I like the Baltic counties commitment to NATO. They are very aware of the danger Russia poses and their willingness to defend their friends against the Russians at all costs rather heartwarming. They are all model members of NATO, in other words.
They need to be vocal and offensive. They know if Russia ever makes a move on them they'll be reliant on NATO getting fully involved. If they advocate for relaxed responses then they can expect that when Russian missiles start landing in Lithuania.
My family is from Lithuania. I grew up hearing the stories of the soviets and the nazis. Fuck them mother fuckers right up their fucking asses with battery acid as lube
But giving up NATO territory is definitely part of the WWIII playbook. Traditional scenarios are for instance based on the idea that Russian tank divisions would race towards the Atlantic coast to prevent American deployment. NATO picks of all logistical support from the air, and then destroys them and advances.
He actually said "centimeter" in his actual speech. I don't know why translation uses inch. One inch and one centimeter is rather a huge difference wether to activate article 5 or not
It's just a figure of speach using a nonsense measurement because it fits. Like, what is the length of a jiffy and in what practical sense does one apply it other than in a figure of speech. Same goes foe imperial measurements.
Baltic States and Poland are ready to go and tear Russia apart. Good luck to them, if any nations know what it's like to live under the heel of Russians with too much power, it's those four countries.
I find their responses the most telling & the strongest of indicator of “how should russia’s actions be perceived, should we appease them to avoid WW3?”, because if the BALTICS, which are as in-the-middle-of-ww3-as-possible are saying: “NO, we’d rather risk WW3 to hold the line”, how can anyone, tankie or otherwise, argue that Russia is some victim of NATO aggression, and in some way justified in their actions??
Keep in mind that no matter what the US, the Baltic States, or any other nations say, the decision on whether or not to invoke Article V is up to Poland.
Article 5 is to defend all NATO allies and their territory. It is not meant be used to go on the offensive against a perceived threat. Although it is really ambitious as to when it can be invoked.
Honestly I wouldn’t necessarily characterize it as gigantic balls. Don’t mean any offence to Lithuania, they deserve to be able to call out Russians for their current and past misdeeds.
No we don’t. Petty sanctions against russian people and our president saying big statements like this when we know US is obligated to protect us is hardly big balls.
Testing the waters for what? How would they benefit in any way at all from dragging the whole might of NATO into this, when they're already retreating?
Putin done fucked up. He needed Trump to win the Presidency again, and got fucked. He needed the Republicans to gain control of the senate again, and got fucked. Now this? How much worse can things get for this asshole? The West needs to seize all Russian assets and deport all native Russians back to their homeland. That’s how you take out Putin.
I pray it was completely unintentional, I don’t think this would lead to war if unintentional. If it came out that it was intentional, Poland would be in a really tough place to not declare Article V.
I believe it to be intentional, with the almost perfect location and even the date of this attack with western powers focused on the g20 summit, to try to minimize the impact of the literal act of striking a NATO power. I agree with your sentiment above, that nobody wants WW3, not even the Russians. I believe they may be expecting us to act with an understanding to downplay this event to stop another world war. They would be wanting us to chalk this up as an accident. I believe they are testing waters to see what they get away with, and dropping a couple missiles right on the edge of a warzone in Ukraine, "accidentally" splashing Poland a NATO power. I believe they know what they are doing. Even if they didn't mean to do this, this MUST run a consequence.
IF it turns out that Russia actually fired this missile NATO would have to respond militarily whether it was intentional or not. Otherwise any sense of deterrence and credibility would evaporate, and we may as well disband the alliance.
The only problem is how many others will go stray as the war goes on. When will a school in Poland get hit "by accident"? I get it was probably a 1 off and Russia will try to be more careful but there will be others that hit Poland. We just need to bring this war to an end now it's getting silly.
I don't see Poland invoking article 5 even though they could. But Poland could engage in Ukraine by themselves without involving the rest of NATO too. Providing air defense and ground support.
They're aware of the reality of war for the citizens of Ukraine (rape, torture, murder, etc. at the hands of Russian soldiers), and hoping that other nations will bring and end to this, sooner rather than later.
Or maybe they've spent the past half year reading those posts and seeing the atrocities brought upon innocents by the Russians. And maybe they're at the breaking point and the injustice of it all makes them say stuff they might regret. But at least it's authentic.
How did appeasement work with the Nazis? How many millions are you prepared to sacrifice to Russian agression? How many raped kids? 40 a day? 20 abducted and genocided children a day? What number is acceptable?
On the one hand, it seems foolish to allow full scale war to break out over 2 deaths, but then where's the red line of NATO? If you can forever inch forward then what's the point of NATO at all?
Whelp, whatever happens at the end of this mess, at least russia has re-strengthened the importance and public opinion of the eastern european countries. so... well done?
For those who don't really understand what the lithuanian president is saying, what he means by that is 'every 2.54cm of Nato territory must be defended'
Question what if what if Poland decides to fire 2 missile like either in russia bridge that Ukraine hit give the F u to Putin or hit in Ukraine land that is taken by russia to help Ukraine when pushing would russia be like I deserve that and I'm not going to attack because I dont want to go into ww3 to me it be blood for blood or 2 missiles for 2 missiles
Every life too... Entering a war that will kill millions is not worth it. Negotiations should always be first, the path of non violence is better and easier to maneuver. Once you hit back ...
I foresee Russia getting some bombs heading their way soon. So far the US has held back Ukraine, but if that little arrogant wanker is now sending missiles into NATO territory, mistake or not, the world will retaliate. The world is long past tired of Russia's bull shit. Time for Russia to personally feel the pain.
For fucks sake step in now! Ukraine has been fighting for months. Russia will not stop going for more and more territory if you don’t stand up to them.
What's the number, then? I mean, I'm a citizen of a NATO country. So are my family. How many NATO citizens is it cool to murder before we stop being afraid of the consequences?
Dude, you're on reddit. Everybody here is all for a war they won't have to fight. Keyboard warriors until their mother calls them upstairs for supper :)
Yeah, real smart move buddy. What we really need at a time like this is escalation. Let's take what was essentially a miss fire and ramp up to World War III.
As a Polish guy it is nice to hear such words from Lithuania considering our different perspective on our common history
The closest way to bring 2 groups together is mutual hatred for the same thing
We're there for you, brothers.
Do we really have different perspective?
Lithuanian here.
Lithuania like tag me the fuck in
Lithuania just ripped off his shirt to reveal he is already oiled up and ready to rumble.
WE’RE BRINGING BACK THE COMMONWEALTH
Don’t they just have a little bit more than a million inhabitants and most of them are elderly?
You mean call in the Americans?
They have there hand over the rope and going crazy, the crowd getting in to it. Lithuania about to double close-line Russia and Belarus.
"You Son of a Bitch, I'm In."
Seriously snorted my drink into my nose when I read this comment. 🙃
"Put me in, Coach! Put me in!"
Lmaoo like 99% of redditors this is all talk.
Lithuania is the ballsiest country in the world. It's the honey badger of nations.
The United States is basically like, OK if all y’all really want to handle it be our guest
Soon we will see long distance systems be a part on Ukrainian arsenal.
Which realistically they probably already are. This would just give the "blessing" to use them to their full potential
Doubt it.
No they won't. I think NATO/USA is keeping ATACMS as an insurance policy to deter Putin from using nukes/dirty bombs/etc.
I like the Baltic counties commitment to NATO. They are very aware of the danger Russia poses and their willingness to defend their friends against the Russians at all costs rather heartwarming. They are all model members of NATO, in other words.
They need to be vocal and offensive. They know if Russia ever makes a move on them they'll be reliant on NATO getting fully involved. If they advocate for relaxed responses then they can expect that when Russian missiles start landing in Lithuania.
Sucks to be them. Almost every battle plan for WW3 has it happening in their countries.
My family is from Lithuania. I grew up hearing the stories of the soviets and the nazis. Fuck them mother fuckers right up their fucking asses with battery acid as lube
Also, if they don’t help when someone else is getting attacked, they won’t get help if/when they get attacked
But giving up NATO territory is definitely part of the WWIII playbook. Traditional scenarios are for instance based on the idea that Russian tank divisions would race towards the Atlantic coast to prevent American deployment. NATO picks of all logistical support from the air, and then destroys them and advances.
Huge win for American Measurements if he said inch and not centimeter.
Inch just sounds better in a threat doesn't it? Single syllable, small unit of measurement, right to the point.
He said centimeter. You can find the statement on his facebook.
Inches were used historically in Europe. Plenty of old European proverbs use antiquated units like inch, foot, ell, mile, etc.
He actually said "centimeter" in his actual speech. I don't know why translation uses inch. One inch and one centimeter is rather a huge difference wether to activate article 5 or not
This is the best comment in this post
American imperialism 😎
Lol, that's an American translator for ya
french be fuming rn.
No pls. I want metric already.
This had me laughing more then it probably should have.
lol
It's just a figure of speach using a nonsense measurement because it fits. Like, what is the length of a jiffy and in what practical sense does one apply it other than in a figure of speech. Same goes foe imperial measurements.
"we shall defend every hectare of NATO territory!"
Baltic States and Poland are ready to go and tear Russia apart. Good luck to them, if any nations know what it's like to live under the heel of Russians with too much power, it's those four countries.
^ Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova go without saying
Even Finland knows it and it’s been over 100 years since the Russian rule…
I find their responses the most telling & the strongest of indicator of “how should russia’s actions be perceived, should we appease them to avoid WW3?”, because if the BALTICS, which are as in-the-middle-of-ww3-as-possible are saying: “NO, we’d rather risk WW3 to hold the line”, how can anyone, tankie or otherwise, argue that Russia is some victim of NATO aggression, and in some way justified in their actions??
You people really forget that this is real life dont you?
Yep, it's going to be like the Avengers teaming up to mete out some justice in Russia.
what will they do? a horse charge? i give a fuck what a country with a collective 4 lightbulbs wants i’m not dying in a nuclear holocaust
Keep in mind that no matter what the US, the Baltic States, or any other nations say, the decision on whether or not to invoke Article V is up to Poland.
The response by NATO is up to all the members though, simply invoking article 5 doesnt mean immediate all-out war.
What if Poland decides to join the war on its own?
Article 5 is to defend all NATO allies and their territory. It is not meant be used to go on the offensive against a perceived threat. Although it is really ambitious as to when it can be invoked.
Poland is doing that 100/100 times
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Lithuania has gigantic balls when it comes to Russia.
Didnt they also oppose China? Man
Honestly I wouldn’t necessarily characterize it as gigantic balls. Don’t mean any offence to Lithuania, they deserve to be able to call out Russians for their current and past misdeeds.
I mean… if they’re in NATO, it’s not TOO hard to be a Chihuahua in the face of a Pitbull…
No we don’t. Petty sanctions against russian people and our president saying big statements like this when we know US is obligated to protect us is hardly big balls.
"The terrorist regime will be stopped by united force of the allies"
I could be wrong and sorry if I am but I believe it’s up to Poland at the moment so no implication of action?
Hoping this isn’t a moment that will be on a history exam one day.
Its the Cuban Missle crisis of our day. I just hope whatever the outcome society will still have the means to print books.
As long as there's still a history exam...
In Finland a military expert wonders, who could two missiles be in a wrong target at the same time.
If they were fired by the same operator, they could both have the same wrong coordinates.
Mainila 2.0 soviet bungaloo
Russia is just testing the waters……it was an honest mistake you know just to see what the reaction is.
It's like that risky text you send to the girl you're talking to.
Testing the waters for what? How would they benefit in any way at all from dragging the whole might of NATO into this, when they're already retreating?
Yes, fuck Russia faster please. Putin‘s regime has been causing trouble for 20+ years now. It‘s time for it to end.
Putin done fucked up. He needed Trump to win the Presidency again, and got fucked. He needed the Republicans to gain control of the senate again, and got fucked. Now this? How much worse can things get for this asshole? The West needs to seize all Russian assets and deport all native Russians back to their homeland. That’s how you take out Putin.
I think some people on here are downplaying this a bit.. it's not like a guy accidentally threw a baseball through your window..
I'm Russian and I want NATO to invade, this madness needs to stop and only NATO can save it. Who else? China? Please...
I am with them. You cannot be lobbing missiles into NATO territory and killing NATO citizens. It's insane.
If we don’t do something, it will continue.
Seems it was ukraine who fired the missile though
Russia REALLY doesn’t want to unleash NATO air defense. He is really not prepared for that.
There is both a part of me that wants NATO to use this as a pretext for entering the war, and a part of me terrified they might.
Some of our allies can’t wait to kill some Russians. The Baltic countries HATE those guys
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For missiles the Russians say are accurate to within 50 meters, hitting something 3 km into Poland sure would be a big oopsy daisy.
doesn't matter, it was bound to happen, they've been losing a lot of pilots , i'm just surprised it took this long.
I pray it was completely unintentional, I don’t think this would lead to war if unintentional. If it came out that it was intentional, Poland would be in a really tough place to not declare Article V.
I believe it to be intentional, with the almost perfect location and even the date of this attack with western powers focused on the g20 summit, to try to minimize the impact of the literal act of striking a NATO power. I agree with your sentiment above, that nobody wants WW3, not even the Russians. I believe they may be expecting us to act with an understanding to downplay this event to stop another world war. They would be wanting us to chalk this up as an accident. I believe they are testing waters to see what they get away with, and dropping a couple missiles right on the edge of a warzone in Ukraine, "accidentally" splashing Poland a NATO power. I believe they know what they are doing. Even if they didn't mean to do this, this MUST run a consequence.
Cant be intentional, they are not that stupid
IF it turns out that Russia actually fired this missile NATO would have to respond militarily whether it was intentional or not. Otherwise any sense of deterrence and credibility would evaporate, and we may as well disband the alliance.
How many strays until we do something about it?
The only problem is how many others will go stray as the war goes on. When will a school in Poland get hit "by accident"? I get it was probably a 1 off and Russia will try to be more careful but there will be others that hit Poland. We just need to bring this war to an end now it's getting silly.
I struggle to believe that it’s not intentional, as much as I hope it isn’t.
I feel like they would have used more missiles if this was intentional
Dude at this point Im happy that one bear didnt start ww3.
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Sounds like this is justification to sweep Ukranian air of Russian assets.
Likely
Way to go the Baltics....states fearless
I don't see Poland invoking article 5 even though they could. But Poland could engage in Ukraine by themselves without involving the rest of NATO too. Providing air defense and ground support.
I am genuinely scared. I have talked to my whole family about it and there saying we'll be fine.
Well, fuck the PiS, and fuck wars and everyone causing them, but mostly, and above all else, fuck Putin.
I though Lithuania used the metric system?
Polish Lithuanian commonwealth when?
Partition kaliningrad
did he say inch so we americans can feel like a part of the team too?
The Baltic countries are using this as an excuse to beef up their own Iron Dome through NATO.
Thanks to Steve1989 from MREInfo.com, I know for a fact Lithuania has excellent field rations.
Nice hiss
It's really scary how much war mongering is happening lately here on Reddit. I recommend you to go to
This is too fuckin real… people don’t realize the carnage that occurs even on the “winning side” in a modern conflict
actually I think a lot of people know that, most here have seen footage from Ukraine or of Russian war crimes.
They're aware of the reality of war for the citizens of Ukraine (rape, torture, murder, etc. at the hands of Russian soldiers), and hoping that other nations will bring and end to this, sooner rather than later.
Or maybe they've spent the past half year reading those posts and seeing the atrocities brought upon innocents by the Russians. And maybe they're at the breaking point and the injustice of it all makes them say stuff they might regret. But at least it's authentic.
There's videos in those subs of Russians being hit with drones when:
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Some streaming service needs to get on a TV show asap that accurately depicts this situation escalating so people can get their fix.
How did appeasement work with the Nazis? How many millions are you prepared to sacrifice to Russian agression? How many raped kids? 40 a day? 20 abducted and genocided children a day? What number is acceptable?
On the one hand, it seems foolish to allow full scale war to break out over 2 deaths, but then where's the red line of NATO? If you can forever inch forward then what's the point of NATO at all?
Whelp, whatever happens at the end of this mess, at least russia has re-strengthened the importance and public opinion of the eastern european countries. so... well done?
If someone in Russia had the balls to take Putin out World war 3 could be averted
I just pray this is not history repeating itself it was the invasion of Poland by the Germans that started World War Two 🙏🙏
Why is everyone in these comments so hungry for war with Russia? Do they not understand how nuclear wars turn out?
because they won’t be fighting
For those who don't really understand what the lithuanian president is saying, what he means by that is 'every 2.54cm of Nato territory must be defended'
okay, so lets go. The missile came form Ukraine.
Question what if what if Poland decides to fire 2 missile like either in russia bridge that Ukraine hit give the F u to Putin or hit in Ukraine land that is taken by russia to help Ukraine when pushing would russia be like I deserve that and I'm not going to attack because I dont want to go into ww3 to me it be blood for blood or 2 missiles for 2 missiles
Do you know what a sentence or period is?
Bro. Sit back, take some deep breaths, and try to relax. You sound like your head is about to explode.
I’m sorry if I get downvoted but risking World War 3 over two people killed is stupid
I agree with him and I'm totally not a war hawk.
Yes, Russia intentionally killed two farmers as part of a genius strategy.
A no fly zone should be the minimum. Russia can't handle its missiles NATO needs to police the air
That means going to war is the minimum. Which is basically the maximum.
That’s a slippery slope to thermonuclear war
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Yea seriously.
Here we fucking go boys.
Return of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth was not on my 2022 bingo card.
Is it funny to anyone else that Lithuania is measuring territory in inches?
Why is one town different than any other? Defend it all. The boarder is the red line and they crossed it
Every life too... Entering a war that will kill millions is not worth it. Negotiations should always be first, the path of non violence is better and easier to maneuver. Once you hit back ...
Burn. The. Kremlin!!!
Maybe he said 2.54 centimeters
When he speaks in inches you know what country he's trying to appeal to
Putin: “See you guys I totally told you so!! Only Nazis attack poland”
They want every inch? 🍆😩
I like his spirit but let's not let a "country" with the population of a city go starting WW3
Poland/nato has been chomping at the bit to engage Russia. Here's their reason.
Whats the poin if it means certain death for millions/billions of people?
Lithuanian Military Stirring to Rise Against Russia
Yeah it literally doesn't work if they don't do this
If I were NATO I would consider a no fly zone. No missiles, no planes no nothing.
And how do you enforce that?
I foresee Russia getting some bombs heading their way soon. So far the US has held back Ukraine, but if that little arrogant wanker is now sending missiles into NATO territory, mistake or not, the world will retaliate. The world is long past tired of Russia's bull shit. Time for Russia to personally feel the pain.
Imagine your neighbors hating you so much that they're like:
Since when do we defend ourselves in inches?? Every Centimeter counts!!
Every 2.54 Centimeters counts.
The powers have been itching for an excuse to WW3.
Russia shouldn't be giving reasons.
Just not Hawaii
If Poland calls for Article V meeting and some members doesn't show up, it's gonna be a very awkward Thanksgiving.
Why is it the small guys are ready to fucking fuck you up. Come on USA we got a pitpull called Lithuania ready to fuck shit up
Big mouth... So take a gun and go to fight... It's easy to send young people die for your ideas.
Approval of Sweden and Finland needed asap first.
So time to attack ukraine? Lol
Ok then his country can fund it instead of America.
Small Baltic nations don't get a voice
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That is NATO being involved to be fair. Supplying weapons is a big part of war efforts. lol
Poland has the right to evoke Article 5.
The event that kicks off WW3? It was the invasion of Poland in ‘39 I believe that kicked off WW2.
Here we go boys.
Simple solution.
Every inch? every centimeter...
For fucks sake step in now! Ukraine has been fighting for months. Russia will not stop going for more and more territory if you don’t stand up to them.
Can’t go for more territory if you’re losing territory daily
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What's the number, then? I mean, I'm a citizen of a NATO country. So are my family. How many NATO citizens is it cool to murder before we stop being afraid of the consequences?
Shit take dude. If this was intentional it's Russia testing NATOs commitment to action, something has to be done.
Strawman much lol?
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Dude, you're on reddit. Everybody here is all for a war they won't have to fight. Keyboard warriors until their mother calls them upstairs for supper :)
I am thinking Putin is gonna push some rocket operator out of a window soon.
That’s cool, but is Lithuania going to send troops to Poland or is he just saying that so the US will come to help
Here we go...
Here we go...
Where can I get sun block with SPF 1000?
Totally! I hope tomorrow we'll have really good news. Nato shoots down any/all Russian aircraft in Ukraine.
Why is the guy from Lithuania using inches and centimeters?
This guy should chill and let the big dogs handle this.
He’s repeating what Biden said, and his point stands. Fuck Putin.
Yes, because saber-rattling always works as a pathway to peace. And this info is def 100% legit: verified by several independent sources.
Yeah, real smart move buddy. What we really need at a time like this is escalation. Let's take what was essentially a miss fire and ramp up to World War III.
What is the benefit of wars that only reap the inflation of a global economy? Are human beings a game in the hands of war makers?
Centimeter
Funny how everyone metric till the Russian missiles start flying
This the guy that pussied out from denying Russian trains to cross his country to Kaliningrad and back?