Seriously - what the provincial government is (trying... most likely gonna succeed) to do is pretty scary. Legislatively removing a labour union's right to strike. And minimizing every potential challenge, review and check and balance to the legislative process to ram it through. That's very concerning.
There is many rights in the charter that cover the right to strike but our emperor Ford has decided he’s gonna use the nonwithstanding clause to force his contract on them.
The even more cruel part is the fine attached for noncompliance - a fine so disproportionately high that, if actually levied, is easily the largest fine in Canadian history.
Genuine question: How do I help the strikers on Friday? I’m just a childless IT consultant who works from home, but I support their position and want to help them
The one I know just grumbled that teachers make too much money as it is and something about entitlement. I can’t waste another afternoon trying to explain simple facts to this guy. He doesn’t listen anyway.
Right? They whined the loudest about school closures because they hate their kids. They don't care if the workers are paid well they just don't want to have to deal with their own children
I've already got some wackjob in a facebook group trying to twist this to be about how aweful the lockdowns were and how they shouldn't have kept our kids out of school. I rolled my eyes so hard I think I saw my brain.
Any member if the "Freedom Convoy" is an idiot and should be hiding in shame. These ignorant, uneducated people only care about themselves. They didn't care about killing you and your familly by spreading covid. They only cared about being inconviniendced for a few months.
I’m sure there will be a few members of CUPE that were at the freedom convoy. I’m in a component of Nupge and personally know several of our members went and supported the freedom protests.
Yes, I will be supporting CUPE, even though they did not support me. An attack on one person's or groups right is an attack on the rights and freedoms of us all.
The convoy was about vaccine mandates and truckers being mad about losing their jobs because of them. That's a pretty different situation to the current one.
Most of the people there were not truckers. They used truckers to cover up what it was really about. I mean the convoy organizers were trying to get Trudeau to step down
And before they say "I don't care about unions or labour rights" right before queuing up for some kind of comment about communism... Quebec just next door used the same law (Notwithstanding) to suspend the individual Section 2 Charter rights of Canadians to intrude into their lives. Notwithstanding can be used to trample all over our Charter rights.
The thing is, is that most of the people that are "truckers" would swallow their pride and not mistreat the other camp if they needed help. Because most were christian.
Anyone who supports CUPE should’ve supported the convoy. This mess we are in now is a direct result of the practices and policies many of you cheered when it was the “others” who suffered. Well now look what y’all did. You cheered government overreach when it wasn’t you. Well now it is. You reap what you sow.
You mean the folks who gave Dougie and the Ottawa mayor a pass, and ignored that they were the ones who asked for the special powers to remove the protesters?
Amazing watching people ITT who say they do support both sides gets downvoted simply because people that means they also once supported freedom convoy.
I hope you do realize that your unbridled support of previous draconian actions against others you deemed below you set the stage for this. The rules of the game have changed.
Oh you’re one of those “my life sucks and I’m not willing to do anything about it, so everyone’s life has to suck too”. Well don’t worry, if the conservatives effectively end the right to strike, this whole province is going to be even further in the shitter.
Yes tell that to the teachers union ! And why come to a free country if you don't like it when people stand up for their own freedom? Just because other countries suck doesn't mean we should lower our standards or should become complacent when the government tramples on our rights
So you claim they were Nazis and fascists but in order to be in your good graces they need to stand beside you....riiiiiiiiight...this post is stupid as F...they stood up for nurses losing their jobs and what did you do? Fucking nothing. These support workers deserve a raise no doubt but you burnt the bridge a long time ago for people banding together for a common reason
Didn't you guys chase them out of town and ridicule them at every chance. Now you want them to show up and rally for your cause when you told them rallying for their cause was deplorable and called them freedumb...would not even hear out reasonable people who were supporting that cause for valid reasons. The reality is there are "freedumb" people supporting the CUPE. Call me one of them. But acting like discourse in this country is possible or advocating for yourself in this polarized shitshow of a country is possible is a joke. The reality is making a post like this only aims to antagonize people who supported that movement more instead of focusing on positively supporting the CUPE movement without more divisive rhettoric
If the government really wants to do things this way, CUPE should have a mass resignation letter on the governments desk by Monday. There is no point in having this job or a union with no power.
I already see facebook posts about how this is 'totally different' and how Ford is just invoking the NWSC to 'make sure kids to go school' and 'teachers unions do this all the time' and 'stop trying to use the kids as shields.'
Given how warm and welcoming this community has been to them for their protest, I don’t think anyone here should expect reciprocity. Reddit Canadians have demonized the convoy protestors in an abhorrent way, and frankly, you are doing so again. You know they won’t show up in masses (many were from AB) and you are trying to discredit them even now by suggesting their absence defines their protest as weak.
I get the sentiment of the post’s title. But please don’t encourage convoy members to attach their cart to this horse… they’ll cover it in signs and agendas which will delegitimize this strike. I know you’re being somewhat sarcastic, but remember who you’re dealing with.
Please. They won't show up. Any of them. From their perspective, this is a lefty-commie-crybaby-meeting-of-coddled-libs.Those ignorant, racist, fascist fucks won't be anywhere near this. The irony of 'freedom protesters' doing nothing while actual freedoms are taken away is thick.
Maybe when we all get that fat 10+% raise, unheard of in that industry and many others. Wages rarely increase by that much for the average worker, after they already undermined medium wage workers by raising minimum
What if it doesn’t affect their freedoms. Same way you didn’t defend peoples freedoms when they were forced locked down and had their businesses shut down because you didn’t care about those stuff.
OR the vaccine mandates (or whatever it is the freedom convoy was protesting) weren’t actually a volatile of charter rights - unlike what Ford is doing to edu workers in Ontario.
Why do we need to bargin so hard for raises? Who and why, printed all this money to cause the inflation? Fk off with the guilt trips. It's as if saying," hey you made a difference for your causes", now come do the same for us even though we treating you like terrorists for protesting. Just fking wow.
Cupe strikes every time they re bargain? I was in durham region when there were no school sports, music drama clubs, any kind of activities for 4 years time (entirety of highschool) when the teachers were on a protest strike. I havent been able to drum up much if any sympathy for them since then. Just seems the rest of us are held hostage again and again because they cant figure their shit out at the bargainning table
I’m not going to picket but I support anyone who wants to walk out. If they all walk out and refuse to come back then the government has no choice but to negotiate despite the not withstanding clause.
Seriously - what the provincial government is (trying... most likely gonna succeed) to do is pretty scary. Legislatively removing a labour union's right to strike. And minimizing every potential challenge, review and check and balance to the legislative process to ram it through. That's very concerning.
There is many rights in the charter that cover the right to strike but our emperor Ford has decided he’s gonna use the nonwithstanding clause to force his contract on them.
The even more cruel part is the fine attached for noncompliance - a fine so disproportionately high that, if actually levied, is easily the largest fine in Canadian history.
This is a way more valid reason to have a freedom convoy over fight for the poor 10% of truckers that wont get vaccinated
THEIR freedom. Not yours
Freedom from consequences.
Our freedom
Genuine question: How do I help the strikers on Friday? I’m just a childless IT consultant who works from home, but I support their position and want to help them
Call Ford (
Email your MPP
That’s a great question. I can look into it.
Go to a rally.
https://cupe.on.ca/dontbeabully/
Show up at MPP office ready to support.
I have emailed my MPPs using this.
Oh, im sure theyre already halfway to ottawa with their fuck trudeau flags to demand he fix the mess he made as we speak.
Ford's taking away provincial workers' right to strike?
The one I know just grumbled that teachers make too much money as it is and something about entitlement. I can’t waste another afternoon trying to explain simple facts to this guy. He doesn’t listen anyway.
Highly unlikely. They will be home screaming at their 5+ kids who are having to stay home from school.
Brave of you to assume they send their kids to school.
Right? They whined the loudest about school closures because they hate their kids. They don't care if the workers are paid well they just don't want to have to deal with their own children
Fuck that. I guarantee if they show up, they will try to morph it into some anti-vaxxer campaign.
Seriously. I get the point OP's making, but yeah... let's not muddy the waters by risking association with fringe lunacy.
I've already got some wackjob in a facebook group trying to twist this to be about how aweful the lockdowns were and how they shouldn't have kept our kids out of school. I rolled my eyes so hard I think I saw my brain.
I was going to say the same thing, but use "white supremacist" and "fascist" instead of "anti-vaxxer."
You're at 69 doots, I don't want to ruin it
You are 100% correct.
As a CUPE member, no thank you. They can keep to themselves. We do not want their support.
I mean, I would share your position. I was just trying to point out a way that they could be ideologically consistent.
That's not how those freedom convoyers work, lol. They probably agree with Ford.
Freedumbies only hate Trudeau. It's selective indignation.
Oh dear lord I'm not sure I want that.
Any member if the "Freedom Convoy" is an idiot and should be hiding in shame. These ignorant, uneducated people only care about themselves. They didn't care about killing you and your familly by spreading covid. They only cared about being inconviniendced for a few months.
Their convoy was very obviously never really about rights being violated or government overreach. This situation is concrete proof of that.
Would be the closest any of them have been to a school in their entire lives.
In fairness, that's only because of the restraining order...
Poilievre approves so they're fine with it.
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I’m sure there will be a few members of CUPE that were at the freedom convoy. I’m in a component of Nupge and personally know several of our members went and supported the freedom protests.
Looooool
The Caillou Convoy was never about freedom or truckers.
Wasn't one of the terms of their bail that if they got involved in anymore protests they'd go back to jail?
They only care about vaccines and fucking Trudeau, sorry.
This government hates women and hates teachers even more.
Spoiler. They don’t care cause they’re actually just selfish cowards.
Yes, I will be supporting CUPE, even though they did not support me. An attack on one person's or groups right is an attack on the rights and freedoms of us all.
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I imagine there are going to be picketers. Not sure about protests. I’m sure any CUPE members would appreciate any support you can give.
Any member of the convoy is a cunt
The convoy was about vaccine mandates and truckers being mad about losing their jobs because of them. That's a pretty different situation to the current one.
The overlap is government overreach.
Not true at all.
Most of the people there were not truckers. They used truckers to cover up what it was really about. I mean the convoy organizers were trying to get Trudeau to step down
And before they say "I don't care about unions or labour rights" right before queuing up for some kind of comment about communism... Quebec just next door used the same law (Notwithstanding) to suspend the individual Section 2 Charter rights of Canadians to intrude into their lives. Notwithstanding can be used to trample all over our Charter rights.
I saw a good suggestion for amending the NWC. If a Premier uses it, they have to step down.
I agree with your concerns in this case but the issue is more complicated than you’re making it out to be.
Yes! Agreed!
The thing is, is that most of the people that are "truckers" would swallow their pride and not mistreat the other camp if they needed help. Because most were christian.
Very accurate.
I may not agree with your points fully, but I appreciate you taking the time to consider it.
One of these things is not like the other.....
they’ll be busy driving around in their pickup trucks flying flags cutting off people
I've been trolled by them already. We leftist bleeding hearts now need the convoy to come and save them.
I agree. Freedom doesn't take sides.
Fat fucking chance!
Anyone who supports CUPE should’ve supported the convoy. This mess we are in now is a direct result of the practices and policies many of you cheered when it was the “others” who suffered. Well now look what y’all did. You cheered government overreach when it wasn’t you. Well now it is. You reap what you sow.
I like the comparison that there is no difference between this protest and the truckers protest.
You heard there was a pandemic though, right?
Wouldn’t it work both ways then? If you see a parallel between the situations shouldn’t everyone who is supporting the CUPE also support the convoy?
Lol wat.
But they'll be the ones driving by the picket lines in their trucks giving "GREEDY TEACHERS" the finger....
Well when they were protesting, did you go out and support them or did you tell them to fuck off?
If all A are B, not all B have to be A.
Who?
They won't be, they are partisan as can be.
They to busy tryn get square pegs thru round holes.
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Freedom convoy is Nazi scum and should leave if they don't like it... Why isn't the freedom convoy more vocal in supporting us...
The freedom convoy was about mandates you dumb dumb head. As in freedom of choice. I am sure some of them are also supporting this.
Lol this is hilarious. Were you in ottawa w them? If not, this post makes no sense.
Dude, I can’t be held responsible for your level of reading comprehension.
You mean the folks who gave Dougie and the Ottawa mayor a pass, and ignored that they were the ones who asked for the special powers to remove the protesters?
Lol at all the comments that basically say “we want support, just not their support”. I’m pretty sure
So now the “freedom convoy” ppl are wanted….
Amazing watching people ITT who say they do support both sides gets downvoted simply because people that means they also once supported freedom convoy.
Can this argument be anymore disingenuous? This sub is messed up.
How is it disingenuous?
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When did I do that?
I hope you do realize that your unbridled support of previous draconian actions against others you deemed below you set the stage for this. The rules of the game have changed.
Have the rules of shaping tin foil changed comrade?
I...don't think that's how that works. That's like saying "Anybody who cares about picketing on Friday, they better have been part of the convoy!".
Haha it's not the protesting, it's the FREEDOM.
Like I said to someone else, if all A are B, it doesn’t mean all B are A.
Right. One group cares about human rights. One group cares about white rights
Bahahahhahaa fuck the school boards and the union that serve them.
Oh you’re one of those “my life sucks and I’m not willing to do anything about it, so everyone’s life has to suck too”. Well don’t worry, if the conservatives effectively end the right to strike, this whole province is going to be even further in the shitter.
Funny how I've been a member of CUPE for 13 years and have never been on strike...
With an attitude like that no one will hire you anywhere. I’d vote for whatever party gives out government cheese. You’re clearly unemployable.
Rentin that space for free.
In my head?
Hey freedom convoy loonies, Wanna know about the true lack of freedom ? Ask an atheist immigrant from a muslim country :D
Yes tell that to the teachers union ! And why come to a free country if you don't like it when people stand up for their own freedom? Just because other countries suck doesn't mean we should lower our standards or should become complacent when the government tramples on our rights
Hell yeah!
This
That name was just a PR stunt
Correctamundo.
It would be interesting to know how many of them are allowed near schools, and how many of those who are allowed could find a school.
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Define "coaxing"
Who said they’re not? Who said they won’t be there?
The fact that they've been pretty damn quiet for such a loud group, for starters.
Ok where are they?
So you claim they were Nazis and fascists but in order to be in your good graces they need to stand beside you....riiiiiiiiight...this post is stupid as F...they stood up for nurses losing their jobs and what did you do? Fucking nothing. These support workers deserve a raise no doubt but you burnt the bridge a long time ago for people banding together for a common reason
Theres no claim. They said so themselves.
Where did I claim that?
Didn't you guys chase them out of town and ridicule them at every chance. Now you want them to show up and rally for your cause when you told them rallying for their cause was deplorable and called them freedumb...would not even hear out reasonable people who were supporting that cause for valid reasons. The reality is there are "freedumb" people supporting the CUPE. Call me one of them. But acting like discourse in this country is possible or advocating for yourself in this polarized shitshow of a country is possible is a joke. The reality is making a post like this only aims to antagonize people who supported that movement more instead of focusing on positively supporting the CUPE movement without more divisive rhettoric
dung ford went off the mf deepend. cant wait til the next elections bc my ass is getting out there if im still here by then
If the government really wants to do things this way, CUPE should have a mass resignation letter on the governments desk by Monday. There is no point in having this job or a union with no power.
I already see facebook posts about how this is 'totally different' and how Ford is just invoking the NWSC to 'make sure kids to go school' and 'teachers unions do this all the time' and 'stop trying to use the kids as shields.'
I'm just an average dude with no interest in politics and no kids in school, but I think this is extremely concerning.
Given how warm and welcoming this community has been to them for their protest, I don’t think anyone here should expect reciprocity. Reddit Canadians have demonized the convoy protestors in an abhorrent way, and frankly, you are doing so again. You know they won’t show up in masses (many were from AB) and you are trying to discredit them even now by suggesting their absence defines their protest as weak.
I saw it. We may not agree l, but I tried to read your comment with an open mind.
I get the sentiment of the post’s title. But please don’t encourage convoy members to attach their cart to this horse… they’ll cover it in signs and agendas which will delegitimize this strike. I know you’re being somewhat sarcastic, but remember who you’re dealing with.
Why? There's no way in hell pcs are capable of commie shit. No over reach here.
Please. They won't show up. Any of them. From their perspective, this is a lefty-commie-crybaby-meeting-of-coddled-libs.Those ignorant, racist, fascist fucks won't be anywhere near this. The irony of 'freedom protesters' doing nothing while actual freedoms are taken away is thick.
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I think they were just trying to have their own Jan 6th-style shindig.
That’s how it seemed.
Ok. But you better support them when they need it too.
Maybe when we all get that fat 10+% raise, unheard of in that industry and many others. Wages rarely increase by that much for the average worker, after they already undermined medium wage workers by raising minimum
I was against the shitting on and heavy-hand of force used against the "freedom" convoy
Where did I call them vile things?
Not really a true statement. What if they care about freedom but dislike unions? those things are not automatically linked.
Not automatically, but our labour laws didn’t appear out of the goodness of capitalists’ hearts.
That's now how they'd view it.
I'm pretty sure they're too busy being idiots and trying to fornicate with the prime minister.
I guarantee most of them are against the striking workers. Also you probably don't want to ally yourselves with that rabble.
I don't think it is wise to solicit the support of the "Freedom Convoy". Just sayin.
What if it doesn’t affect their freedoms. Same way you didn’t defend peoples freedoms when they were forced locked down and had their businesses shut down because you didn’t care about those stuff.
So you don't care about their freedom, but they should care about yours?
Fights will probably break out, should I bring a bat?
Black Bloc may come out to try & start shit so Ford/Lecce can justify any crackdowns and pushing public support against us. Don’t take their bait.
Since you care about freedom so much, I assume you were in Ottawa supporting the convoy?
I’m not a freedom convoy supporter but by that logic, every one who supports the CUPE strikers should have been at the demonstrations in Ottawa.
OR the vaccine mandates (or whatever it is the freedom convoy was protesting) weren’t actually a volatile of charter rights - unlike what Ford is doing to edu workers in Ontario.
Why do we need to bargin so hard for raises? Who and why, printed all this money to cause the inflation? Fk off with the guilt trips. It's as if saying," hey you made a difference for your causes", now come do the same for us even though we treating you like terrorists for protesting. Just fking wow.
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The russian bots are out in full force this week.
Cupe strikes every time they re bargain? I was in durham region when there were no school sports, music drama clubs, any kind of activities for 4 years time (entirety of highschool) when the teachers were on a protest strike. I havent been able to drum up much if any sympathy for them since then. Just seems the rest of us are held hostage again and again because they cant figure their shit out at the bargainning table
Another person who doesn't have a clue what's going on...
Cry me a river. These people are fighting for a living wage and here you are complaining you couldn't play sports. The audacity.
They were at Queen's Park yesterday
If this is the reason they were there, I’m glad to hear it.
I’m not going to picket but I support anyone who wants to walk out. If they all walk out and refuse to come back then the government has no choice but to negotiate despite the not withstanding clause.
You're free to hate people without having to do a bunch of mental gymnastics.