smallest man who ever lived is considered a pleasant portrayal of the man i would hate to know what he’s actually like IRL
She blasted him for ghosting her but did not really join in condemning his public behavior. I'd guess that's what he's refering to.
Taylor be like “racism and n*zi signs? that’s okay, revolting jokes? cute…BUT ghosting ME, how dare you!?”💀
I don't disagree, but it would've come across as quite hypocritical had she suddenly started condemning it on the album. I kind of appreciate the candor
Favorite cover is The Albatross, favorite bonus song The Black Dog. As I do listen to my vinyls, I would've ordered The Black Dog. Will probably end up with The Manuscript now 🤷
I remember being completely underwhelmed when Midnights released, and then critics raved about it and it broke all records. I'm loving this album so hope it doesn't get the opposite reaction now. Final thoughts on pre-release day:
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Yeah I'm weirdly impressed by the whole thing. She's dragging the Matty story back into the spotlight, singing about emotionally cheating on Joe, and raging against her fans. She'll get away with it too (personally I love the album) but it's still kind of crazy.
Kind of sad the prologue isn't a song, would make for good lyrics imo. I like "It was house and then cardiac arrest"
Has she ever said she'd stop at 10? I wasn't aware of that.
Finished The Queen of Air and Darkness, by T.H.White. Second book in the The Once and Future King series. I'd heard great things about this series but I think it's time to accept I'm just not really connecting with it. Maybe at some point I'll feel like continuing this but for now I'll leave it.
That's interesting, until now I thought Tuomas caught all the flak from the breakup. I didn't realise Tarja suffered damage too.
That's wild to read tbh. Tarja got absolutely dragged over the coals back in the day. A lot of people took that letter at face value.
I'm not sure anymore. Probably Worm28 and Hartella. Anomie but only like a second before it was revealed. Reading your theory I guess Grant could've made some sense as the murderer but I could've never bought him as Anomie.
"Touched by an angel", "Italian Summer" and "Hard Advice" are some I love that I rarely see mentioned. To a lesser extent also "Running through the garden".
Really cool she got an interview there.
I haven't seen it, and I admit the idea of shortening the trilogy into one evening makes me scared, but I do regularly listen to "The Cat and the Moon" (total bop) and "The Road goes ever on" (very pretty)