Donald Trump’s presidency associated with significant changes in the topography of prejudice in the United States | Researchers found that explicit racial and religious prejudice increased amongst Trump’s supporters, while prejudice decreased among those who opposed him

  1. “She (Susan Sontag) was asked what she had learned from the Holocaust, and she said that 10 percent of any population is cruel, no matter what, and that 10 percent is merciful, no matter what, and that the remaining 80 percent could be moved in either direction"

  2. Same with elections and referendums. “Nuke Russia even though they’ll nuke us and half the population will die” would get 10%+ in a referendum, and politicians would rally for it.

  3. Yep. I know Dr. Zimbardo has received criticism lately for his Standford "experiment." But he has a book, "The Lucifer Effect" and a Ted Talk that discuss this phenomenon. You have a small number of people on either extreme (maliciously evil or consistently virtuous) and the remaining 80% of us are likely to be swayed one way or the other. We all like to think we are in that 10% that says we would do the right thing, no matter what, but truth is you are probably in the 80%.

  4. Shouldn't this be attributed to Susan Sontag since she was the one who said it........................................................................................

  5. Sounds about right. Most of us do what everyone else does. The instinct to speak up at the first opportunity, to nip evil in the bud, is supremely rare.

  6. It's been a long time since I did any research in that field, but theft has a similar distribution. I'm certain I'm off by some points, but employees stealing (either direct or through falsification) was similar. About 12% would attempt to steal regardless. 10% wouldn't ever, even though they knew (assumed) there would be no chance of repercussions and were practically set up to do it. And the rest are behaviors guided by social expectations, economic pressures, and the expectation that a) they won't get caught, and b) if they do, they'll be validated for their actions.

  7. "Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland" is a book about a regular (non-Nazi) police force pushed into committing terrible atrocities in WWII. The stories in the book play out exactly like what you're saying.

  8. If someone feels inclined to go past the paywall and provide a summary of how they measured things, that'd be awesome of you.

  9. I tried to get in with my university but it’s not one of the ones they give access too. If any of you guys still have a university login that they accept you could also do that.

  10. If anyone does wish to read the questionnaire, don't be turned off by the 92 pages. It's more accurately maybe about 15-20 pages of unique questions with lots of repeat copies. But you'll need to scroll through it all to discover the various unique parts.

  11. When every major police union supported an openly criminal candidate, the system may have a corruption problem. Thank goodness there's no further evidence for police disregard for the rule of law, because then I'd really start to worry.

  12. The same cops that killed an unarmed black man who was handcuffed, pinned laying on his stomach. Thanks for making the point about Trump supporters.

  13. It turns out that the police forces that used to be used to catch runaway slaves are still down for burning crosses.

  14. Out of interest (non American here) - do police unions & law enforcement historically back republican candidates or was this an anomaly?

  15. Yet, people still think that cops can't be prejudiced. I didn't know all major police unions endorsed Trump. That's frightening.

  16. “Two studies have found that at least 40 percent of police officer families experience domestic violence”

  17. Definitely a symptom. The Tea Party happened way before Trump and was pretty much the basis of his platform.

  18. He's both. All those racist sentiments were already there. He just made it ok to be more open about it. When your own president is openly racist, you feel more comfortable with voicing your own prejudices.

  19. A corrupt political system that leaves far too many with far too little created a fertile ground for an outsider to come in and claim they were going to blow up that system.

  20. I watched a family member who was very right wing, like he founded the federalist society club at his college, go from that position to now working to defeat the GOP at all costs. The Republican Party chose bigotry, misogyny and hate over democracy. They’ve down embraced a crime syndicate and cling to it, inciting such ugly behavior from their remaining die hards that their voters now resemble a KKk rally sans hoods.

  21. My mom is the same as you. She's still right leaning but considers herself independent with a high conservative lean. She absolutely hates what the republicans did and continue to do.

  22. The first finding doesn’t really surprise me but the second finding is interesting. Seems to suggest that people whom do have some implicit biases or who were mildly prejudiced saw their internalized prejudiced reflected outwardly by or put into stark relief by the Trump administration and did some self-evaluation. Suggests that outside the extreme edges, people can adjust their biases/prejudices and that people who may have been previously passive in regards to civil rights may have been moved to become more engaged as a result of just how crass and awful the Trump world is.

  23. This has always been the value in pointing out prejudice, including subconscious stuff. Some people take offense and double down, but plenty of others come to a realization of their unintended issues.

  24. I'm pretty much the poster boy for that. Grew up in a "racist" household. My parents and grandparents weren't burning crosses but they weren't exactly marching for civil rights. We had black and hispanic family friends but it was because they were one of the good ones. It's weird growing up with that type of ingrained prejudice and I don't think it was Trump in particular that made it stand out, but he's surely their mascot.

  25. There’s conservatives making ads invoking MLK as if he’s their hero/creation and openly arguing with his daughter on Twitter about what her father REALLY stood for……

  26. Dead people you can claim agree with you are more useful props than living human rights advocates who will denounce basically every thing you have ever voted on.

  27. I mean it makes sense when you consider most conservatives' world view. It's very tribalistic. You're either in the group or you are out of the group and the democrat or "liberal" has become the out group. I mean consider the symbolism of the Republican party -- they like to think they own:

  28. Prejudice a living metric, not a milestone. Some people inspire their followers to increase it because it’s the only way they can justify themselves.

  29. I wonder if the real catalyst of this change, came from Obama’s presidency? I imagine that made a lot of already prejudiced people pretty aligned come the end of Obama’s terms.

  30. This is exactly how I feel. I’m not sure if I’m a left-leaning hippie or i just dont want people to starve to death or die because they don’t have medical care.

  31. It's to the point I don't want to vote for any Republican no matter policy because you never know if they are one that will change their morals at the drop of a dime.

  32. I went from lookin like James Franco and talking about responsible gun ownership to a trans girl who wants to make billionaire sauté; society and social discourse sure have changed a lot in the last decade

  33. Whilst it's great that data can be used to corroborate the claims that fascism and hate-rhetoric is on the rise across the world, I very much doubt this could be used to try and pull back some of those who are falling down this rabbit hole of this evil. It seems, to me now at least, people amongst both the extreme political left and the right (but particularly and mostly the right) like to ignore evidence-based reasoning and rational discussion in favour of whatever perceived reality they have chosen to concoct for themselves.

  34. Saw this starting to happen after 9/11 but people thought I was crazy. It's been a ling time coming so your point about people actually believing the lies makes absolute sense to me. And the active destruction of American education doesn't help matters, either.

  35. What disturbs me about the decline of rationality in politics is that a crucial change from democracy to autocracy could happen very quickly or it could happen incrementally, but if it's happening incrementally, we're well on our way. Declines in party cooperation, open talk of defying the system if it doesn't go someone's way electorally (January 6th; seeking to overturn election results), increased gerrymandering hollowing out moderate representation in Congress, blatantly using political rules to get one's way irrespective of norms (McConnell and the Supreme Court), and the sheer amount of misinformation among the general public.

  36. as a liberal, i think it's kind of ridiculous to suggest that Trump MADE people racist. I think it's more that Trump emboldened fringe opinions that made it feel safe for those ideas to come back to light.

  37. I think a lot of liberals and progressives knew they weren't racist but saw Trump and his goons and decided to get more edicated on the race topic. I saw lots of people do this, especially during the BLM protests. My wife is from Iran and never took race issues very seriously but after Trump she started to learn more about her own racial biasses. We read lots of books to educate ourselves and shared them with our friend group. So yes, it did indeed happen on the varying degrees.

  38. I think a lot of people - a lot of democrats included - were under the misconception that racism was dead or no longer a problem. Maybe people became more outspoken about racism in the face of that glaring falsehood.

  39. It could be both that people became more openly racist / antiracist and that that people's views shifted in response to who they supported or didn't support.

  40. One thing I noticed about Trumps presidency is that he made people crazy. Both sides of the aisle, love him or hate him, people got whipped up into a frenzy about everything he said and did.

  41. Going by what I saw happen in my family: I think they had latent attitudes that pre-trump they would have caught themselves thinking and then have thought "no, that's wrong. I shouldn't be thinking/saying that". Particularly the older members of my family.

  42. Decrease of racial prejudice can't be disentangled from the George Floyd protests and lots of people getting better educated about race with BLM.

  43. The racists were already there, they just not had a platform to speak on because they had a leader that reflected their ideals. As for the anti-racists, it felt to me like it was less about them wanting to actually come out and condemn racism because they saw it getting worse, and more about them wanting to not be lumped in with the racists. Like a “well I don’t want people to think that I’m racist like those people, so I’m going to make sure people know that I’m not!” So then they slap BLM in their bio and retweet some celebrities that are calling out racists and they call it a day.

  44. speaking for myself i learned a LOT about racism during his presidency and the blm protests. It kind of brought a lot of the quiet parts out into the open and made it almost impossible to avoid or ignore.

  45. And he has an excellent chance at getting re- elected which tells you how fucked up a huge part of this country is.

  46. Upon examination of the actual survey they used, it is extremely misleading and uninformative. It asks a lot of religious questions, like whether or not Islam is old/primitive compared to Christianity. Further, it asks opinions on immigration, which is a social discussion not related to prejudice, instead safety, job security, and ability to accommodate immigrants. The surveyors are obviously biased and the questionnaire presents faulty data production. Not a reputable study.

  47. I hate it when the exact extent of the differences in numbers aren't mentioned. And also opposing Trump doesn't necessarily mean being a good person.

  48. This article is nothing but a social reconstruction of political lies wherein the left is willing to attempt to devalue science for their own political purposes. Every credited name on the piece should be embarrassed.

  49. So what were the questions? What is this rhetoric they mention? Sounds to me that they just arbitrarily equated prejudice with trump policies and asked people if they support trump policies.

  50. I feal that people who hate felt emboldened to come out and say it, while people who were already less "ist" realised that we all need to work together.

  51. The sooner both the left and the right realize that it is not the people that got us into this big mess, it was the politicians from both sides of the aisle that divided us and made us feel the way we feel about each other. Governments don’t like a free people. All the people want to do is earn a living, come home to their families and be at peace with each other and be free. I think that’s what people all over the world want; just to be at peace with each other in the world. But it seems like every time a government gets involved, there is war and more war and discontentment and the people end up suffering while the politicians and their lobbyists/benefactors get rich.

  52. This is politics, not scholarship..That study was paid for by the Democracy Fund Voter Study Group, a project of liberal EBay founder Pierre Omidyar, best known for creating several phony “GOP” groups “Republicans for the Rule of Law” “Republican Voters Against Trump” & “ Republicans for Voting Rights” All of these groups are fronted by washed up 1980s Republicans paid to serve on the boards of these Democrat sock puppets…

  53. I've often said that the biggest drive behind people voting for trump and sticking to him is racism. We had a good streak going where the country felt less racist at the surface, not to say anything to the undercurrents. But like if you had a certain kind of uncle, he probably was brow beaten into being less racist openly before trump.

  54. That was his whole philosophy. Accentuate differences, divide everyone into us vs them. Then enjoy the fighting. A truly terrible person.

  55. Yeah, I want to know what counts as explicit racial prejudice for this study because it became vogue to make comments against white people because trump was apparently the avatar for an entire race…

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