That sounds about like what my father probably would have said. This guy will just find out if he made the right decision in a few decades when his adult children finally talk about it.
And that sounds like something someone without much life’s experience and without any GROWN children and grandchildren would say. Government schools teach Such wonderful values after all. Testing scores fantastic also! 🤣
Nobody is going to tell you public school is a great system. It's just the bare minimum. People who homeschool their children usually think that they're doing the right thing, and more often than not are involved in some kind of religious organization which leads them to believe this. It will be the kids decision if you, or anyone, did the right thing in deciding that. With my siblings, it's 4 no's and 0 yes. My parents are in their 70's now. Homeschooled rural and biblical and are on track to die without grandchildren. Every case of homeschooling is different. The common themes are the lack of social interaction and being raised with a single set of ideas.
I would totally disagree, maybe decades ago people homeschooled because of religious beliefs, but in the last few decades, people homeschool overwhelmingly because of the failure of government schools. At the end of the day, though to somehow think that the government knows what’s best for children that they have not seen or met or not is absolutely ludicrous. Our public school system has developed into a system that only attempts to teach education, but now overly tries to teach social issues again that should be taught by the parents. where I live there are strict rules on homeschooling and the amount of social interaction that must take place if a child is homeschooled. These children belong to the parents, not the government end of story.
To be clear do mean “poor workmanship?” If thats the question heres my thoughts and or opinion; i bought my 1st motorhome in 93, it was built pretty damn solid and never had an issue until a semi backed up at a truck stop and shoved a big “h or i beam” through the side wall. Then in 08 we bought a new jayco TT that was built rock solid and never had an issue that wasn’t my fault. In 2019 we traded that for a fifth wheel. After the first season was over and we were done for that season with it we took it back to the dealer for warranty work. We had a list; 48 problems, this included replacing every cabinet door because they were all hung crooked and the hardware was installed crooked on every door and drawer. They had that unit for 6 months. We decided when we picked it up we would trade it for a bigger fifth wheel for more room for the grandkids and their moms and dads. So in April of 20 we picked up our new toyhauler. It’s been nothing but issue after issue after issue. To this day the level up landing gear still creeps down when set up AND while going down the road. Many times I’ve had to use ratchet straps to hold the landing gear up while traveling. You would think a manufacturer would be embarrassed about that by having a customer do that all the time. Who’s to blame for this, the dealer, noooooo they pass the buck to lippert. When i talk to lippert they pass the buck back to the dealer. Most of the problems I’ve had so far has been fixed by 3 different people, me myself and I. Do i think its poor workmanship, yep, i sure do think it is most of the time. Im not saying that OP wasn’t responsible for this issue, however, there is still a shit ton of poor workmanship going around and everyone is pointing the finger at everyone else.
You said HIS issue was “poor workmanship” sorry I was not asking about your experiences and opinion on rv construction (which to a degree i agree). I do wonder though why you kept buying poor workmanship and you never had it inspected before hand by a certified inspector before delivery? Kinda rule 1 when making an informed purchase
Well i get that but when you think you trust a dealer and then get screwed it is on me. The sad thing is every one of ours were bought brand new. I know that doesn’t mean anything either. The third RV we bought was completely warrantied and everything was fixed and fixed very well by the dealer in our area. This last RV however, nope. I’ll just keep plugging along and fixing stuff making it the way i want while doing it, whats a guy to do right?
I think you’re on the right track. Research research research. I think it’s pretty well established that anything built during Covid runs a higher risk of needing repair work. Many seasoned Camper will tell you the best RV you can buy is one that was well-maintained and is a few years old and has been inspected. let’s face it. They’re built to be as light as possible so that they could be towed yet still have to be made to basically go through an earthquake every time they’re taken on the road. If you can find one that doesn’t have a lot of miles that’s always a plus. Dealers do not do a good job of explaining that these are not lifetime purchases. And as buyers we should know with a little common sense to research and wonder why you don’t see very many RVs that are more than 10 years old that are in decent shape. A simple trip to any campground will show you that many people are still learning how to do things the proper way. Some people want to learn and will research some people are stubborn and have deep pockets and do nothing but complain and repurchase over and over I’m not throwing you in that basket. I’m just saying you know the type.
You can tow anything. The problem is how experienced are you? What condition is your equipment in? How much wear and tear are you willing to put on your equipment? And how unsafe are you willing to be? We all make these decisions every day when we drive and we go over the speed limit or try to go through an intersection when the light turns yellow. If you’re someone that is inexperienced, your equipment is poor, Extremely over limits or just out of your league I wouldn’t even consider it. You always have the legality to consider also but it is that way anytime you get behind the wheel it just does not have to do with towing it has to do with every decision we make so whenever the tow police step in remember there are lots of “police” out there that deal with every aspect of our life, most of those people are busy bodies anyways. It’s amazing how many people have no experience towing anything and will go out and buy an $80,000 truck $80,000 camper and on their way they go and somehow think that they’re the safest people on the road, but they’ve never towed anything in their life and or have no formal training…Common sense is the biggest factor… if you don’t, you need to always error WAY on the side of caution…if it was me i would have to add a small wdh, beef up the suspension, tires, add a transmission and oil cooler. Also possibly use a second vehicle to carry some heavy items?... If you are using it maybe a half a dozen times a year and for short distances then maybe it’s doable
Sorry for your troubles. A little research would have provided you with a better understanding of how to make an informed purchase on an RV. You HAVE TO GET IT INSPECTED or you risk just what happened. Good luck.
I have 300 watts of solar and a generator that I have never used. Basically, running one ruins the camping experience for everyone around you, and for a lot further than you think. Generator are the first thing I would remove from the planet if I had three wishes.
I get the whole idea of the noise totally but if the decibel of the generator is less than let’s say your neighbors music or kids playing then how is it any worse?
And for the record I hate ignorant people who disregard the campers around them with noise and light. BUT…..That’s what campground rules are for and should be enforced. DB levels that are enforced are the easiest way to do this
Find a certified RV inspector and have him show you a sample inspection. You’ll find out that they do a more thorough inspection than when you get for your house. Have him do one get the results and if comes back to your liking then you’ll have a clear conscience about making the trip. Trust me been there done that.
EXTREMELY overpriced. I get very good results using a standard stone and enclosure. I’ve compared it to my friends Yoder oven and after the HUGE hassle of install AND uninstall it was a BIG no thanks. I fix 2-4 pizzas a week btw on my 640…that being said if MOST of the time your using smoker with the pizza oven and not the smoker for smoking then yes it’s a solid purchase
The pizza stone is only half of it you need the item that I put a link to that’s what carries the heat up and over the pizza and cooks it from the top as well. You can cook a pizza in about 5 to 6 minutes and it will get extremely hot into the 700° range easy with your pit set at approximately 400°. It turns it into an actual pizza oven not using the pizza stone. I’ve made killer deep dish pizza in a deep dish, pizza, stone, lasagna, etc. again the Yoder oven is so overpriced. It’s ridiculous unless it’s something you use all the time I just can’t see spending the money when I watched what my buddy had to do to remove it out of his pit, I knew there had to be a better way and I found it for my use that is. We actually both made pizza him in the Yoder pizza oven and mine. In the set up. I use using the same ingredients. Our families couldn’t tell the difference. His got done three or four minutes quicker. Now again, the Yoder pizza oven is a tank and will last forever just like our pits but I’m sorry I’ll use that money on Meat
You get what you pay for. Unless you are going to spend a ton of money then yes you’re correct but if you’re willing to spend 2K or more they will last you get what you pay for. You do your own research study materials, used and customer service and you’ll find them.
That thing is so overpriced It’s not even funny. Get a bumper mounted hitch mount off of Amazon go to Lowe’s get some longer bolts washers and nuts and you’ve got about $40 into it. It’ll do the same thing.
They are not $20 110 volt fans. They tried cheap fans but the lube in the bearings froze at about 25 degrees. They tried a lot of bearings before they got what they needed without costing $100 each. And more time to get enough of a supply to cover more than the 1500. Sorry, it just grinds my gears when people assume the cheapest part available was grabbed and tossed in the box. Or assume these are 12 volt computer fans.
No I was just curious I’ve already found my own replacement ball bearing fans a couple years ago. They’ve lasted well over 100 cooks no problems I love them. I did this upgrade on my own before Yoder came out with it. I was just curious on what brand they went with
I say this first and most sincerely with NO disrespect intended. Usually only a new or novice worries about pellet changes. If you do this long enough you will realize two things. 1) pellets are pellets as long as they are QUALITY. ZERO need to replace for another kind. 2) the more doors/openings the more room for moisture to get in…
Yes, the Yoder can smoke and grill. As far as the smoker, it is an excellent smoker. Quality wise. It is pretty well surpassed for its price point. While it also grills, the footprint is small if you were talking about some hamburgers or hotdogs or putting a sear on a steak yes it can do that. But as with any pellet grill, and I stress that any pellet grill, a cheap gas grill will do a better job grilling than a smoker. The Yoder is a smoker not a grill. While it can achieve extremely high temperatures in the pit. Those temperatures are not meant to be held for any length of time. A set of grill grates will raise your temperature significantly for grilling at the point where your meat touches however. Too many people think it’s some sort of a competition to say who’s smoker will get to a higher temperature for what I don’t know. There are electronics as well as seals that do not do well with excess temperatures. If you’re looking to do a lot of grilling by yourself a cheap Sam’s griddle for a couple hundred bucks and use it when you need to do 20 or 30 hamburgers or hotdogs if you’re doing some steaks yes, the Yoder will do just fine and you will be extremely happy. Don’t take my word for this as far as what the Yoder is intended to do. Please call Yoder themselves. They will be more than happy to explain it the same with a Traeger or any other manufacturer. Too many people will tell you what their smoker can do yet when they fail a year to down the road you won’t hear anything about thatalways find out what the smoker was intended for. Any questions feel free to ask
I hit over 700° easily ambient air temp quite regularly. What that puts the grill greats at? Who knows, its hotter than I cook at. Yes you can grill on it. And it gets hot enough to have plenty of flexibility in temp.
You WILL ruin the silicone seals in your smoker. It’s not meant to be at that temperature for any length of time. Do not I repeat do not take my word for this call Yoder. I’m sure you would not be wanting to give out this advice if you knew it was incorrect or misplaced.
Not an insult at all. Hope he didn’t take it that way. He’s starting with smoking and made a brisket he was happy with. Im happy for him. Always good to see a newbie enjoying the fruits of his labor. My point was just that its more about celebrating him successfully making a brisket than the brisket itself correct? I mean thats how i took his comment anyways.
That sounds about like what my father probably would have said. This guy will just find out if he made the right decision in a few decades when his adult children finally talk about it.
And that sounds like something someone without much life’s experience and without any GROWN children and grandchildren would say. Government schools teach Such wonderful values after all. Testing scores fantastic also! 🤣
Nobody is going to tell you public school is a great system. It's just the bare minimum. People who homeschool their children usually think that they're doing the right thing, and more often than not are involved in some kind of religious organization which leads them to believe this. It will be the kids decision if you, or anyone, did the right thing in deciding that. With my siblings, it's 4 no's and 0 yes. My parents are in their 70's now. Homeschooled rural and biblical and are on track to die without grandchildren. Every case of homeschooling is different. The common themes are the lack of social interaction and being raised with a single set of ideas.
I would totally disagree, maybe decades ago people homeschooled because of religious beliefs, but in the last few decades, people homeschool overwhelmingly because of the failure of government schools. At the end of the day, though to somehow think that the government knows what’s best for children that they have not seen or met or not is absolutely ludicrous. Our public school system has developed into a system that only attempts to teach education, but now overly tries to teach social issues again that should be taught by the parents. where I live there are strict rules on homeschooling and the amount of social interaction that must take place if a child is homeschooled. These children belong to the parents, not the government end of story.
To be clear do mean “poor workmanship?” If thats the question heres my thoughts and or opinion; i bought my 1st motorhome in 93, it was built pretty damn solid and never had an issue until a semi backed up at a truck stop and shoved a big “h or i beam” through the side wall. Then in 08 we bought a new jayco TT that was built rock solid and never had an issue that wasn’t my fault. In 2019 we traded that for a fifth wheel. After the first season was over and we were done for that season with it we took it back to the dealer for warranty work. We had a list; 48 problems, this included replacing every cabinet door because they were all hung crooked and the hardware was installed crooked on every door and drawer. They had that unit for 6 months. We decided when we picked it up we would trade it for a bigger fifth wheel for more room for the grandkids and their moms and dads. So in April of 20 we picked up our new toyhauler. It’s been nothing but issue after issue after issue. To this day the level up landing gear still creeps down when set up AND while going down the road. Many times I’ve had to use ratchet straps to hold the landing gear up while traveling. You would think a manufacturer would be embarrassed about that by having a customer do that all the time. Who’s to blame for this, the dealer, noooooo they pass the buck to lippert. When i talk to lippert they pass the buck back to the dealer. Most of the problems I’ve had so far has been fixed by 3 different people, me myself and I. Do i think its poor workmanship, yep, i sure do think it is most of the time. Im not saying that OP wasn’t responsible for this issue, however, there is still a shit ton of poor workmanship going around and everyone is pointing the finger at everyone else.
You said HIS issue was “poor workmanship” sorry I was not asking about your experiences and opinion on rv construction (which to a degree i agree). I do wonder though why you kept buying poor workmanship and you never had it inspected before hand by a certified inspector before delivery? Kinda rule 1 when making an informed purchase
Well i get that but when you think you trust a dealer and then get screwed it is on me. The sad thing is every one of ours were bought brand new. I know that doesn’t mean anything either. The third RV we bought was completely warrantied and everything was fixed and fixed very well by the dealer in our area. This last RV however, nope. I’ll just keep plugging along and fixing stuff making it the way i want while doing it, whats a guy to do right?
I think you’re on the right track. Research research research. I think it’s pretty well established that anything built during Covid runs a higher risk of needing repair work. Many seasoned Camper will tell you the best RV you can buy is one that was well-maintained and is a few years old and has been inspected. let’s face it. They’re built to be as light as possible so that they could be towed yet still have to be made to basically go through an earthquake every time they’re taken on the road. If you can find one that doesn’t have a lot of miles that’s always a plus. Dealers do not do a good job of explaining that these are not lifetime purchases. And as buyers we should know with a little common sense to research and wonder why you don’t see very many RVs that are more than 10 years old that are in decent shape. A simple trip to any campground will show you that many people are still learning how to do things the proper way. Some people want to learn and will research some people are stubborn and have deep pockets and do nothing but complain and repurchase over and over I’m not throwing you in that basket. I’m just saying you know the type.
Smaller trailer, low to the ground (fiberglass or airstream) bigger truck.
Really?!?
WDH weight distribution hitch.
There’s a big difference between a cargo trailer and an RV when towing.
You can tow anything. The problem is how experienced are you? What condition is your equipment in? How much wear and tear are you willing to put on your equipment? And how unsafe are you willing to be? We all make these decisions every day when we drive and we go over the speed limit or try to go through an intersection when the light turns yellow. If you’re someone that is inexperienced, your equipment is poor, Extremely over limits or just out of your league I wouldn’t even consider it. You always have the legality to consider also but it is that way anytime you get behind the wheel it just does not have to do with towing it has to do with every decision we make so whenever the tow police step in remember there are lots of “police” out there that deal with every aspect of our life, most of those people are busy bodies anyways. It’s amazing how many people have no experience towing anything and will go out and buy an $80,000 truck $80,000 camper and on their way they go and somehow think that they’re the safest people on the road, but they’ve never towed anything in their life and or have no formal training…Common sense is the biggest factor… if you don’t, you need to always error WAY on the side of caution…if it was me i would have to add a small wdh, beef up the suspension, tires, add a transmission and oil cooler. Also possibly use a second vehicle to carry some heavy items?... If you are using it maybe a half a dozen times a year and for short distances then maybe it’s doable
Sorry for your troubles. A little research would have provided you with a better understanding of how to make an informed purchase on an RV. You HAVE TO GET IT INSPECTED or you risk just what happened. Good luck.
I have 300 watts of solar and a generator that I have never used. Basically, running one ruins the camping experience for everyone around you, and for a lot further than you think. Generator are the first thing I would remove from the planet if I had three wishes.
I get the whole idea of the noise totally but if the decibel of the generator is less than let’s say your neighbors music or kids playing then how is it any worse?
Of course, none of this is objective. I don't have the International Convention on Camping Etiquette to point to.
And for the record I hate ignorant people who disregard the campers around them with noise and light. BUT…..That’s what campground rules are for and should be enforced. DB levels that are enforced are the easiest way to do this
When your smoker is still new…..( does it still have the price tag on it) seriously enjoy though
Find a certified RV inspector and have him show you a sample inspection. You’ll find out that they do a more thorough inspection than when you get for your house. Have him do one get the results and if comes back to your liking then you’ll have a clear conscience about making the trip. Trust me been there done that.
EXTREMELY overpriced. I get very good results using a standard stone and enclosure. I’ve compared it to my friends Yoder oven and after the HUGE hassle of install AND uninstall it was a BIG no thanks. I fix 2-4 pizzas a week btw on my 640…that being said if MOST of the time your using smoker with the pizza oven and not the smoker for smoking then yes it’s a solid purchase
That is a good point. I have done a few take and bake type pizzas just using the standard set up and they turn out awesome.
The pizza stone is only half of it you need the item that I put a link to that’s what carries the heat up and over the pizza and cooks it from the top as well. You can cook a pizza in about 5 to 6 minutes and it will get extremely hot into the 700° range easy with your pit set at approximately 400°. It turns it into an actual pizza oven not using the pizza stone. I’ve made killer deep dish pizza in a deep dish, pizza, stone, lasagna, etc. again the Yoder oven is so overpriced. It’s ridiculous unless it’s something you use all the time I just can’t see spending the money when I watched what my buddy had to do to remove it out of his pit, I knew there had to be a better way and I found it for my use that is. We actually both made pizza him in the Yoder pizza oven and mine. In the set up. I use using the same ingredients. Our families couldn’t tell the difference. His got done three or four minutes quicker. Now again, the Yoder pizza oven is a tank and will last forever just like our pits but I’m sorry I’ll use that money on Meat
Here is what i use over the open diffuser door …
That’s not bad for 158 I’d go for it. I’m not paying high prices above $500 after 2-3 yrs they all die I’d buy that next in a heartbeat
You get what you pay for. Unless you are going to spend a ton of money then yes you’re correct but if you’re willing to spend 2K or more they will last you get what you pay for. You do your own research study materials, used and customer service and you’ll find them.
Yes. This is true almost about anything.
Agreed
That thing is so overpriced It’s not even funny. Get a bumper mounted hitch mount off of Amazon go to Lowe’s get some longer bolts washers and nuts and you’ve got about $40 into it. It’ll do the same thing.
Is going to play crazy games with your controller and analytics especially long term
Are we that insecure?
Uh… thank the Ravens….
Lots of tests done. Approx 6-8 inches in ideal. Sear all the way in. 90% of the people never touch it
They are not $20 110 volt fans. They tried cheap fans but the lube in the bearings froze at about 25 degrees. They tried a lot of bearings before they got what they needed without costing $100 each. And more time to get enough of a supply to cover more than the 1500. Sorry, it just grinds my gears when people assume the cheapest part available was grabbed and tossed in the box. Or assume these are 12 volt computer fans.
I wonder which brand of fans they used there’s only a small handful of manufacturers.
I have them installed on my Yoder now. I have listed a link to the model numbers they sent me. It came in Yoder box from Yoder. Should I post Pics?
No I was just curious I’ve already found my own replacement ball bearing fans a couple years ago. They’ve lasted well over 100 cooks no problems I love them. I did this upgrade on my own before Yoder came out with it. I was just curious on what brand they went with
Why paint? Its a greasy smoker for heaven’s sake! A pristine smoker more than 6mo old is a patio queen 😉
I have . Vented out to edge of room then up to above roof
I say this first and most sincerely with NO disrespect intended. Usually only a new or novice worries about pellet changes. If you do this long enough you will realize two things. 1) pellets are pellets as long as they are QUALITY. ZERO need to replace for another kind. 2) the more doors/openings the more room for moisture to get in…
Plastic knife = click bait…. Also the filter to add tint to the pic was a nice touch 🤣
Thruster
🤣
Vent for holding tank, with a fancy "weather vane top" which is supposed to help it vent more based on wind pressure.
Thank you!
Bought an inline switch..Stays plugged in but switched off after shutdown is complete.. MUCH EASIER
Yes, the Yoder can smoke and grill. As far as the smoker, it is an excellent smoker. Quality wise. It is pretty well surpassed for its price point. While it also grills, the footprint is small if you were talking about some hamburgers or hotdogs or putting a sear on a steak yes it can do that. But as with any pellet grill, and I stress that any pellet grill, a cheap gas grill will do a better job grilling than a smoker. The Yoder is a smoker not a grill. While it can achieve extremely high temperatures in the pit. Those temperatures are not meant to be held for any length of time. A set of grill grates will raise your temperature significantly for grilling at the point where your meat touches however. Too many people think it’s some sort of a competition to say who’s smoker will get to a higher temperature for what I don’t know. There are electronics as well as seals that do not do well with excess temperatures. If you’re looking to do a lot of grilling by yourself a cheap Sam’s griddle for a couple hundred bucks and use it when you need to do 20 or 30 hamburgers or hotdogs if you’re doing some steaks yes, the Yoder will do just fine and you will be extremely happy. Don’t take my word for this as far as what the Yoder is intended to do. Please call Yoder themselves. They will be more than happy to explain it the same with a Traeger or any other manufacturer. Too many people will tell you what their smoker can do yet when they fail a year to down the road you won’t hear anything about thatalways find out what the smoker was intended for. Any questions feel free to ask
I hit over 700° easily ambient air temp quite regularly. What that puts the grill greats at? Who knows, its hotter than I cook at. Yes you can grill on it. And it gets hot enough to have plenty of flexibility in temp.
You WILL ruin the silicone seals in your smoker. It’s not meant to be at that temperature for any length of time. Do not I repeat do not take my word for this call Yoder. I’m sure you would not be wanting to give out this advice if you knew it was incorrect or misplaced.
I appreciate the fact that you were able to make a decent brisket you were happy with. 🤷♂️
Why does this sound like an insult somehow lol
Not an insult at all. Hope he didn’t take it that way. He’s starting with smoking and made a brisket he was happy with. Im happy for him. Always good to see a newbie enjoying the fruits of his labor. My point was just that its more about celebrating him successfully making a brisket than the brisket itself correct? I mean thats how i took his comment anyways.
It’s not? I was under the impression that low and slow was anything under 250
Hot n fast would be 300-325