The whole debate is useless imo. ROC Taiwan is a de facto sovereign and independent country. Independent countries have no need to declare independence again.
As a stupid foreigner my working theory is that the Taiwanese identifying themselves as Chinese have never visited and/or lived in China in the last decade.
It’s mainly family education. Their parents or grandparents mostly came from China when lost the civil war. Some family is because of the KMT education years ago.
An Irish doesn’t need to step foot on the Republic of Ireland of feel Irish. Identifying as Chinese does not necessarily mean identifying with China or an endorsement for reunion
Current day China has almost no historical ties to even a century ago. Taiwan's mixed cultural identity still contains more "Chinese" than anything after the great leap forward and cultural revolution.
As a Taiwanese that was born in the late 90’s. I have only been to China twice for short vacation. Ofc I ain’t going to identify as a Chinese. Heck I lived in Canada for five years and I still don’t really identify as a Canadian
need to be more detailed imo. I believe the result will be more interesting (or controversial) by asking are you ROChinese or Taiwanese that wants to be independent from ROC
The graph is dumbed down version of their study I believe. I want to ask you about the immature part. What makes this study immature never mind the graph?
The survey has been conducted for many years and with good sample size, so, or the sake of the questions they asked and how they asked, it is accurate.
This graph is accurate because the Taiwanese have had a separate cultural and sociopolitical identity for almost 80 years, which is different than the identity and ideals of the Chinese.
I would like to see the data divided by age and location (to see north vs south difference)
How much of a north south difference do you think there would be between younger (say 35 and younger) folks between the north and south?
it would be more of a ethnic difference. The ethnic Chinese (華人）and the austronesian will definitely have different opinion on this matter.
The whole debate is useless imo. ROC Taiwan is a de facto sovereign and independent country. Independent countries have no need to declare independence again.
Some people are calling for independence is not independence from PR China, but from RO China. They value Taiwanese history and culture, not China’s.
Or nearly all of Latin America speaking Spanish
Technically three for Belgium, there are still Germans living in Eupen
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I’m sorry, how one identifies themselves is useless?! And how would you identify yourself in this question?
From this one can clearly see taiwan is an independent sovereign country
As a stupid foreigner my working theory is that the Taiwanese identifying themselves as Chinese have never visited and/or lived in China in the last decade.
It’s mainly family education. Their parents or grandparents mostly came from China when lost the civil war. Some family is because of the KMT education years ago.
Actually many of them have, they just have only been to the better developed cities.
An Irish doesn’t need to step foot on the Republic of Ireland of feel Irish. Identifying as Chinese does not necessarily mean identifying with China or an endorsement for reunion
Current day China has almost no historical ties to even a century ago. Taiwan's mixed cultural identity still contains more "Chinese" than anything after the great leap forward and cultural revolution.
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As a Taiwanese that was born in the late 90’s. I have only been to China twice for short vacation. Ofc I ain’t going to identify as a Chinese. Heck I lived in Canada for five years and I still don’t really identify as a Canadian
As it should be!
need to be more detailed imo. I believe the result will be more interesting (or controversial) by asking are you ROChinese or Taiwanese that wants to be independent from ROC
One question from the
Such a loaded question LOL.
The reason is because the terms the used are 台灣人 and 中國人，which is more about nationality and maybe a bit of identity.
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The graph is dumbed down version of their study I believe. I want to ask you about the immature part. What makes this study immature never mind the graph?
The survey has been conducted for many years and with good sample size, so, or the sake of the questions they asked and how they asked, it is accurate.
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Yep thanks to Amerikkka
Is there an aboriginal option to this? There should be some representation of aboriginals in this poll, no?
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Watch the KMT in this sub get mad now
OFC....Do Singaporeans/Malaysians consider themselves Singaporeans/Malaysians or Chinese?
Love to see it
What about people like me who identified themselves as Formosan
Just answer Taiwanese but do it with a posh accent.
What about people
Huh? Who even says 'Formosa' in Taiwanese languages?
Assuming this is accurate, what does this say about KMT's campaign strategy going into 2024?
It’s taken circa 30 years to drop 30%… I think the trend is accelerating and in 20 majority will be Taiwanese (90%+) around 2040.
I swear we go through the same discussion every month when someone posts an update to this poll.
This graph is accurate because the Taiwanese have had a separate cultural and sociopolitical identity for almost 80 years, which is different than the identity and ideals of the Chinese.
But Taiwan is not a country, El Salvador no longer recognizes Taiwan as a country so why should someone identify as Taiwanese?
Last I checked foreign recognition is not a requirement for statehood.
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Why would we care about an undemocratic country of murderers?
The people in Taiwan just identify themselves as “poor” or “rich”, everything else is irrelevant.
I think a more pertinent question on this issue is who the land actually belongs to. Who has claim.