are there any legit reasons to have a gun registry list?

  1. It'll only work if the owner has the gun registered to himself, he uses it to commit the murder, and the cops find the gun. Again, I'm not for a registry, I'm just showing hoe absurd and rare any positives could be

  2. In a truly magical world, we wouldn't need government. We'll just be one big happy family taking good care of each other.

  3. So in the impossible chance of a perfectly benevolent and government, they know what we all have, what we are lacking and then would provide us with all that we need so we can all be well regulated(well equipped to all of you who don't know what that means).

  4. If I’m not mistaken, the majority of homicides are either gang related (and thus committed with stolen weapons), or family. So no, a registry isn’t even going to help solve murders either.

  5. I know that they do. I'm trying to stretch my imagination to think of what ir any positive could be

  6. Really it would be great if everyone did everything honestly and legally but if that happened it would defeat the purpose of needing a registry in the first place. That is of course unless people are lying about why they want it in the first place.

  7. No, no, and hell NO! and btw, your example isn't exactly correct. They would have to have ballistic of every gun on file for the "murdered person found" scenario. So get a new barrel gonna need to send ballistic data in for updated registration. Also, what about shotguns? Or knifes? Or bats? Or ah cars? Can you see where this would going?

  8. I know nt scenario would happen extremely rarely. Maybe a handful of times per year. I'm trying to stretch my imagination to think of any possible reason someone may want a registry implemented. I've heard some situations where a registry would be beneficial, but obviously it's not worth it

  9. Why not just make GPS trackers mandatorily embedded in everyone. That way if you stab, strangle, poison, etc someone to death we can still solve all of those homicides as well.

  10. Obviously I'm not in favour of a gun registry list but in 1982 during the Falkland's conflict supposedly the MOD contacted everyone with a particular kind of magazine that they required

  11. The only positive is theft. If EVERY gun is registered, all serial numbers are recorded and it's easy for police/pawn shops to identify stolen firearms. People report firearms stolen all of the time but without the serial, it's impossible to know for sure whether or not a gun is yours, especially if it's older/pre-NICS.

  12. Be creative, there is at least 4 I've heard so far. None of these make it worth having a registry, but that goes without saying. 1 is if a gun owner has his gun registered to himself, he uses a gun to commit a homicide, never takes off the serial number, and the police find said gun. then they can use it to find who committed the murder. this type of murder is only going to happen maybe 3 times a year and is not good enough to have a registry. 2 is if your gun is stolen you have a small chance of getting it returned if the serial number isnt removed and the police find it. again, its very rare that happens and is still not a good enough reason to have a registry. 3 is if in shipping the gun and all paperwork associated with the shipping and purchase magically disappear, you could get the company to get you a new one because you could use the registry as proof. i could see that happening maybe once a century. 4 is you can use it as toilet paper in a pinch

  13. There’s only one legitimate reason to have a gun registry list: in case you’re all out of toilet paper and need something to wipe your ass. And even then, it’s not a good reason because you could probably wipe your ass with a list of congressional members instead.

  14. That makes 4 reasons I've heard lol. They all require magic to list all the guns in the country anyhow

  15. A list, record, or registry of legally owned firearms or law-abiding firearm owners is not a law enforcement tool and can become an instrument for profiling, harassing, or abusing law-abiding citizens based on their choice to own a firearm and exercise their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the United States Constitution. Further, such a list, record, or registry has the potential to fall into the wrong hands and become a shopping list for thieves.

  16. "That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved." -- Ben Fuck You Franklin (look that shit up, he's paraphrasing)

  17. Bro, I'll say it once and I'll say it a billion times, I do not want a registry. They are a horrible idea. I k ow it is in no way shape or form wotht the negatives, I just wanted to know if someone could come up with a y possible positive that could come form a registry. In no way shape or form did I ever say that it is worth it. In my scenario it only works if the gun is registered to the owner, the owner uses his gun in a murder, and said gun is found by the police. It would be beneficial because it could help them find the person who commited the gun a little bit faster. Again, it is still miles upon miles away from making a gun buyback worth it

  18. I completely agree it would be used for vile and evil purposes no matter how few benefits may occur

  19. I can think of only 3 possible scenarios people could use to defend a registry, and all are very unlikely

  20. so far ive counted 3 scenarios that are comically unlikely where a registry may be beneficial with an infinite amount of reasons one will do harm

  21. oh exactly it would take magic to make one lol. even if it would to happen, i can think of maybe 3 extremely specific and very unlikely situations that may be helped by a registry

  22. I know all too well that it is going to be absolute hell if a registry is made. i am not trying to argue for one. i am trying to find the very few possible examples where an individual may be helped. so far i count three scenarios. 1 is if a gun owner has his gun registered to himself, he uses a gun to commit a homicide, never takes off the serial number, and the police find said gun. then they can use it to find who committed the murder. this type of murder is only going to happen maybe 3 times a year and is not good enough to have a registry. 2 is if your gun is stolen you have a small chance of getting it returned if the serial number isnt removed and the police find it. again, its very rare that happens and is still not a good enough reason to have a registry. the third is if in shipping the gun and all paperwork associated with the shipping and purchase magically disappear, you could get the company to get you a new one because you could use the registry as proof. i could see that happening maybe once a century.

  23. There is literally a single legit reason. Generally, most people do not take the time to write down their serial numbers.

  24. exactly this. a registry has a very small number of benefits that people can say it could accomplish. but again it would help a few people, so i would be for one if it could somehow always be out of the hands of anyone in government at all times.

  25. my specific scenario ( gun was registered by owner, owner used gun, police found gun) may only happen 1 in every thousand homicides. the only way it would help is in finding the person who committed the murder. i know that if a registry was brought about it would ( and maybe should) cause a civil war. so far i can only think of 3 scenarios where it would help people, resulting in maybe a dozen people being benefited by a registry

  26. Not when there are Second and Fourth Amendments. IMO no registry could possibly be legitimate without Amending the constitution, but I believe the specific law prohibiting a registry currently is the FOPA

  27. I know it would (maybe even should) cause a civil war if one was implemented. I can think of 3 very specific scenarios where a gun registry could be beneficial leading to maybe a dozen people being helped by it. That's all I got

  28. Literally the only thing I could think of is if it got lost in shipping, you shipped it in the original case (so no S/N at home), had zero documentation of the S/N, FedEx destroyed the entirety of the shipping package and had no records regarding the now-destroyed package, and the thieves at FedEx didn't get to it yet.

  29. I know of those blatant and certain negatives. We all do. I'm asking is if during the apocalypse that would occur, is there any scenario that you could look at in a vaccum and say a registry helped in this very small and very specific example

  30. There may be 1 or 2 homicides that get solved faster and maybe a dozen stolen guns that get returned to their owners if a registry was implemented, but that's about all I can think of. Definitely not worth it

  31. Well, yes and no. From a nanny state benevolent tyranny standpoint of course there could be. You've got some neat trivia hanging around at your disposal to do whatever you want with. But from an objective practical standpoint, no. Not even from a "shall not be infringed" standpoint. There is just no practical purpose for one.

  32. the scenario i gave only works if the owner of the firearm had it registed to themselves, used it to commit the gun, the police find the gun, and the serial number is still on the gun. i can only seeing this happening maybe a dozen times a year tho.

  33. No good reason at all minus maybe a personal record of sale and serial numbers if your gun does get stolen to help get it back but that should be a personal done thing. Really all gun crimes are done with illegal or stolen guns minus domestic violence or murder of a family member or friend of which those are the easier ones to solve

  34. i am not saying it would justify a registry, but the thing is that in this example I gave, itll help catch the murderer

  35. i dont think its fair to say there are absolutely no benefits that could come of it. i want it to be BLATANTLY CLEAR that i know that the negatives outweigh any potential positives, but that doesnt mean that there is zero positives. one benefit is recovery of stolen property or solving some homicides. I am well aware of the negatives of a registry. they outweigh the benefits i mentioned, but i wanted to know if there can in any way be more benefits than these two. i ask this purely out of curiosity.

  36. Recovery of stolen goods. Of course, if you have your own personal paper trail, you can always give that over after it’s stolen.

  37. Do you recall the recent video of the ATF harassing a gun owner, on their front porch, without a warrant, about verifying two recent purchases they had made? This was because the owner had purchased two guns at once. Could you imagine if not only the ATF, but other federal / LE agencies were able to enter your name into a database and see the amount or type of firearms registered to you???

  38. In CA, LEO’s can search for firearms registered to by name and birthdate. Search runs through AFS (automated firearms system). Gives you the brand, caliber, and barrel length.

  39. again i dont personally want one, but what i wanted to ask is that if we ignore all the massive negatives, can you think of any single benefit that could come from having a registry

  40. i know there should never be a registry put into place for a massive variety of reasons, but you in honesty cannot think of one that may be potentially positive? again, there should never be a registry, i am only asking out of curiosity

  41. Because criminals go to the local gun shop and do all the paperwork so they know who owns the gun. No, they buy them on the black market, no registration, no paperwork nothing. There won't be any way to trace anything back to them.

  42. They just made a law where if you have a delay like even a small delay local law enforcement has to start a investigation into you man what in the halibut I always have a 1 day delay for some reason

  43. i do not want one put in place, I just wanted to know if there were any benifits people could come up with. the downsides of a registry vastly outweigh any benefits

  44. Not to mention the inevitable data dump that would happen. Letting everyone know who has what guns and where they live. It’s a robbers dream come true! Looking at you California with your ccw data “leak”

  45. i know it does, but of you forget about the negatives for the sake of the question, can you imagine a single positive? again, i am still against a registry

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