1. my cousins bought me a rick & morty car shade and i don’t want to be pegged as That Guy™ but it’s 100 goddamn degrees and my car is an oven without an off-switch, so now i live in constant fear that people are judging me based on my car shade

  2. Bahaha that's like when I start bashing ppl but they bring up my Rick and Morty bong ....... Listen it was a GIFT I can't just get rid of it 😭😭😭

  3. I have one of those too, that I put in my Tesla just to double down on the tech bro cringe lol. Looking for tips on how to make the combo even worse — I’m thinking a super atheist bumper sticker of some kind.

  4. Rick & Morty is awesome. Who cares what they think? Just because you like the show doesn't mean you want to be Rick. Same goes for all of those other things she mentioned.

  5. The amount of people who care that you have a rick and morty sunshade is 0. Don't think Rick is a good guy and you're good. Life gets much easier when you don't care about what people think of your car shade.

  6. "My function is to keep themustycylinder from overheating, not keep themustycylinder being, like totally stoked about, like, the general vibe and stuff."

  7. I guess you can’t feel strongly about him either way. You have to be completely indifferent to Tyler to get it signed.

  8. I mean, Breaking Bad might be my favorite show. But it’s because of the writing, directing, acting and cinematography. Definitely not because I think Walt is a great guy.

  9. Every re-watch, I Like Walt less and less. Also, every re-watch I like the show more and more.

  10. Exactly this: both Clockwork Orange and Fight Club are among my favourite films, but I definitely don't identify with the main characters; they are just very well made pieces of fiction

  11. Walt is an amazing character though. A straight up villain that due to the forced perspective of cinema you can't help but root for and see things his way, despite everything being done being objectively wrong.

  12. Yeah I think there’s a difference between favourite movie/show and identifying with a character. I’d still put BB as my potential number 1 but in no way want to be Walter white. I love watching him slowly reveal the horrible person within, it’s quite a realistic take on how evil doesn’t always present itself in a cartoony obvious way and sometimes is coaxed out of somebody in unusual circumstances.

  13. Same here, Walt is a terrible person but I felt like the show did a good job of showing you that over time. Its my favorite show except for when Game of Thrones was still coming out (until season 7).

  14. Yeah you need to know why they are his favorites before they run. There are many things to appreciate in each of those not just assuming the guy may identify with problematic characters.

  15. I remember reading Catcher in the Rye in high school and enjoying it. But also, for reasons I couldn't pin down at the time, Holden was immensely frustrating to read about. It's because he's the biggest phony in the book and could not stop projecting the whole fucking time.

  16. I think that's the point. He is an insufferable teenager who's not dealing well with the death of his brother and his own past abuse. I read it for the first time while not a teenager anymore so I just felt pity.

  17. In my mind, part of the power of Catcher is the realization that the teenage experience isn’t unique to you.

  18. Weirdly, while I agree with most of the original post, I've found that people who really liked Catcher don't fit the mold of people who idolize the other media mentioned.

  19. That's the point. Holden is a broken trauma case, and he deals that with projection rather than growing up and dealing with the world as it is.

  20. I'm not especially fond of the novel, but I wonder how much its strange and not altogether positive legacy in the English-speaking world is due to it having become a de facto part of the HS curriculum for a couple decades. A lot of the intended effect seems to assume an adult reader capable of having empathy for Caulfield's vulnerability and of understanding that his facade of toughness, self-importance and world-weariness is a puerile reaction to feelings he's barely cognizant of. I certainly think some teenagers can understand that he's an emotionally unreliable narrator, but it's doing a disservice to the book to put it in front of an audience who isn't terribly more mature than him and clearly wasn't who Salinger had in mind.

  21. Holden had undiagnosed depression and PTSD (little brother died of illness, classmate killed himself), it’s sad really.

  22. What irritated me about Catcher in the Rye was reading it in a group setting. When I read it in high school, the universal group consensus for most of the book was that Holden was a badass who stuck it to the man and didn’t do what anyone told him to do. I was one of the few people who rightly pointed out he was an insecure douchebag, and it wasn’t until I’d finished reading and gone over the whole book for the essay I had to write about it that I realized I actually enjoyed reading it.

  23. You love it cuz you see yourself in Holden, and you find it frustrating because you see your worst self in him, a self you've worked really hard to improve on over the course of your life so far.

  24. I mean, to be fair, the main protagonist of Catcher in the Rye is supposed to come off like that. He's a traumatized teenager with no real support system to help him work through his pain, so it makes sense the way he'd respond to the world is to lash out.

  25. This. I always find it weird when people hang how much they like a book/play/film etc. based on how much they like the character as a person, rather than a construct. Like. I love Snape as a character construct, he's well written, he's got interesting layers, he keeps you guessing on his motivation. He's still fundamentally an evil, manipulative, Nice Guy shithead who takes pleasure in bullying students.

  26. NO!!! If it's your favorite you MUST idolize and aspire to be the main charachter. Goodfellas is one of my favorite movies. I go around whacking people DAILY.

  27. It's funny, when girls like the terrible men in shows like the vampire diaries, the originals, and negan from the walking dead its not a reflection of who they are, but when men like the characters from the stuff in the op it's a red flag.

  28. Yeah. Antiheroes have been a thing in film and literature going back forever. Not everyone likes stories with predictable character arcs and do-no-wrong, Disney heroes. To say that men who do enjoy flawed and even unlikable characters are themselves unlikeable is just such an insultingly basic and ignorant take.

  29. On the other hand, think there's a difference between saying "this is my favorite show/book" and "I empathize with the villain protagonist and want to emulate their behavior."

  30. I'd argue that there is a difference between idolizing a character and romantically fantasizing about a character

  31. Doesnt admonishment mean a disapproval so you think he’s the bad guy? Why this person using it as a synonym with admiration, or am I reading that wrong

  32. Watched the first episode, loved it. Then starting thinking about the victims. Surely their families are at least getting some sort of small compensation to relive the trauma of their loved ones murders.

  33. I woke up this morning in a cold sweat from a nightmare and instantly grabbed the notepad next to my bed. My hand was shaking and I could barely see, but I managed to get the words on paper before they disappeared like a memory I never lived. I fell back asleep and woke up later feeling as if it was any other morning. With one eye open adjusting to the sunlight, I look for my phone to check the time and that’s when I see it- “Jeffrey Dahmer Funko Pop”

  34. That is different in how heinous it is. It is entirely possible to think that a villainous or morally reprehensible figure in a fictional show is cool and to root for them, then turn off the TV, and live a good and decent life without it effecting your morality or philosophy. Admiring Dahmer is an insult to the legacy of his real victims.

  35. This was my first thought. The sheer amount of people obsessed with true crime podcasts and serial killer shows is fine but if you like saying "wubba lubba dub dub" then you are the unstable one.

  36. I think some of the best shows are about terrible people. Two of my favorite sitcoms of all time are It's Always Sunny and Malcom in the Middle. I don't think anyone who watches these shows idolizes the characters, but they can still love them.

  37. There's a reason that me, after 9 years of writing have never once tried to write a boy scout esq hero. I'm all for writing about flawed characters who try to do the right thing, but not necessarily for the right reasons.

  38. I feel like this is overly simplified, like if someone says "my favorite show is Breaking Bad" I don't think it's right to immediately imply they think Walter White is a good guy, or to insinuate that they're abusers. Obviously people like that exist but I don't think it's right to apply sweeping statements like this to some of the most popular media pieces of their time.

  39. Yeah Breaking Bad is widely regarded, by critics and fans, as one of the best TV shows of all time. It's finale broke viewing records iirc. It's probably my favourite show, if I had to pick one, just cause it's brilliantly done. Never wanted to cook meth or poison a child or abuse my wife.

  40. Seriously I could easily do this with fictional characters and media that a lot of women like. Oh you like Daenerys? Yikes you must be in to murdering innocent people 🚩. Oh you’re in to Harry Potter you mean the one where the vast majority of people are ok with slaves being a thing because they oh so conveniently like being slaves🚩. Like I get the major point because there are a lot guys who try and emulate Tyler durden and think Rick is what guys are supposed to be like. These are massively popular pieces of work so yeah you’re bound to catch a lot of weirdos with such a huge net.

  41. Also liking a character and idolizing them is not the same. I love Gregory House in the show because he is fun to watch in a fictional setting because I know the suffering he inflicts is not real but in real life I probably would want to punch him after two minutes of conversation.

  42. Fight club is my favourite movie but I can still understand the ideas it portrays, they were just shown in a super enjoyable and interesting way

  43. Fight Club is one of my favorite movies because it shows how young men can be easily radicalized by just by being invited to participate in a community. Like most of the list, it's a cautionary tale.

  44. The whole point of the movie is you can be your own worst enemy. Liking a movie with a flawed protagonist doesn't mean you want to be that protagonist.

  45. It's been my favorite movie since it came out, not because of Tyler, but because of early Narrator and Marla. That poor, struggling.. nothingness of a life was so relatable having spent large portions of my late teens homeless. That and I don't think any character has ever properly portrayed a lifetime of depression like Helene Bonham Carter did while being Marla Singer.

  46. There's an actual comic where the character Rorschach is based on, The Question, reads Watchmen and decides to act more like Rorschach.

  47. Rorschach in Snyders movie is not even that bad of a person. They cut almost everything that makes him a problematic hero from the conics. The TV show was on point by making hid legacy about white supremacy.

  48. Like Holden Caulfield, I hate that Rorschach gets glorified by shitty dudes. Rorschach is a complex and troubled character. He’s not evil (like the Comedian). He’s the perfect example of how an otherwise good person can get sucked into harmful beliefs.

  49. Guys who idolize _300_ too. Basically a whole movie about Speedo-wearing Hitler Youth who believe they are super soldiers, take matters of government into their own hands, and then die - and being glorified for it.

  50. The comments in the OP are dumb as hell honestly. Liking a story doesn't mean empathizing with a character. Such a weird take.

  51. I’d say that It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia qualifies for this with the caveat that they have to say the words “I don’t like the more recent series because they’re political”.

  52. This is so dumb. Breaking bad is my favorite show, and I fucking hate Walter White. The reason the show is amazing, is because you start out rooting for a character, and slowly realize over time how messed up and depraved they actually are. You start to root for the characters that are abused by him/trying to bring him down. Let me ask you a question. How do such bland and cookie cutter opinions do anything but kill critical thinking?

  53. No no your favorite series must be about a character you empathise with on a personal level. If you like a series for its interesting story and stunning cinematography, you're a psychopath and must be avoided at all costs.

  54. I like Fight Club as a dark comedy about consumerism and male fragility, and it’s depressing that so many people can’t imagine liking the film without idolizing Tyler.

  55. You could always…. ask the man WHY it’s his favorite show before you immediately assume the dude’s idolizing the main character. Shows like breaking bad were genuinely great shows, and you can love something for it’s narrative while understanding its characters are flawed.

  56. Yep, and part of what makes Breaking Bad so great is how it tears down its own main character, something almost no shows do. Just because you love it doesn't automatically mean you're idolizing the villain.

  57. Breaking Bad is also an interesting situation because the misinterpretation by a large portion of its fan base was SO bad that the writers started to make the show less subtle and open to interpretation to make the point clearer. In the last few episodes Walter straight up says, practically to the camera: “No, I didn’t do any of this for my family. I did terrible things because they made me feel good and talented.”

  58. I don't really think that's the case. The fact that Walt was doing it for himself had long been made very clear. At the end where he's been reduced to practically nothing, just wants to see his family one last time, and finally tells the truth serves to humanize his character more than anything.

  59. I don’t think so, I feel like that scene is more “he accepts reality for what it is, he no longer lies to himself about who he is”

  60. I didn’t see that moment as the writers having to make a worse story at all. I think Walt had bought his own lie up until a certain character’s death and finally realized that he was to blame for everything that went wrong

  61. As others said, the take established is kinda dumb. You can still have a show be your favorite show, and still realize the characters are terrible people.

  62. There's a lot of shitty fans but not everyone of those guys is oblivious. Hell Breaking Bad js my favorite show because of those reasons

  63. I LOVE fight club. But def not idolizing durden. I loved how much of an absolute mind fuck it was the first time, and then looking for all the subtle hints that the narrator was crazy on subsequent watches. Plus Helena Bonham Carter rules in that role

  64. To be fair to fight club, Tyler wasn’t the worst person in the book. Sure, he was the villain and sure idolizing him almost certainly means you missed the point but Marla was worse.

  65. Creator: I made this character to highlight the flaws with this philosophy/ideology and to present it in an engaging and interesting manner

  66. I think there’s a difference between saying “Breaking Bad is my favorite TV Show” and “Walter White is my favorite character in media”. Breaking bad is an amazing show with many amazing characters. I consider the show to be one of my favorites because of its great plot, and again, characters. But I understand Walter White is the villain and don’t admire him. I like many of the other characters more.

  67. I would say the red flag would be something like "Walter White is my role model" or "I idolize Walter White" would be red flags. Liking a villian character because they are well written or well acted doesnt make you unstable/a weirdo, thinking this way does honestly though.

  68. What a dumb post, you can’t enjoy a show if it has deeply flawed main characters? My favorite TV show is Mad Men, yet I assure you I haven’t ever cheated on a partner nor am I a degenerate alcoholic. I did run over that one executive’s foot on a lawnmower a few years ago though…

  69. What if Fight Club is one of your favorites because it calls out toxic traits and examines how mental health is seen as a stigma rather than a legitimate health concern?

  70. The assertion that guys aren’t allowed to have certain shows or movies be their favorites because they MUST be misunderstanding the premise and relating to the super obvious bad guy instead of just enjoying the medium is pretty insulting and unfair. “Did you know as a woman if you enjoyed 101 Dalmatians it’s actually because you relate to cruella and want to skin puppies??”

  71. I remember watching "Bridges of Madison County" with my then-girlfriend and watching her cry and yell for the woman to leave with Clint Eastwood's character. She also cheated on her bf before me so I didn't have high hopes of that being a successful relationship anyway.

  72. I mean, there were people saying that Scorsese movies, The Wolf of Wall Street in particular, wasn't blatantly clear enough that certain central characters were a huge pieces of shit that shouldn't be emulated.

  73. As somebody else said it’s a warning for those who genuinely can’t. The amount of idiots that really think Walt was a good guy by the end of Breaking Bad is astoundingly high

  74. I am a woman and A Clockwork Orange is a favorite of mine. More for the cinematography and social commentary. The protagonist is an absolute piece of shit and I do not admire him.

  75. Breaking Bad is a cautionary tale, it's some of the best television in the world and liking a TV show isn't a problem.... Anyone who admires Walter White is a big red flag though.

  76. If a person would write you off simply because you have the capacity to appreciate good content,

  77. I think House falls into this category as well. And maybe Sherlock? THEY SAY WHAT THEY THINK AND DON'T CARE AND THERE'S FEW REPERCUSSIONS COS THEY'RE ALWAYS RIGHT.

  78. You can like a show without idolising the main character though. Obviously house is an unethical, reckless asshole, that’s his whole character for the first few seasons I’ve watched at least. I love the show but that doesn’t mean I think I’m allowed to be an asshole if I’m right or I’m allowed to take risks if I believe in myself hard enough lmao

  79. It’s kind of the opposite for Rick. Part of the point of Rick is that he doesn’t say what he means and tries to be more of a dick than he already is because massive spoilers for the most recent seasons of Rick and Morty

  80. I like the greentext I've seen recently that explains how Sherlock (the BBC series) is written the way a stupid person thinks smart people are.

  81. I’m unashamed to say that A Clockwork Orange is my favorite Kubrick film. As someone who had friends who have been SA, I absolutely despise Alex with every fiber of my being, but I still find him such an intriguing character to analyze

  82. What’s wrong with breaking bad being someone’s favorite? I’m pretty sure a majority of people can recognize that walt is an egotistical asshole

  83. Why can't I be a fan of these shows/books/movies/whatever and also realise that the main characters are not aspirational?

  84. Honestly I think this is just a case of OP being narcissistic. People understand movies just as well as you do; it’s not like you’re some savant who understands Fight Club better than anyone else.

  85. I’m more distrustful of Catcher in the Rye haters than fans in my experience. 9 times out of 10 people hate Catcher in the Rye because they don’t see the main character for what he is, an abused troubled kid whose longing for a type of care and affection that he’s just not getting. He’s a teenager desperate to be listened to and cared for, but he’s put into an emotionally uncaring world that perceives him both as an adult and as a child. When he is perceived as an adult he is told to get over himself and grow up, but when he’s perceived as a child people refuse to listen to him and talk down to him. I find the unempathetic response that many people give, essentially “this kid has to get over himself” as exactly the attitude the book is meant to critique.

  86. American Psycho deserves to be on this list so hard. So many sigma or alpha male vids use Patrick Bateman shots so much without even considering he was a mass murdering psychopath who couldn't even understand what a Huey Lewis & The News song was about

  87. I know right? American Psycho is one of my favourite horror movies. But I don't idolize him because I understand that being a murdering psychopath is bad.

  88. Now that one is just stupid. If they're revering Patrick Bateman of all people, they clearly didn't watch the rest of the movie. Idk how you could watch him

  89. I'd add The Joker and Zack Snyder's Watchmen to the list. Not that they aren't good movies that can be enjoyed on their own terms, but if they're your favorite that's a bit weird

  90. I have a hard time with The Joker because it really is a phenomenal piece of media. Same goes for breaking bad. I absolutely LOVE these shows specifically because so much effort was put in and the end result was fantastic, but I generally avoid answering the favorite movie questions because I know how bad it looks

  91. In the particular case of Watchmen, it's also a bit off seeing as Zack Snyder's film is eclipsed in pretty much every way by the HBO series.

  92. this is such a tumblr/reddit take. people can like media without liking the characters in it. its not hard to grasp... i thought at least.

  93. Shit I’ve never though about it this way and I never knew Palahniuk was gay. I feel like that would be a major shock to 95% of the guys that love Fight Club

  94. Huh, having read some of the author's other stories I guess such a reading doesn't surprise me. It seems out of sync with some of the other heteronormative stuff in the book though.

  95. I love clock work orange. I hate the violence and hate that he gets away with everything and becomes a victim in the end. Idky like it after saying that. I think I just like the stupidity of it all.

  96. This reminds of Alan Moore's response to Watchmen fans that idolized Rorschach. "I wanted to kind of make this like, 'Yeah, this is what Batman would be in the real world'. But I had forgotten that actually to a lot of comic fans, that smelling, not having a girlfriend—these are actually kind of heroic! So actually, sort of, Rorschach became the most popular character in Watchmen. I meant him to be a bad example. But I have people come up to me in the street saying, "I am Rorschach! That is my story!' And I'll be thinking: 'Yeah, great, can you just keep away from me, never come anywhere near me again as long as I live'?"

  97. One of the more iconic lines of the 1980s is said by the villain, and is meant to highlight his villainy. "Greed, for a lack of a better word, is good." Instead business people took it as operating instructions.

  98. The same thing happened to Michael Douglas after Wall Street. Stockbrokers would come up to him on the street and say he made them feel good about their livelihood and he’d be like “I’m the bad guy!”

  99. I love a clockwork orange, it's an amazing film, and such a wonderful examination of human psychology, but are people actually out here idolizing Alex? He's so clearly the antagonist of his own story

  100. Discard nuance under the assumption someone can’t understand nuance… if you find someone who thinks life is this simple - RUN.

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