I agree this is stupid but playing devils advocate yeah people know what cigarettes do to you at this point so still going ahead and buying them is basically informed consent where you know the risks. With vapes the evidence just doesn’t exist so someone could start vaping thinking of it as a safe alternative
While I’m all for getting rid of the nicotine industry’s preposterous privilege to sell this predatory product, the fact that they are willing to so quickly ban an e-cigarette, but unwilling to do anything about the real ones……it all flows uphill.
Fuck. This got me off cigarettes when nothing else could. The ones I used to use were discontinued and then I started using these. I literally bought a new device two days ago and now it’s just trash I guess…along the others. This is shit. How are they picking just one certain company I don’t get it. I need something similar to a cigarette and most aren’t like that anymore. I just heard about Roe and this might not be as big of a deal, it just fucking sucks. I have a day or two to figure out what else is going to actually work for me so I don’t go back to cigarettes again.
I use NJOY and it works well me. The devices are $1 and the pods are affordable. I’ve been off cigs for 9 months using NJOY. And the pods are available at convenience stores like circle k and QT.
I feel this. I stopped smoking because of Juul, and then I went back when they took away mango and cucumber. Then I adjusted to mint. Then they took mint. Then I adjusted to menthol… and I hate it. Now they take the whole device. And while we’re at it-I’m a woman with a daughter and now we have to worry about having to deliver a rape or non-viable baby-maybe even due over an ectopic pregnancy?
Honestly the loon vapes aren’t bad. I used the reloaded one so you buy the pods and juice and it lasts way longer than a juul. They also have an abundance of flavors.
The same FDA who created the opioid epidemic by allowing the Sackler family to make billions off of lies about OxyContin for a decade is banning a small business from making money but continues to allow big tobacco to do whatever it wants. This country is a fucking joke.
I’d add that the DEA further created the opioid epidemic by tightening the regulations on oxy forcing addicts into unregulated chemicals like heroin and clandestine fentanyl. There was always an opioid epidemic, it just wasn’t in the suburbs.
There wasn’t a tax structure in place for cities so a push was made to eliminate them across the board. I don’t remember how much of smokes is taxes but I’d guess 92%
Maybe they would prefer people start smoking cigarettes instead. It makes me angry because I was able to quit because of Juul and the other vapes are too big with more vapor.
Parents buying their kids ecigs and the company is somehow to blame? Or am I missing something here?? I quit all nicotine a month ago, but I've literally never not been carded for a "tobacco" related product.
I used vapes to quit smoking, but I’m still actively vaping so I’m stuck in the nicotine addiction. I’m not gonna go back to smoking, so if vapes get banned then I guess I have a forced timetable to get myself un-addicted. I’m ok with that.
But don’t worry, the rat laced poison tobacco products profits are still lining the pockets of these same people voting this down. Dumb! How can you ban something (Juul) and not the PROVEN worse alternative (cigarettes)?!?!
Yeah they’re probably gonna take it to court forcing the FDA to create regulations for e-cigs more broadly. Because they’ll probably be making the case that as one brand they’re being unfairly targeted or something
It's just the first step. The government makes too much money from tobacco sales, so eventually all vaping will be banned or the industry will die from over regulation.
The reason it’s only Juul is because they are the only company that didn’t comply with one particular FDA regulation, while all the others did. And by others, I mean the nationally sold big company ones. The smaller brands that only sell in individual states are exempt.
I live in Canada and this all happened year or two ago already, here’s a little sneak peak for my American pals: - first it’s Juul specifically for some reason (maybe cause they’re most profitable), then it’s any vape juice with a flavour because kids could get there hands on it, then it’s anything you could vaporize with nicotine above a certain percentage, makes it useless for anyone actually using the thing to try and quit. The FDA wants you on the darts heavy.
Ah yes because when fruit flavors are in vapes it’s “marketing towards children” but the Smirnoff ad that’s plays all the time for fruit flavored vodka is not. These people are scummy
Curious as to why Juul specifically. Maybe it’s nicotine salt juices where as the original free base ones aren’t getting banned? Not reading the article.
Why does the FDA have jurisdiction over juuls they’re not a food or a drug (I know nicotine is a drug but juuls are not a pharmaceutical drug), shouldn’t it be the ATF or the DEA? Is the loophole that all vapes are technically classified as smoking cessation products? If anyone has insight or knowledge about this I’m curious to learn about it
So when do these start to get pulled from shelves? I work part time at a gas station and I’m not ready for the hell that will be telling everyone and their mother why we don’t have them anymore
I hate this country so much. This on the day of the reversal of Roe? Everyone should start smoking a carton a day. Fuck this country. Fuck it with a rusty pipe.
The FDA is a weapon used by big tobacco and big pharma to monopolize the industry. Disgusting animals abusing our democracy. Banning a specific brand because it hurts your sales. ban vapes in general if it’s an issue! But it’s not! So let’s specifically ban our competition !
No, nicotine is up there with alcohol and hard drugs in terms of cutting people off. You’re about to piss off a county with a large amount of anger, poverty and guns. How about let’s fucking not you dumb ass
I don’t think people realize how bad vapes can be. I think they’re a great alternative to smoking cigarettes but that doesn’t mean they’re safe. My brother used to be a respiratory therapist at a children’s hospital and they had an insane amount of teens consistently being admitted because of things relating to vapes. Your lungs don’t enjoy being boiled.
Who actually gives a fuck? I’ll import them and sell them for cost. I do not care what any branch of the government, at this point, chooses to dictate.
The black market is gong to be real and if the THC carts that actually caused most of the medical issues kids blamed on vaping was an indicator, it's going to be bad.
To hell with juul and commercial vapes. They’re all trash. The only way you know what’s in it is if you do it yourself. Juice and atomizers are easy and cheap to make.
I love how they just dunk on juul. As someone who just graduated high school and was addicted to nicotine just about the whole time, I can say I’ve never hit a juul. No kid uses them, because they’re hard to get. Just banning one vape company does nothing but pushes the addicts to other brands. You want to eliminate addiction in todays youth? Ban them all. Also I’ve quite since graduating☺️.
Yea, just get lung cancer and suck in all the chemicals known to be in regular cigarettes rather than use e-cigarettes to cut down on those chemicals and the actual smoke.
The things America bans Vs the things America doesn't
The government hates competition.
Kinder Eggs?
They ban anything that takes too long to kill people.
And people wonder why the whole world makes fun of us.
How prescient a statement given the events of today.
That’s any country. It’s far worse in many more than the US.
There’s tens of alternatives, I’m convinced our government is run by semi aware half conscious slugs.
Nah. They just don’t give a fuck about actual issues. They just do whatever they think will get them re-elected so they can continue to insider trade.
The fact that they banned one kind of e-cig when you can buy all the cancer sticks you want should tell you that.
Juu gotta' be kidding me.
Juul never believe it
No Juul, only Zuul
Juu lie to me!
“Not enough evidence of long term risk.” Right because “will give you lung cancer” is a guaranteed metric that makes normal cigarettes okay.
I agree this is stupid but playing devils advocate yeah people know what cigarettes do to you at this point so still going ahead and buying them is basically informed consent where you know the risks. With vapes the evidence just doesn’t exist so someone could start vaping thinking of it as a safe alternative
Do we have long term risk evidence of covid vaccines?
While I’m all for getting rid of the nicotine industry’s preposterous privilege to sell this predatory product, the fact that they are willing to so quickly ban an e-cigarette, but unwilling to do anything about the real ones……it all flows uphill.
Dude they apporoved the og tabbaccos companies vapes
FDA fuckin up the vibe
But normal cigarettes, binging alcohol, war adapted assault weapons and compulsive gambling are still legal… makes perfect sense
Juuling kept me from doing all those things
Assault weapons are heavily regulated to the point where they may as well be illegal. They require expensive tax stamps and whatnot.
It’s totally okay now guys, they’re lowering the nicotine levels in cigarettes
Bold move to ban the substance we’re addicted to right before the election circus😂😂
Trump and the republican-appointed FDA commissioner started this in the first place so I don’t think voting differently would affect this tbh
Fuck. This got me off cigarettes when nothing else could. The ones I used to use were discontinued and then I started using these. I literally bought a new device two days ago and now it’s just trash I guess…along the others. This is shit. How are they picking just one certain company I don’t get it. I need something similar to a cigarette and most aren’t like that anymore. I just heard about Roe and this might not be as big of a deal, it just fucking sucks. I have a day or two to figure out what else is going to actually work for me so I don’t go back to cigarettes again.
Speak your mind and don’t stop speaking it!
I use NJOY and it works well me. The devices are $1 and the pods are affordable. I’ve been off cigs for 9 months using NJOY. And the pods are available at convenience stores like circle k and QT.
I feel this. I stopped smoking because of Juul, and then I went back when they took away mango and cucumber. Then I adjusted to mint. Then they took mint. Then I adjusted to menthol… and I hate it. Now they take the whole device. And while we’re at it-I’m a woman with a daughter and now we have to worry about having to deliver a rape or non-viable baby-maybe even due over an ectopic pregnancy?
Honestly the loon vapes aren’t bad. I used the reloaded one so you buy the pods and juice and it lasts way longer than a juul. They also have an abundance of flavors.
Maybe try to get off nicotine and smoking/vaping. I know it’s an addiction, but it’s a choice not getting off of it.
Fentanyl has entered the chat
FDA is a shill corp.
The same FDA who created the opioid epidemic by allowing the Sackler family to make billions off of lies about OxyContin for a decade is banning a small business from making money but continues to allow big tobacco to do whatever it wants. This country is a fucking joke.
Juul got bought out by big tobacco a few years ago
Juul is owned by a major tobacco corporation.
I’d add that the DEA further created the opioid epidemic by tightening the regulations on oxy forcing addicts into unregulated chemicals like heroin and clandestine fentanyl. There was always an opioid epidemic, it just wasn’t in the suburbs.
small business. Are you retarded?
What lol? Juul is literally Marlboro. But yeah I mean still fuck them
Cigarettes, fine. Cheap sugary liquor, fine. Want a rifle? Fine. Have sex and film it? Fine
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FUCK YOU FDA, #FREEJUUL
There wasn’t a tax structure in place for cities so a push was made to eliminate them across the board. I don’t remember how much of smokes is taxes but I’d guess 92%
It’s even deeper than that:
Maybe they would prefer people start smoking cigarettes instead. It makes me angry because I was able to quit because of Juul and the other vapes are too big with more vapor.
They would.
Looks like Juul has some competition embedded in the FDA.
Big tobacco bout to make some big moves again
Parents buying their kids ecigs and the company is somehow to blame? Or am I missing something here?? I quit all nicotine a month ago, but I've literally never not been carded for a "tobacco" related product.
Fucking nanny state
Someone forgot to bribe the FDA
Thank god we can still buy Marlboro.
I used vapes to quit smoking, but I’m still actively vaping so I’m stuck in the nicotine addiction. I’m not gonna go back to smoking, so if vapes get banned then I guess I have a forced timetable to get myself un-addicted. I’m ok with that.
But cigarettes are still just fine lol
But don’t worry, the rat laced poison tobacco products profits are still lining the pockets of these same people voting this down. Dumb! How can you ban something (Juul) and not the PROVEN worse alternative (cigarettes)?!?!
Juuls = illegal
Hear me out…. If they can somehow attach a gun to it?…..
I was a pack a day smoker and i’m smoking a Juul right now, really helped me. Wish they would just ban cigs once and for all this is hypocritical
But AR-15s are totally fine
There’s nothing wrong with an AR-15. There’s really nothing special about it aside from the design. Pick, it’s a .223 caliber, which is small.
Ofc, AR-15 don't cause cancer
Problem isn’t guns it’s people
Yep and that’s our constitutional right, cope harder
You can't defend yourself with cigarettes/vapes
Not Kinder Eggs tho
wouldn’t juul appeal this decision allowing them to stay on the market for another year or so?
Yeah they’re probably gonna take it to court forcing the FDA to create regulations for e-cigs more broadly. Because they’ll probably be making the case that as one brand they’re being unfairly targeted or something
So what about the other brands? None of the articles I read said anything about them.
This is so obnoxious. I can’t stand dumb shit like this.
It's just the first step. The government makes too much money from tobacco sales, so eventually all vaping will be banned or the industry will die from over regulation.
The reason it’s only Juul is because they are the only company that didn’t comply with one particular FDA regulation, while all the others did. And by others, I mean the nationally sold big company ones. The smaller brands that only sell in individual states are exempt.
I live in Canada and this all happened year or two ago already, here’s a little sneak peak for my American pals: - first it’s Juul specifically for some reason (maybe cause they’re most profitable), then it’s any vape juice with a flavour because kids could get there hands on it, then it’s anything you could vaporize with nicotine above a certain percentage, makes it useless for anyone actually using the thing to try and quit. The FDA wants you on the darts heavy.
Ah yes because when fruit flavors are in vapes it’s “marketing towards children” but the Smirnoff ad that’s plays all the time for fruit flavored vodka is not. These people are scummy
Uh, you can still buy JUUL in Canada.
Mom stole my darts -
“Darts”. They said the thing from Letterkenny, guys🤡
Why not also ban video games and sugar if you’re so concerned about kids developing! lifelong addictions FDefffingA?
The Supreme Court is on it’s way to prevent this.
"After reviewing Juul v. FDA the supreme court has decided that same sex marriage is not a fundamental right"
How convenient this is for PMI’s iqos…
The Juul brand is produced by Phillip Morris. They don't care if they sell vapes instead of cigarettes. This is a net loss in sales for them.
FDA: Fuck JUUL all my homies hate JUUL
FUCK JUUL ALL MY HOMIES HATE JUUL
Wait, they actually did something? What kills more people, mentally unstable 18 year olds buying up AR-15s or smoking
Smoking lol
Lmao you can’t be serious?
Meanwhile cigarettes are still no big deal. Flavored alcohol? All good.
JUUL could have avoided this if, when they clearly noticed a huge chunk of their sales were minors addicted to nicotine, they actually did something.
You literally have to get your ID scanned to purchase these. The same isn’t true for cigarettes.
huzzah! (-ish)
Curious as to why Juul specifically. Maybe it’s nicotine salt juices where as the original free base ones aren’t getting banned? Not reading the article.
They’ll just reorganise and rebrand as Jule or Jool and be back in 2 weeks.
Any idea when this is going into effect?
I read in another article basically effective immediately. So.. if you use a Juul now is a good time to go raiding for pods.
I sold Altria at 43 dollars… I guess that’s it.
You sold at the bottom
Big tobacco at it again
Why does the FDA have jurisdiction over juuls they’re not a food or a drug (I know nicotine is a drug but juuls are not a pharmaceutical drug), shouldn’t it be the ATF or the DEA? Is the loophole that all vapes are technically classified as smoking cessation products? If anyone has insight or knowledge about this I’m curious to learn about it
Yeah, go ahead just toss that silly Constitution in the trash with every other freedom.
I’m not listening to arbitrary FDA rulings anymore. Tired of their games and the government interfering with my business
Just ban vapes altogether. Or don’t. What makes a Juul vape any worse than the other brands?
Freedom!
Look at glen humplick! He smokes cigarettes! Glen has sex all the time! SMOKE CIGARETTES!
Here in Italy they’re already banned
This is the dumbest shit
But heroin & meth,coke,etc are decriminalized?Something fishy going on here my friends
But actual cigarettes are still legal…do we live in clown city which is run by actual clowns?
Juul single-handedly ruined my life. It is responsible for almost my entire generation not being smoke - free.
As if that’s stopping vape stores
Oh yeah with all the issues in our country let’s ban fucking e cigs. This shit is deplorable.
This move makes the FDA look weak as shit. Way to single out a singular entity despite 100’s of less regulated ones still on the market. Idiots
So when do these start to get pulled from shelves? I work part time at a gas station and I’m not ready for the hell that will be telling everyone and their mother why we don’t have them anymore
All this does is making dependent people lean towards shady gas station brands.
What about the other 4000+ brands of disposable e-cigarettes that we have in every gas station now? Does government in the US even think?
I hate this country so much. This on the day of the reversal of Roe? Everyone should start smoking a carton a day. Fuck this country. Fuck it with a rusty pipe.
We are banning juul cause it causes you to smoke cigarettes. But we don’t ban cigarettes!
Why one brand!? Lol.
This seems kinda late. I’m 25, I vape, and everyone I know at this point has left the Juul behind for either a box mod vape, or a disposable vape.
How can you even ban a specific brand and not being a conflict in there?
Our democracy is fading away 🥲
Cool. Back to smoking a pack a day then! Thanks ! This is fine.
Tobacco companies spent their money wisely it seems
Now introducing Luuj ion powered liquid vaporizer. Sold at Spencers.
lil Marilo sez “so not cool”
It all started with the kids who ate tide pods. They got a little older and then get my damn Juuls taken away. Little rascals.
Whoops… (edit: I miss crème brûlée.)
Don’t you take my juul!!!!
Yessssss
I just read they don’t have to stop selling because of an appeal…. I hope that’s true
I smell Phillip Morris in this decision.
This is not so simple. The decision will likely be appealed or litigated.
“Just use Marlboros, instead! -big tobacco-hacks
The FDA is a weapon used by big tobacco and big pharma to monopolize the industry. Disgusting animals abusing our democracy. Banning a specific brand because it hurts your sales. ban vapes in general if it’s an issue! But it’s not! So let’s specifically ban our competition !
Now ban the rest. This stuff is bad news
This mindset is dumb and dangerous.
How bout we stop banning things and stop stripping away rights instead
No, nicotine is up there with alcohol and hard drugs in terms of cutting people off. You’re about to piss off a county with a large amount of anger, poverty and guns. How about let’s fucking not you dumb ass
I’m so glad they’re banning this shit
I don’t think people realize how bad vapes can be. I think they’re a great alternative to smoking cigarettes but that doesn’t mean they’re safe. My brother used to be a respiratory therapist at a children’s hospital and they had an insane amount of teens consistently being admitted because of things relating to vapes. Your lungs don’t enjoy being boiled.
But can they be gifted?
Who actually gives a fuck? I’ll import them and sell them for cost. I do not care what any branch of the government, at this point, chooses to dictate.
The black market is gong to be real and if the THC carts that actually caused most of the medical issues kids blamed on vaping was an indicator, it's going to be bad.
Usually America puts the onus one those claiming X is unsafe (and it stays in the market meanwhile). Better for their billionaire friends.
To hell with juul and commercial vapes. They’re all trash. The only way you know what’s in it is if you do it yourself. Juice and atomizers are easy and cheap to make.
Nobody wants to carry a transformer around just to get a buzz
Hooray for big government telling people how to live their lives.
Don’t kill enough kids?
I love how they just dunk on juul. As someone who just graduated high school and was addicted to nicotine just about the whole time, I can say I’ve never hit a juul. No kid uses them, because they’re hard to get. Just banning one vape company does nothing but pushes the addicts to other brands. You want to eliminate addiction in todays youth? Ban them all. Also I’ve quite since graduating☺️.
Banning doesn't do shit. They banned capes where I live, it's a bigger problem than ever.
If you’re a smoker just smoke cigarettes and stop being a pussy
You’re an idiot
Yea, just get lung cancer and suck in all the chemicals known to be in regular cigarettes rather than use e-cigarettes to cut down on those chemicals and the actual smoke.