And it’s not just the workers who deserve better, it’s the kids! Our kids! Ford’s gov is putting the absolute minimum into these programs and it’s affecting the classrooms at all levels.
As an EA who has worked this job for the last five years, I can tell you that part of me regrets going to college for the program that I did. Part of me wishes I went into Accounting or gone straight to government work or something.
We will be closing schools and likely transitioning back to virtual. This is a nightmare. However, Conservatives are happy as can be. Ruining education is their wet dream. Good job boomers and hillbillies, your plot to ruin the world is working.
Have a family member who teaches special needs. They have been on strike before, but often they have EAs working in class for something like the first 8 weeks, strictly work to rule. Most strikes don't last that long, but when they do they will now switch to remote learning. It's a pain in the butt.
Don’t worry the parents won’t be able to work either because I’m guessing just like a couple of years ago they will shut down the entire school and the 3rd party private daycares that pay to use part of the building.
“On Oct. 3, the province’s 50,000 education workers, which include custodians, early childhood educators and school administration staff, voted overwhelmingly in favour of a strike.”
Just to add that some teachers' unions, like OSSTF, represent teachers and education workers. This strike is specific to CUPE education workers. Those education workers represented by OSSTF are not affected in this specific action. I'm not sure if the other teachers' unions also represent education workers. I'm only familiar with OSSTF as I am a member of their universities' sector which is not affected by these negotiations at all.
In my part of the woods each class has a shit ton of kids, 1 teacher and 1 ece. If the ece strikes, It’s a big fucking deal. Especially with my kid being Autistic.
I support these people especially EAs and ECEs! They do such hard work and aren’t getting what they deserve with regards to wages and appreciation. They need more support from the public.
Schools will be immediately closed. Not just because of custodians but all kindergarten classes will then have an illegal ratio without their ECEs present.
Good! And stay out until you bring these assholes to their knees!! Everybody deserves fair wages and be treated with respect, and while my two kids will be out for a little while and it’ll be inconvenient, I fully support the strike. I hope they get what they’re looking for
As a parent, how can anyone not realize how crucial these people are? I support them wholly and hope other parents remember what home school was like. They deserve the 20% and so much more...
Just a point here as a head caretaker we were forced back at the beginingbof covid saying that if we didn't go back we would be deployed in nursing homes where (at the time) covid was rampent we don't WANT to strike no one ever does especially now when thing r tight and it's hard to live on the wages we make imagine trying to live on strike pay
I work as public service worker and our pay increase is also capped at 1%. They wouldn’t even entertain 1.4%. I am praying we strike too. No one should be forced to take 1% pay increase yearly.
I completely support a general strike at this point. It should be all of us against the rich bastards who are profiting from our poverty. We don’t just need wage increases, we need things like better employment standards and better social assistance to ensure that no one is left out and denied basic protections and that no one lives in poverty.
Great. Do it and don’t come back until they pay them more than a fucking bus driver. Teachers and nurses are some of the most important jobs there are. Especially compared to corrupt shitbags in Ford’s government. Why don’t people vote?
It's insane that there's never any money for education or healthcare, but when the cops need a raise, it's not even questioned. We need to get our priorities straight.
They have 3 months off a year, get 11 sick days, and 120 at 90%, good benefits. The union say average salary is 39000 a year, which includes part time, and temporary workers. Most make over $30/ hour not including EI they get during the summer. Do the math, they don't even work 8 hours a day. They are well paid.
If they legislate them back to work, they will need to get an arbitrator who will likely settle things closer to CUPE's demands that the govt would ever willingly do. That's a win.
They will milk it for as long as they think it helps them. The second it no longer plays well in the media or with their base they will be legislated back to work.
This is a long time coming and I for one am not surprised it is happening. With so many lines of work crying for better wages on deaf ears, the only answer the idiots at the top get is not having the staff to do their jobs. It sucks for everyone else but it has to happen so these people finally feel their tower shake at the foundation.
Good. I hope they strike for as long as possible until every single one of their demands are met or at the very least close to it. Make an example for every other industry that piss poor pay and conditions will not stand. If the German staff at Lufthansa can do it, why can't Canadians?
Carpenters and crane operators who were already well paid went on strike, literally shutting down the construction industry in Ontario at a time when we absolutely are most desperate for homes and new construction, they got 8 percent and higher raises. People keeping our kids in schools and working with disabled students making poverty raises get offered less then 2 percent and people are surprised they want to strike. It will take a while for me to stop laughing.
My GF's mother is an EA for special needs kids. They certainly deserve a lot more money, and honestly, even hazard pay depending on which kids they are assigned. Some of these children are so mentally gone they should be in an institution but, instead are placed in a public school. These children are dangerous, they hit, scream, bite, attack, stab (scissors/pencils), spit, etc.
I would assume yes. As others mentioned, the building can't have kids in it for insurance reasons without a chief custodian overseeing the machines. With no custodians, the building is shut down.
hm I wonder. the cleaning is contracted out (not cupe custodians) and the staff aren't in the union, but the building itself has no head caretaker for maintenance. could go either way
Not 100% sure. I’ve been a CUPE education worker for a decade and we haven’t gone on strike in that time. We did work to rule once, but it was ridiculous things like not photocopying for teachers and not filling out communication logs (which we aren’t supposed to do anyway). We almost went on strike in 2019 but reached a deal the day before we were set to walk out.
Good! They should. Carpenters went on strike. Walked off commercial jobs got a raise. Lost about $6000 in pensionable wages that’ll never be made up again.
Honestly if school’s close for a week or two over this (the most I could imagine it would be) it would be a blip on my child’s radar - and I imagine most children. It would be more an inconvenience to the parents, honestly.
The article says they are asking for a $3.25/h pay raise (11.7% increase) so that works out to a $27.78 hourly pay. So they are making about $54k average per year currently.
So after two and half years without proper schooling, now again restricted school because of the walk-off. No wonder Canada is falling back in the competitive chart and politicians are clueless.
You do realize everyone went through hell for the last 2 years, and it wasn't because of the teachers, Jesus Christ, maybe you kids NEED to be put in school
How do people think that the only work education workers do is when students are in the building? They are preparing for students, doing professional development and in terms of caretakers they are doing the deep cleaning that can't be done when a school is full. When do the hallways and classrooms get stripped and rewaxed? They have to remove every desk, chair etc. from the entire room.
They only get paid when they are working. They have some holiday days paid (like most workers anywhere) when it’s a holiday. They are forced to use them on specific days. There is no pay for the March break and there are only 7 PD days, used for professional development, decided by the province or the school board…not a free day like people think. If they have it so good, please join them. Every school is short staffed right now. Those people make below the average salary in Ontario while doing one of the most violent and dirty jobs. All Ford can offer is a 2% increase for the lower tiers. Over the past 5 years they are only behind inflation by about 20%. Same with all other education unions, they have a right to strike. They fought for that right and they also don’t take the kids hostage, they hate doing it. Teachers only got 1% over the past 3 years, like the nurses. Two female dominated professions. Compare that to police (12%) and firefighters (15%), weird that they are male dominated professions no?
It is time. All of these workers deserve better. If there are no custodians that means no school.
And it’s not just the workers who deserve better, it’s the kids! Our kids! Ford’s gov is putting the absolute minimum into these programs and it’s affecting the classrooms at all levels.
The full time workers make good money compared to the private sector, that's why they don't look for another job.
For those who don’t understand how big this is, it means:
-No IT
As a teacher, we cannot legally work without a chief custodian present in the building, so if the custodial staff strikes, the school closes.
As an EA who has worked this job for the last five years, I can tell you that part of me regrets going to college for the program that I did. Part of me wishes I went into Accounting or gone straight to government work or something.
Schools will close on the days CUPE strikes. I am a teacher and this was told to us in 2019 when CUPE was going to strike.
Does this mean schools will shut down? Do I need to scramble for childcare now?
As a former EA, GOOD. I fucking hope they walk.
My daughter is in kinder. Will her class close? I can't imagine how they could operate with only 1 OCT.
Doug Ford wants everyone that can't afford private schools to be uneducated.
Also any programs that rent space in schools in the evenings. We run gymnastics classes out of school gyms and will not be allowed to run.
Why don't teachers strike too? As a parent I'll come walk the picket line with you guys, teachers need more support and raises!
No safety monitors
You won’t be able to get into school.
Some office staff are actually under OSSTF. I think Halton is one of those.
But Ontario has a plan! Lots of money for ads touting the plan!
"As a teacher, I am terrified to work without these essential staff."
That’s ok. You won’t need to. Schools can’t be open without these services. This already happened just a few years ago.
We won't be working without them. I'm sure they'll make us teach remotely and close the schools.
We will be closing schools and likely transitioning back to virtual. This is a nightmare. However, Conservatives are happy as can be. Ruining education is their wet dream. Good job boomers and hillbillies, your plot to ruin the world is working.
Have a family member who teaches special needs. They have been on strike before, but often they have EAs working in class for something like the first 8 weeks, strictly work to rule. Most strikes don't last that long, but when they do they will now switch to remote learning. It's a pain in the butt.
Don’t worry the parents won’t be able to work either because I’m guessing just like a couple of years ago they will shut down the entire school and the 3rd party private daycares that pay to use part of the building.
This is one of the reasons why I am opposed to unions and am instead in favour of coops.
My husband is part of this union. It’s also no trades and no general maintenance.
Can the school even be open without custodians ? 0 chance
“On Oct. 3, the province’s 50,000 education workers, which include custodians, early childhood educators and school administration staff, voted overwhelmingly in favour of a strike.”
Ford and Lecce will be in the media today implying it's the teachers. You can count on that.
Good job pointing this out!
Just to add that some teachers' unions, like OSSTF, represent teachers and education workers. This strike is specific to CUPE education workers. Those education workers represented by OSSTF are not affected in this specific action. I'm not sure if the other teachers' unions also represent education workers. I'm only familiar with OSSTF as I am a member of their universities' sector which is not affected by these negotiations at all.
Those people don't care about them either.
I'd fully support the teachers striking too
True, we haven't even taken a strike vote yet at ETFO.
In my part of the woods each class has a shit ton of kids, 1 teacher and 1 ece. If the ece strikes, It’s a big fucking deal. Especially with my kid being Autistic.
Also includes school librarians, I think!
How the hell are there only 50,000 education workers in a province as big as Ontario????
These people make a world of difference in my sons development and education. They’re UNDER Paid… this is ridiculous
I support these people especially EAs and ECEs! They do such hard work and aren’t getting what they deserve with regards to wages and appreciation. They need more support from the public.
Let's be clear. Once custodians go on strike, schools will close in days due to safety hazards as no cleaning will be taking place.
Not only that, but it means unsafe spec ed and behavioural classrooms.
Yes, also many students require toileting that only EA's can do. Schools will close when CUPE strikes.
More like right away. No way the school can open/operate without a head custodian present.
Schools will be immediately closed. Not just because of custodians but all kindergarten classes will then have an illegal ratio without their ECEs present.
I support CUPE if they decide to walk off of the job. They asked for an approx. 15% increase, and Ford is saying "best I can do is 2%*."
The worst part is that they didn’t even ask for a percentage raise - just $3 raise per hour across the board
Good! And stay out until you bring these assholes to their knees!! Everybody deserves fair wages and be treated with respect, and while my two kids will be out for a little while and it’ll be inconvenient, I fully support the strike. I hope they get what they’re looking for
As a Healthcare worker I stand with them!!!
Stand with u too
As a parent, how can anyone not realize how crucial these people are? I support them wholly and hope other parents remember what home school was like. They deserve the 20% and so much more...
Same
I'm a parent, I support this strike.
Go get ‘em, CUPE.
Just a point here as a head caretaker we were forced back at the beginingbof covid saying that if we didn't go back we would be deployed in nursing homes where (at the time) covid was rampent we don't WANT to strike no one ever does especially now when thing r tight and it's hard to live on the wages we make imagine trying to live on strike pay
Thank you for all you do. I stand with you.
Full support from me.
I work as public service worker and our pay increase is also capped at 1%. They wouldn’t even entertain 1.4%. I am praying we strike too. No one should be forced to take 1% pay increase yearly.
I wonder if the optometrists got their contracts worked out still...
I completely support a general strike at this point. It should be all of us against the rich bastards who are profiting from our poverty. We don’t just need wage increases, we need things like better employment standards and better social assistance to ensure that no one is left out and denied basic protections and that no one lives in poverty.
I’m all for a general strike and most people I know are for it as well
Great. Do it and don’t come back until they pay them more than a fucking bus driver. Teachers and nurses are some of the most important jobs there are. Especially compared to corrupt shitbags in Ford’s government. Why don’t people vote?
Because screw women /s. These politicians always go after women dominated professions.
It's insane that there's never any money for education or healthcare, but when the cops need a raise, it's not even questioned. We need to get our priorities straight.
We need a general strike.
Every. Public. Worker.
Solidarity! Don’t believe the lies you’ll see Lecce spinning in the media soon.
Soon? He's already been doing it for years. Wife's an EA. I hate that prick.
As a parent, I support this. Our schools need better support and teachers/ education workers need raises
They have 3 months off a year, get 11 sick days, and 120 at 90%, good benefits. The union say average salary is 39000 a year, which includes part time, and temporary workers. Most make over $30/ hour not including EI they get during the summer. Do the math, they don't even work 8 hours a day. They are well paid.
They will legislate us all back to work and try to paint us as the bad guys to parents. This lasts two days max.
It's not like they will come to the table in good faith either way. But you should still show you will stand up for yourselves.
If they legislate them back to work, they will need to get an arbitrator who will likely settle things closer to CUPE's demands that the govt would ever willingly do. That's a win.
They will milk it for as long as they think it helps them. The second it no longer plays well in the media or with their base they will be legislated back to work.
Osbcu has said they will pay the fines for anyone not willing to come back after being legislated back.
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Good. Stay strong. Ford will pass legislation but still, let people see how much of a tyrant he is
Good Luck education workers! Know you have support out there.
This is a long time coming and I for one am not surprised it is happening. With so many lines of work crying for better wages on deaf ears, the only answer the idiots at the top get is not having the staff to do their jobs. It sucks for everyone else but it has to happen so these people finally feel their tower shake at the foundation.
Many EAs want to do EA work again, not PSW.
Good on them. Go fight for the money you deserve.
In Solidarity! We all deserve more.
I support them and their decision to walk out if they do. I care for school age kids and would be directly effected
Lecce is going to force a strike. crap. :(
Everyone is pro strike till the daycare is closed
Especially when day care is closed — support better pay for all
I stand with the workers.
I support them 100%
Prior to the last teachers strike, just before the pandemic, teachers had not been on a province wide strike since 1997. Just sayin’
and this isn’t even a teachers strike
Which was the last time conservatives were in charge, right?
Good. I hope they strike for as long as possible until every single one of their demands are met or at the very least close to it. Make an example for every other industry that piss poor pay and conditions will not stand. If the German staff at Lufthansa can do it, why can't Canadians?
So… day off for students?!
And another day for Ontario parents to shove a screen in their kids' face and continue to ignore them as usual.
Now maybe some of these folks will be treated with a little respect instead of tier b workers.
Good!! F Dougie. Pay up
Give them what they're asking for, it's still not enough for what they do.
Carpenters and crane operators who were already well paid went on strike, literally shutting down the construction industry in Ontario at a time when we absolutely are most desperate for homes and new construction, they got 8 percent and higher raises. People keeping our kids in schools and working with disabled students making poverty raises get offered less then 2 percent and people are surprised they want to strike. It will take a while for me to stop laughing.
When ford inevitably puts in back to work legislation, we need a general strike.
PSAC UTE member and parent standing with you in solidarity.
Thank you!
Is this public and catholic schools?
It’s all of them.
My GF's mother is an EA for special needs kids. They certainly deserve a lot more money, and honestly, even hazard pay depending on which kids they are assigned. Some of these children are so mentally gone they should be in an institution but, instead are placed in a public school. These children are dangerous, they hit, scream, bite, attack, stab (scissors/pencils), spit, etc.
Trudeau “By all means though, bring in more immigrants!”
That's a no Brainer so long as we can house them. They have to be the right immigrants though.
Pay up.
My son goes to daycare at a YMCA ran facility attached to a Catholic Elementary school. Will this affect him going to daycare?
Well, there won't be any custodial staff to clean your son's daycare facility, so yes.
I would assume yes. As others mentioned, the building can't have kids in it for insurance reasons without a chief custodian overseeing the machines. With no custodians, the building is shut down.
hm I wonder. the cleaning is contracted out (not cupe custodians) and the staff aren't in the union, but the building itself has no head caretaker for maintenance. could go either way
It depends, you'll have to contact your daycare.
Who knows, if you're really concerned, write to Doug, Steve milk and your local MP that they should be getting paid a decent wage if you really care
Yes
Private daycare? No it won't
It should not different agency/body
I’m in this union and this is how I found out the order finally went through… my stomach dropped. I knew it would happen but I was really hoping not.
When was the last time they went on strike, and for how long?
Not 100% sure. I’ve been a CUPE education worker for a decade and we haven’t gone on strike in that time. We did work to rule once, but it was ridiculous things like not photocopying for teachers and not filling out communication logs (which we aren’t supposed to do anyway). We almost went on strike in 2019 but reached a deal the day before we were set to walk out.
92 for 4 months.
Just another thing for crackhead Doug Ford to privatize
Good! They should. Carpenters went on strike. Walked off commercial jobs got a raise. Lost about $6000 in pensionable wages that’ll never be made up again.
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This is dramatic. But this absolutely would be a generation of lost kids without EAs
Honestly if school’s close for a week or two over this (the most I could imagine it would be) it would be a blip on my child’s radar - and I imagine most children. It would be more an inconvenience to the parents, honestly.
When I was in high school, the custodians went on strike and a bunch of parents volunteered to come in and clean everything for free.
Scabs
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Lol the red eyes in your avatar says it all. Check mines out.
More of the same labour mess that was going on pre-Covid. Ugh.
I’ll tell you what will happen. Your child’s services will improve if we pay the folks providing them a decent god damn wage.
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Maybe a dumb question but does this pertain to the Catholic School Boards as well ? And is it likely it will happen ?
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You need to ask permission to strike?
What if I work for a nonprofit education center?
Schools are only allowed to function 3 days without those services
Is Ford still reporting this as a Teacher strike?
Does this impact university staff?
Well, this may or may not close my high school for a bit, so neat.
The article says they are asking for a $3.25/h pay raise (11.7% increase) so that works out to a $27.78 hourly pay. So they are making about $54k average per year currently.
I totally understand what they are fighting for but the kids are the ones to suffer. They should be aloud to strike.
The kids won't really suffer as it's support staff and ice never seen them go on strike once in 10 years
So after two and half years without proper schooling, now again restricted school because of the walk-off. No wonder Canada is falling back in the competitive chart and politicians are clueless.
We are falling back in the competitive chart? Since the beginning of the pandemic?
This makes me sick.
Hey guess what. I'm support staff. And im at work pretty much all of those days you listed
You listed stat holidays. That everyone get paid for.
You do realize everyone went through hell for the last 2 years, and it wasn't because of the teachers, Jesus Christ, maybe you kids NEED to be put in school
Your kids will hopefully be more informed than you seem to be.
You are VERY misinformed.
How do people think that the only work education workers do is when students are in the building? They are preparing for students, doing professional development and in terms of caretakers they are doing the deep cleaning that can't be done when a school is full. When do the hallways and classrooms get stripped and rewaxed? They have to remove every desk, chair etc. from the entire room.
You are hella dumb!
You do know how much a good private school cost right? St mikes, st Andrews are around 20-30k a year most can’t afford that except the 1%ers .
They only get paid when they are working. They have some holiday days paid (like most workers anywhere) when it’s a holiday. They are forced to use them on specific days. There is no pay for the March break and there are only 7 PD days, used for professional development, decided by the province or the school board…not a free day like people think. If they have it so good, please join them. Every school is short staffed right now. Those people make below the average salary in Ontario while doing one of the most violent and dirty jobs. All Ford can offer is a 2% increase for the lower tiers. Over the past 5 years they are only behind inflation by about 20%. Same with all other education unions, they have a right to strike. They fought for that right and they also don’t take the kids hostage, they hate doing it. Teachers only got 1% over the past 3 years, like the nurses. Two female dominated professions. Compare that to police (12%) and firefighters (15%), weird that they are male dominated professions no?
Those days are typically used for professional development courses.
Gross comment - support workers, read a book
Why don’t you become a teacher if it’s such a “sweet gig”?
Username checks out.
I am sure they are.. because when isn't someone from education striking....
Direct your frustration properly. Maybe ask why you’re not mad at the gov making cuts constantly to our public sectors.
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When you ask? 25 years ago.