Is taking a cutting off of a cutting ‘watered down genetics’ as I’ve been told

  1. Wouldnt it be preserving a specific phenotype of a strain? Like seeds define the strain but each seed is slightly different genetically.

  2. Not at all, all the genetic information is on the cutting and that's why it can grow into a new plant. The only way to "water down" genetics is to cross it with another strain, in that case the crossed plant has less attributes of parent A becuase now it also has atttributes from parent B.

  3. It's an interesting point though - as a cutting would be taken from new growth and then planted in a new medium and would grow new roots. Technically no single part of that newly rooted cutting is older than a few weeks. It this point, is it still an 'old plant'?

  4. Maybe if that cut has diseases. My boy has the same runtz cut from 2016 and he's been cloning his clones ever since. Nothing's changed about it.

  5. The DNA of the clone doesn't magically change once you clip it. It is a literal clone of the mother and has the same potential, from my understanding

  6. My understanding is that genetic drift is real but it takes many, many generations, and is far more likely to affect disease/pest resistance than flower quality.

  7. The only way to “water down genetics” is to introduce new genes via breeding. Cuttings don’t take anything away from the genetic material — the genetics from the cutting are identical to the mother plant, that’s why we call it a clone. If a clone appears weak, that’s an issue with mom or clone plant health, not anything to do with the genetics.

  8. Contrary to what people are saying, epigenetic drift is real. That said, it doesn’t mean it’s necessarily drifting in a wrong direction. Likely any shift that happens over several generations of cuttings will be unnoticeable for many many years. The phenotype changes will vary based on how the plants are cared for, and what environmental stressors they are under. So in a controlled indoor grow environment, this is likely minimized.

  9. Watered down with what? Wheres the "not-genetics" thats diluting the genetics coming from? This is how people cultivate specific versions of strains. XJ-13 was just a really nice cutting of jack herrer, keylime pie is just a nice cutting of gsc...

  10. There is no such thing as watered down genetics, A plant could have a virus or whatever that it can pass to the clone, Which you can get rid of with tissue culture as well as planting it in the ground for a few years

  11. I’ve been continuing the genetics of a couple strains for years now. I think this is the 7th or 8th generation on one of them. It’s so loud I can smell my girlfriend open a jar from across the house in seconds. I’ve seen significant improvement in all areas until these last couple generations. That’s only because they’ve now grown to take full advantage of the environment I’ve given them. Only way to keep improving them would be to upgrade my equipment. I’m very happy with how they are now so no need.

  12. Nah I don't think so. I'm fairly new to keeping mothers so about every 3 months I'll just clone it off and start a fresh one. My oldest is like 8 months rn on the third gen of clone and they still run the same.

  13. I believe issues can arise when you keep a mother in a vegetative state for too long and continually strike clones from it. The cells just start to disintegrate at some point (something like that, Ive not experienced it myself).

  14. No because you aren’t mixing anything. “Watering down” would be like breeding it with ruderalis to bring down its thc production.

  15. When you clone from a cutting, the actual age of the plant is the age of the original mother. If you clone from a clone over and over, the actual age is still the age of the original source plant.

  16. Had someone tell me u breed strains by putting 2 seeds in 1 pot just let idiots be idiots and don't let there ideas infect u

  17. I’ve cut cuttings from cuttings like 6 “generations” deep and they always turned out great. I’ve heard if you keep pulling clones eventually it would weak n genetics but I haven’t gone far enough to see that

  18. Y'all are saying "yes obviously what do you think would happen" like it's an easy answer but I see so many points not mentioned. Watered down is probably a bit too straight forward but saying the individual stays the exact same is wrong

  19. Over time if you keep snipping off of clone after clone you WILL weaken the genetic! It’s best to have a mother plant and continuously take cuts off of her

  20. Theres a higher chance catching a disease the more times you cut, each cut is prone to infection, so keep your tools sterile. A plant with a severe disease like HPLVD will mute the potency and flavor of the infected cultivar.

  21. Yeah this makes sense. In my opinion any claims of degradation were probably due to virus accumulation, not genetic mutation.

  22. I made clones of clones of clones for years straight with no noticeable depreciation of strain quality. Though I have certainly heard people try to claim otherwise. I think if there is any sort of depreciation, it is so insignificant that it's not even worth mentioning.

  23. It is genetically the same plant. Taking a cut off of a cut off of a cut off of a cut will still have the same DNA genotypically. Genetic degradation occurs as an external factor, not an internal one.

  24. Over years and years it could possibly lower potency, but iv had cuts from cuts for over ten years, still just as good as the original, it is a genetic copy, so yeah your friend is wrong in that aspect, cloning doesn't water down anything, it's the same plant. Maybe you'll notice a slight difference in potency after 30 years but I doubt it will be that much different.

  25. So fun fact, there's a strain called monkey glue that's fire AF. It wasn't always called monkey glue. Closest strain it's compared to is gorilla glue #4. Cloning doesnt water down genetics, it more creates offspring. Sure, at first, each clone is in fact an exact genetic match of the mother plant,however, they change as they grow. each clone will produce different clones from the next. eventually, the plant no longer resembles the original mother. It's no longer the gorilla glue or gorilla glue #4. It's a new selectively bred variety of strain that shares gorilla glue ancestry. Monkey glue smacks harder than gg in my opinion so it's not like it always gets worse.

  26. TLDR: Each cutting will "evolve" differently. It can be positive or negative. Think selective breeding.

  27. It's a copy of a copy, think about making a photocopy of a photocopy after a few times it isn't even legible. So, yes, it's called "Genetic Drift".

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