Official Discussion - Vengeance [SPOILERS]

  1. I didn't figure out what happened before it was revealed but thought it made sense once it was revealed. I really didn't expect B.J. Novak to pop a cap in Ashton Kutcher's head. Overall: B+

  2. The ending was a shame IMO. BJ Novak’s actions at the end didn’t really line up with his character at all in the rest of the film. Up until that point I thought it was genuinely funny and the writing was thoughtful and smart.

  3. One detail I LOVED that I think might have gone a little unnoticed was on a call towards the end between Novak and Issa Rae. Novak is finally starting to open his eyes and see the story but she’s telling him the story is complete and get out.

  4. Discovered weekly playlists are amazing for finding new artists that you never would have seen before though. Once I find a group I really enjoy I go to their page and then deep dive into their discography.

  5. I love that Dove Cameron's character was named Kansas City. You started to get the city theme with Abilene and Paris and then wham, Kansas City.

  6. In my headcanon, all of the children were named after the city in which they were conceived. Tyler and Mason are actually names of cities in Texas (along with Paris and Abilene).

  7. Surprisingly good movie that I didn’t expect that much from. Ashton Kutcher very rarely acts now but I see why this script was enough to hook him (that and he’s irl friends with BJ Novak lol)

  8. I loved recordings as a metaphor for life. I loved the idea that everything we create is just a translation of inspiration we get from people. I loved Ben's evolution through the movie. I loved the movie.

  9. The most unrealistic thing in this movie is that Ben has perfect cell reception in the middle of nowhere Texas at all times

  10. Far from a perfect movie but I thoroughly enjoyed it. The writing was very clever and I found myself invested in the characters. The first two thirds were absolutely fantastic. A very unexpected surprise this year as I had not seen anything about it other than on this subreddit. I would highly recommend this to anyone. 8.5/10

  11. That’s how I feel - 8, 8.5. Ending left me a little hollow but I think that’s probably intentional.

  12. Took a Hinge date to this after dinner and oof that opening scene had me cringing. I kid you not she asked me about siblings right before and there was a line where they shit all over that question as being pointless. We both liked the movie though!

  13. I don't think it's pointless. You can learn a lot about someone by learning if they're the youngest, middle, or oldest sibling... or an only child.

  14. I really liked this movie. It had a lot to say, but it also never forgot that it was telling a story. I think every character surprised me at least once.

  15. This is the second film in a row that, for me, wasn't totally ruined by the preview (Nope being the other). I expected a black comedy and came out with it all flipped around.

  16. Loved how the car exploding was a total red herring and unrelated to anything except Texas culture

  17. The most striking scene for me was when Novak's character was trying to reason why Whataburger was so loved by this family. Was it the quality? Was it the price? What was it? The family continues to give cop-out answers, "it's just there." It's finally explained that it's something to be loved in the same way as you would love a puppy or a family member. You don't need a reason why. You don't want a reason why.

  18. I absolutely agree with the majority of this, word for mostly word. The ending was a rushed conclusion, which I guess one could argue is the antithesis of Elosie saying how an open ending is better, etc. But yes it was a very pleasant surprise and despite the rushed ending, I think its one of my favorite movies of the year so far.

  19. I thought Whataburger was a commentary on our belief system in general. Some people come to their beliefs through introspection and observation, some of us believe in something just because everyone else believes in it. I think this is true for all of us to a certain point. There's this conservative dude I know who in actuality isn't conservative at all. He rails against left leaning politicians, but then a few sentences later will go on about how there shouldn't be anyone with the kind of wealth that Musk and Bezos have, that education should be free and how our health care system should remain free and should be better. If you try to explain the fallacy he zones out. He's conservative because he grew up in a conservative household and all his extended family and friends are conservative. He's not stupid, he knows shit about different things that frankly I don't understand, and when he tries to enlighten me I zone out. Whataburger is a texas institution, just like football. They all like the same football team and how very dare you support the wrong team, even if it is also from texas.

  20. I didn’t think in 2022 I’d be saying “give Ashton Kutcher more work” but I was really impressed by his performance here. Hope this wasn’t a one-off for him

  21. Had us all rolling in a Texas theatre. The man put WORK in for this film. I had myself half convinced that he was originally FROM Texas… that’s how accurate it was. I so appreciate him caring and getting it right. On a somewhat related note I loved this line:

  22. That exchange was so devastating and a perfect example of how sometimes the most powerful words are very simple words

  23. I laughed out loud so hard at this point in the theater and no one else did I legit got so embarrassed. But it was pretty funny

  24. Yeah, plus ‘he wasn’t there’, the brother probably handled the gun. the entire family will be covering for him, and he’s not sticking around to be questioned, but he left for the perfectly legitimate reason of his producer/boss calling him back to NY.

  25. A person overdosing at a party might not be investigated as thoroughly, but a local business leader being shot most certainly would be, no matter the jurisdiction overlap. It's not a perfect crime whatsoever.

  26. This was pretty clever versus something like Josh Radnor's "Liberal Arts" which existed just so he could play a character different from his sitcom and show the world how smart and beloved he (thinks he) is. BJ had something to say and it wasn't a vanity project, etc. I thought it was funny how he pointed out people post quotes from Oscar Wilde without having read one of his plays or an Audrey Hepburn quote without having seen the movie it references; then he references Chekhov's gun and the sister from Texas, whom he had written off as being uncultured, mentions that Chekhov doesn't have a gun in any of his plays and lists off the ones she's read -- to which he responds that he's never read one of his plays.

  27. I'm a little surprised but all the rave reviews in the comments. As much as I enjoyed the movie, the movie really falls apart in the final 30 minutes. Ben didn't see the Whataburger numbers in Abilene's bedroom the entire time he was there and try it as a password? Ty and the other siblings knew Abilene used drugs, knew Ashton Kutcher had a drug den set up at those parties, but they needed help figuring out who "murdered" her?

  28. I think all the rave reviews are saying "I liked the first hour but it fell apart in the final 30 minutes" so they're giving it a positive review BECAUSE of what worked.

  29. I liked the movie because it’s so thought provoking. I was really confused by the ending and ended talking for hours with my friend about it!

  30. This pissed me off as well. Frustrating ending. Also why did Ashton admit to everything and not care when it was recorded? Just didn’t make any sense and the explanation from Ashton was trash.

  31. God I loved this movie. The fact that I comment and we all talk about it proves it point. I think it's trying to make meaning or understanding in the middle of being literal and coming from the heart which is something we all deal with and in the end I think its the stories we live that we don't tell that define us and the ones that we do tell are where we're defined by others. I gotta see it again.

  32. Pretty interesting and fun movie. I liked it quite a bit, the plot and the characters were having a good time and the writing was just sharp enough that it didn't bother me that it spent so much time ruminating on "what is America". Down that rabbit hole there's a lot to think about with the ending and what fulfillment we get out of vengeance but on the surface there's a funny and intriguing movie to watch if you don't want to get all existential.

  33. One thing that I took away from all the inflated conversations about “America” etc. was that I think we the audience aren’t supposed to take them as the thesis of the film, but rather a reflection of characters like BJ, Issa, and Ashton, and their shallow attempts to extrapolate this very real tragedy. I think there’s a lot here on trying to move away from our tendencies towards aggrandizement for validation and focus on empathy. BJ did what he did, not to tell a story and gain notoriety for himself, but because Abeline was a person whose life mattered, regardless of who she’d been or what she’d done to get there.

  34. The headline of every review should include the word surprising. For a very unassuming premise, this film packs a lot of soulful performances, percipient themes, and endearing heart. Top-to-bottom, I was pleasantly surprised by everything from the dialogue to the production design.

  35. I knew Ashton Kutcher was the culprit. Why else would an A-list actor be brought in for a scene that is relatively inconsequential to the plot?

  36. I think the movie isn’t that interested in being surprising which is more or less confirmed with that scene in the tent. “We both know how this goes” etc etc..

  37. I think that’s a reductive way to think of the conclusion. I also assumed is was Kutcher but because I find the scariest villains usually sway towards soft spoken and insightful (Gus in breaking bad types) so I found what he was saying both beautifully poetic and terrifying. However, Kutcher being in it didn’t give it away. I mean Matt Damon & Melissa McCarthy flew down to Australia to play spoof version of Marvel characters. Close connections in Hollywood (and big budgets) typically lend to well done cameos without a needed payout.

  38. Kutcher being obvious didn't bother me all that much when the movie had another twist that genuinely shocked me (Abby not actually thinking Ben was her boyfriend.)

  39. In the tent with Quinten, did anyone else notice Ben do the 'quiet laugh' face Eloise recommended earlier on to egg subjects on to keep talking? It was a super subtle touch but a satisfying payoff from an earlier gag.

  40. Honestly I need a big brain person to explain to me the metaphor of him killing the guy at the end . I’m sure it’s obvious and I’m missing it but I think it’s a parallel between him being a egotistical city liberal who ended up actually doing something he thought was beneath him to in a sense another man who has his same mindset but adapted to the middle America way of life.

  41. I’m no big brain but I think you got it. Everything led up to that moment. He took the advice of his podcast producer and listened without interrupting as Sellers (Kutcher) confessed. Even nodded to egg him on. In the end he (Novak) went with his gut and got his vengeance, completing the journey. And you don’t dial 9-1-1 in Texas.

  42. I don’t know if metaphor is the right word, but it certainly goes with the theme of people being more than stereotypes. Despite that whole speech about people underestimating rural Americans, Kutcher’s character never even considered that Ben might have a gun, much less use it.

  43. I think you got it. Ben believes he is doing good and putting himself in danger to find out the truth behind Abby’s death. I don’t think Ashton would have been shot if he just stopped talking after Ben pointed out that he has recorded their conversation. What got Ashton killed is the insult that Ben doesn’t know or care about Abby. Ben is here in Texas to sell a story, he’s doing it for himself.

  44. I thought this was really sharp, funny, and insightful. But Novak directing it hurt him a lot. It was serviceable direction, but totally flavorless. A good director could’ve brought a visual identity to this and made it a really great film.

  45. Yeah I do wonder if an established director had done this, and BJ could still have written and starred in it.

  46. Good film. West Texas is beautiful, everyone should visit Marfa at some point(and then swing down to Big Bend, of course). Props to the cast for their correct pronunciation of “Whataburger”, which of course is “Waterburger”

  47. Points for dead on Texas family representation. From the house full of Hobby Lobby clutter, "Bless your heart," the sisters who are like best friends, to the youngest daughter insulting and defending Texas in the same breath, it's perfect. It leaned into some clichés for sure, but didn't feel too exploitative or mocking.

  48. Just left the film. I liked it but one thing is bugging me (apologizes if it's been discussed) how did the brother even get a hold of Ben if the sister had Ashton's character as Ben in her phone? And the brother said no one had been able to get into her phone. Even if Abby had said his full name he wouldn't have been to get his number so easily

  49. You make a good point. Devils advocate here … Ben was a somewhat public figure no? He may have been able to track him down.

  50. I don’t think movies need to be perfect and a lot of my favorites aren’t. I think this falls into that category. Sometimes it was bland, had pacing issues, and could be on the nose at times. But wow it had a lot of heart. The comedy lands as earnest and sincere as do the emotional beats. It’s a succinct reflection on our lack of consideration for others. I don’t know if this movie anything new or profound, but it tells a story that I believe will resonate with most viewers.

  51. As a west Texan, I initially wondered if Kansas City was the one character’s nickname rather than actual name because so many of us have become rabid KC Chiefs fans after former Texas Tech QB Patrick Mahomes landed there. There seem to be more KC fans than Cowboy fans around here these days.

  52. Funny movie with surprising heart. At first I was like yep this is every dumb Texan I know but by the end I was like yea this is every Texan I know. Loving caring and actually way smarter than people give them credit for.

  53. As a Texan, the Whataburger element was handled masterfully. As a movie fan, the entire thing was handled masterfully.

  54. I’m still so confused about the ending and need to watch the dialogue between Quinten and Ben again. It has been suggested to me that Ben took “ his own” vengeance once Quinten pointed out that Ben doesn’t actually care about Abilene, he was exploiting the story for his podcast career. So in the end he shot Quinten not to avenge Abilene but to avenge being called out for being a self centered journalist. What do you think?

  55. Because he knew he was being recorded by Ben's character the entire time. He wants to come off a very specific way.

  56. I thought Ben had some real character growth. At first, he was as Quinten describes him: elitist, using the family for his own gains, not really caring about Abby. But as time went on, he really started to connect with them. It all came to a head with them fighting, but it doesn’t mean he doesn’t care about them still. I think he shot Quinten because he really did want the revenge for this new family he has grown to care for.

  57. Short thought - Ben's deletion of the podcast at the end is both a rejection of Astons worldview, and a final act of Vengeance; after all if people are nothing but scratchings on the record of history, there is no death greater than the erasure of your scratchings.

  58. I think BJ Novak’s character was a bit too much of a stereotype and not as much as an actual person at least in the beginning. The movie was interesting, had an original concept, and had thought provoking themes. Maybe a little more show don’t tell was in order. Let the audience get with what you’re going for without having to explicitly tell us.I would say about half of the jokes or so landed in my theatre in Texas. Loved the Whataburger praise. Overall I’d say it’s a solid B+ movie, enjoyed my time at theatre which is all I can ask for

  59. I had no problem with the ending, bjs character isnt dumb or hot headed and he wouldn’t of done what he did if he thought he would get caught, and given how the law enforcement is in the area he clearly would of gotten away with what he did.

  60. The ending doesn’t work for me. I feel like he should’ve gone after the girl they were about to leave in the middle of nowhere. I think the story should’ve ended with how he couldn’t save Abegine but maybe he could save her and have Abegine’s family look out for her. Then he’d tell Tyler who killed his sister and he would be the one to kill Kutcher’s character. I still see him deleting the podcast episodes but I just don’t see him killing Kutcher’s character. I also don’t think you go through that experience and not protect that young girl

  61. It's definitely a good attempt, but it doesn't quite stick the landing. It's a case of telling, not showing - too much talking and philosophizing on the goings on and not enough integration of those points within the story. The entire climactic scene in the tent almost ruins the movie. You have Kutcher's character who just doesn't gel as far as his motivations, droning on and on about his philosophy. Then, as others have said, it simply doesn't make character or story sense for Ben to kill him. He recorded him saying what he did; why kill him? Of course it's all about the Chekhov's Gun thing, but still. It feels off, and I believe the movie should have wrapped and wound down after the Whataburger scene.

  62. Dove Cameron completely dipping out of the movie from the car explosion on was really distracting to me

  63. I think what the movie did best was show both sides have positives and both sides flaws. It represented America and current culture as well as anything I have seen in recent memory. I was pleasantly surprised with how much I enjoyed it.

  64. I was on the fence with this one as Novak couldn’t really break through with a particular genre or identity for a while, but this ended up winning me over once it’s themes started to connect. I was weary of Novak’s “both sides are bad” approach but he ended up having some relevant and poignant things to say about human worth. I thought the last half of this was great.

  65. I really enjoyed it. I don’t really watch movie trailers because I like going into it blind and I thought the first scene with John Mayer was going to set the tone I had assumed it might have. But it ended up being so sharp and surprising. I’m one who loved the ending. I thought it was perfect. I also thought it was an indication of the influence working with Tarantino had on him.

  66. As much as I really enjoyed this film does anyone else feel like Novak maybe overplayed his hand just a little bit at the end with the text conversation between Quinten and Abilene? I mean the film at its core is about a person; and based on the premise and title of the podcast that person should be Abilene, but our main character is so self-absorbed that he doesn't realize he has made the entire podcast (and as a result, film) about himself. The idea that he was so self-centered that he never bothered to pay attention to a girl who was really interested in him gave the film a lot of heart and drove home the idea that if people weren't so distant we could really find things in people that we love. In the end, however, having the text that said he was just some guy in NYC she was hooking up with felt like it took away from some of the introspection that our lead went through and kind of cheapened that whole aspect of the journey. It also takes away from the gut punch that her mother landed when she said that sometimes people do drugs because people they love don't know they exist, which puts a lot of the blame on Ben's shoulders.

  67. I think it only adds to it since I’m sure in his head he thought that she was totally in love with him when she was just a hookup to him and that’s his own inflated ego talking, when the more realistic scenario, and what ended up being the reality, was that wasn’t the case at all and he was a good coverup since he was a clean cut guy. Sort of a gut bunch at the end right there to really solidify that he really has his head in his ass.

  68. i took her referring to him as just "a guy she hooked up with” as her downplaying how she felt about him because she was hurt.

  69. Really really enjoyed this movie, the ending just made me feel eh. I didn't love BJ Novak's character killing him. This was a dude who had never held a gun before and in the end, he is willing to kill that guy? Other than that I really enjoyed the writing and overall tone/story they told.

  70. Quite enjoyed it, loved the opening scene, loved the way a lot of information was conveyed. Some of the dialog would be better read than actually spoken but would recommend it. Will definitely be following up any future projects!

  71. The ending was fast. My question is — did the whole story really get deleted or just the last part? Did he leave it hanging like Issa Rae’s character suggested or delete the whole thing?

  72. Sorry for the late reply, but I watched this last night, and this is the only (well, first) spot I've found people asking this exact question about what he deleted. My takeaway was that just the latest files were deleted, but it seems any discussion of the movie, including in this discussion thread, is that he deleted all of the files... which doesn't make a ton of sense. Clearly, his employer, not-NPR, had been editing his raw audio into episodes. As much as the movie isn't about editing podcasts (and what the movie ends up being actually about isn't podcast production at all), a "smart" movie wouldn't just ask the viewer to go along with the plot point that a journalist on assignment would be able to permanently and remotely delete every file in a project that multiple people are working on. At which point, "well, if it's on a cloud account, there's usually an ability to undelete things." Where at that point, it's really not a movie about cloud storage administration, so there's no use showing the follow-up if the angle is that he deleted everything.

  73. I thought that he just deleted the last part because the top of the screen read “Raws” (so non-edited clips that came straight from his phone/recorder) whereas in the last phone call Rae told him the podcast was complete and ready to be sent off. But then in the conversation with the mom he seemed to imply the podcast would never see the light of day at all, he said something like “that story was just for us” I think? So I’m unsure too

  74. The ending reminded me of The Long Goodbye. A character the protagonist trusts confesses that he was behind the thing that happened and acts like it's not a big deal, and the protagonist out of nowhere pulls out a gun and shoots the guy, then goes home

  75. You don't know someone on the surface. This guy was naming girls in his phone bumble girl, girl I slept with once, etc. You thought you knew him but what you saw was only the surface of the character until the end. It all made sense. Don't think you know him by the way he talks and works. Ever been in a fight? Ever been stressed out? This guy was sleeping with girls left and right. His true self came out in the end.

  76. I really liked the movie, but the last act felt kind of jarring to me. Starting from the point where he flips out on everyone, immediately after the scene at Whataburger showing how happy he was to be integrated in their family structure. Even if it was all a set-up from Ty, he got a pretty good experience and an entire podcast out of it. (Which his producer was happy to wrap up as is.)

  77. The moment he flipped out at Whataburger changed my entire view of the movie. I really enjoyed the first two acts and that moment took me out of it. The rest of the movie felt rushed. Ashton's nicely presented drug display, final speech, and then death was not a good conclusion IMO. I think that's a pretty general consensus from what I've read tonight.

  78. This was really surprisingly good - up until the last couple of minutes with the Kutcher character. It seemed so out of place for his character and incongruent with the rest of the movie.

  79. I absolutely love how Ben is too disconnected from the situation/life and the family is too ignorant about the situation/life so what would normally be a super tragic event becomes some sort of dark murder mystery comedy.

  80. I came to this movie without knowing anything about it -- and thoroughly enjoyed it. I found it funny, insightful, well plotted, well paced and well written, and BJ Novak's take on Texas and Texans was rich enough and plausible enough and authentic enough to keep me fully engaged and entertained for the entire runtime.

  81. How would they have known the right “Ben” to call? And I’m assuming that she wouldn’t have wanted her family know she was hooking up with Ashton Kutcher because he’s a drug dealer but Boyd Holbrook seemed to be his friend? Liked the movie a lotn

  82. Can anyone explain why Ben first shot a hole into the wall of the tent? My wife and I first thought the shot came from somewhere else and even after the movie ended we are confused about it...

  83. I agree with much of what people have written here. Just wanted to say that I found the scene with Sancholo really moving and under appreciated in this thread. Another example of showing the humanity behind the “bad” guy, while examining why people do the things that they do. 8/10 movie— really enjoyed it.

  84. How did Abilene’s family get Ben’s number in the beginning? That’s been bothering me since I watched it. Otherwise I really enjoyed it

  85. I’ve never felt such extremes in a movie. Maybe that’s the point, I dunno, but I was ready to rave about the movie right up until when Ben kills Quentin. Jarring and completely unearned.

  86. As a non-Texan who lived in Texas for 3 years. I cannot stand Whatabuger. If I ever have to see Whataburger again, I will throw up in my mouth. Most burgers there tasted like Texas Toast mashed with dollar store quality meat. That place was every where. The server with the plastic serving tray and condiments never made sense.

  87. I thought the movie was terrible. The trailer was great, the movie was so badly written and cringey I kept contemplating just leaving.

  88. Yeah me too. I dont get what everyone is loving about this movie. All the Texas characters are certified morons who are teaching the city boy about love, family and the meaning of life. Its not that original. Lots of 4 minute long monologs, and none of the jokes really landed for me.

  89. Does anybody else suspect that killing Kutcher's character might have been shoehorned in on the advice of producers, not in the original script or intention? Maybe they said "It's good but needs more oomph in the final act." I just can't come up with what killing him adds to the story/character. Even when he gains a better understanding of the family and this environment, he is still kind of aloof, not overly emotionally invested, so killing him out of emotion over the family/town doesn't compute, nor does doing it out of shame for himself. I'm sure Novak and others involved agonized over whether this was the right choice for the film, but it seems from every comment I've read that people are mystified.

  90. That’s the thing! If everyone goes to these parties including brother Ty. Why is it such a mystery who is supplying the drugs? Unless the American flag tent is invitation- only by Ashton, although it doesn’t seem to have any guards. Also if people get dumped at the Afterparty on a regular basis why doesn’t Ty just set up shop at that location covertly to figure out the pattern of who is doing all the dumping of OD’d people? It has been suggested by my friend that the family doesn’t actually want to “ get to the bottom of it” since they all know that Abby is a pill popper. Ty’s need for vengeance is more along the lines of the 5 stages of grief ( denial, anger) but by the end at the Whataburger scene the family has already moved on to acceptance.

  91. As a native Texan, i’m a little disappointed they didn’t include a Bucees reference but overall, I enjoyed it.

  92. Why did Kutcher text 100% to Abilene that night? Isn't it Ben's phrase? Or is it supposed to be the phrase that all the douchebags say in this movie?

  93. Ashton Kutcher totally looked like Pedro Pascal in this. Also the script was pretty good, had some very clever lines in it. The movie could have been better with an experienced director and a more carismatic lead and 5-10 minutes could have been cut.

  94. He did look like Pedro Pascal! I agree it could have been shaved around 10 minutes or so. But I did find Novak to be suitable, and better than anything he’s acted in before.

  95. Help me out here; what the hell was the brother doing at the after party? I could be missing something but if he knows/goes to the same place his sister got the drugs to od at...

  96. There were those long ‘talky scenes” in the beginning of the movie that I was not crazy about. I thought to myself that this is a wannabe Linklater knock-off.

  97. I loved this movie. Absolutely hilarious, the Texas humor was on point. As someone who has lived here for 8 years now it reminds me of all the reasons why I both love and hate this state, lol.

  98. I am glad I got to see this in a theater in Texas. The audience reactions definitely added to my enjoyment of this movie. I didn't care for the slow paced beginning of the film or John Mayer. Ashton Kutcher was great. Overall, I enjoyed the the film, but I felt like Novak was trying to convey way too many deep thoughts in one film, had he not gone overboard in that, it could have been more meaningful. It borderlined cheesy because of that, imo.

  99. Kind of feel like Ben and Q are interconnected as characters somehow. They share some similar traits "great thinkers"(Kutcher's monologues we're purposely over the top and "deep"). Both are succesful, one's a writer for the New Yorker and the other a record producer...And of course they both treated Abilene the exact same way(just another girl on their phone).

  100. He learned he didn’t want to be part of it and be famous off the back of Abilene and her family

  101. There is nothing to learn. If you're in Texas, you do whatever you want. No one calls the police in Texas. It's handled directly. If anything, that's what he learned. Justice isn't handled through podcasts. It handled through action.

  102. B.J. Novak’s fabulous directorial debut (which he also wrote and stars in) is at once a darkly funny thriller-lite with razor sharp social commentary, at other times a poignant, superb exploration of humanity, self-discovery and grief; a love letter to Texas and a completely unorthodox revenge tale. Wonderfully cast with a strong script that makes you care about its characters and gives each actor moments to shine the film is subversive, ambitious and one of my favorites of the year.

  103. I quite enjoyed it, but everyone time that lady on the phone would give " expert analysis" on podcasts and themes, I couldn't help but roll my eyes. Is this movie making fun of podcasts?

  104. The movie is definitely being critical of true crime podcasts, yes. Issa Rae’s character is captivated and motivated by the story but doesn’t have any emotional attachment to what’s going on.

  105. Rarely do I see a movie I can’t wait to end but this movie in my opinion was not good at all. It was all about Novak from the rip and so god awful slow. Everything his character said was so “insightful” it felt like it was from reciting some doctoral paper. But also maybe I just prefer different styles of movies. Was very surprised to see the 7.3/10 IMDb and 80% rotten tomatoes. But to each their own

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