Depends on the state and who's living in the house. I think, in Massachusetts, you're not allowed to defend unless there's a disabled person in the house.
Can confirm. Have buttfucked intruder with blade. It was rubber Halloween knife and I used lube to make the event less traumatic. Burglar left crying like a bitch.
Was it here in the states where that guy broke into a notorious gay criminal who happened to be a giant of a man. Said homeowner than captured the intruder and made him his gimp for weeks.
In Maryland we have duty to retreat laws where you basically have to hide and can only defend your home if they are breaking down the door to get to you specifically
Well now someone needs to go for the judge so that in the future they know if they get someone in jail because of dumb shit like this they will be fucked up
Austria here: friend of mine got assaulted in the middle of a bar,told the guy to stop harassing the bartender There's cctvs capturing how he got attacked by the guy a few times Friend throws punch breaks assailants nose Assailant sues friend and is granted € 5k+
Sometimes it feels like this is totally inescapable. Like not even just real, life threatening stuff, but basic bullying in middle school. I still remember fucking yelling at my bully to fuck off as he was beating the shit out of me and being sent to the principal for daring to swear. Meanwhile, I'm all bruised and I can't put pressure on my left leg because it feels like my knee will implode. On the other hand, that lil' shit got off with a "stern talking to" with the teacher that absolutely adored him. Thankfully, the trauma had led to me not leaving my room / house unless I absolutely have to, so I am minimizing danger, at least.
This is one of the drawbacks of some European justice systems. Like what is one supposed to do in such a situation? Offer the thief a cup of tea? If you enter someone's house in the dead of night, be prepared to die. It is that simple.
I don't know the answer, but I have heard the correct protocol according to them is to quietly wait aside for the police to come. Obviously this is 100% Farm-Grade Maneur, but I hear a lot of people try to justify it. Lot's of people making laws that are very soft in the head, and there's a lot of laws out there that are "compassion for criminals"
Maybe on logical reason is that say you invited someone over, got in argument or something and killed them. You could then kill and claim self defense for anyone entering your home.
"Mr Justice McDermott said the damage done to the family was horrendous beyond words. Mr Power had been an exceptionally hard working young man, fuelled by his love for the sea and his father's encouragement."
As an Irishman, besides his abhorrent (and sadly common) hairstyle, I think he was in the right. Someone breaks into your house in the night and tries assaulting you? Drunk or not if I have a knife it's disappearing into his chest.
On the flip side my mate was jumped for being gay and had his jaw broken. The 3 black lads that jumped him are well known has been more than a year and the gards haven't done a thing. Absolutely bananas
The Irish news stories on this are wild. They really paint the guy who got shanked as some sort of Saint and valued member of the community. It was fucking weird. And then the judge’s comments were very out of left field.
I feel like his fuckng atrocious haircut is distracting some people from how utterly fucked this situation (and by extension, self-defense laws as a whole in Ireland and UK) is. This lad is getting time for defending himself and his mum. Fuckkng clown world
I know that every time I am awoken in the middle of the night by an intruder the 1st thing I do is refer to my state's laws then I refer to federal laws before acting
Break into a house here in Alabama and getting out alive would be the best you could hope for. They're not usually that lucky! We don't play that crap down here!
The judge is an ass. You can sit there and listen to all the facts but you'll never understand how that kid felt. When you're being attacked by someone you're not thinking rationally, you're trying to defend yourself with all means available.
To all fellow euro people. If you defend yourself against an attacker, do not call the police. 1. They really are fucking useless for the victims, 2. Calling them is just asking to get in trouble. Self defence laws basically don’t exist.
Austria here: friend of mine got assaulted in the middle of a bar,told the guy to stop harassing the bartender There's cctvs capturing how he got attacked by the guy a few times Friend throws punch breaks assailants nose Assailant sues friend and is granted € 5k+
Does every 17yo Tyler wakes up one day and thinks to himself: I want PUBES on my head? Like really what's up with curly hair? Is ancient Greeks popular now?
And people there can't do anything about it? Everybody just watches as a innocent person loses years of his life in jail? Can't they do something? God, this pisses me off
Irish judges and politicians live in well-off communities and are pretty immune to the scum of the earth. I wonder whether they will ever change their judgments when they and their families become victims of a home invasion or other violent crimes — the pathetic Irish judicial system at its finest. This is why criminals gets bolder SMH.
Kind of surprised by this. Youths in Ireland usually get away with anything because guards won’t prosecute minors, petty crime is out of hand these days because of it.
His ear looks like God forgot to give him one at first so pulled one out of the lost and found bin for him nd hastily jammed it on in almost the right spot.
Poor kid already had his house broken into and has to live with the fact that he killed a man for the rest of his life. If you don't want to get stabbed don't break into someone's house
Anybody who uses force against a home intruder and doesn't say "They said 'I'm going to kill you', so I assumed they were going to kill me" is making a big mistake. They're in your home, your words vs theirs I bet yours wins
Wait what I thought like he went mental and like stabbed the dude 30 times but only once? Even when I thought it was the other I thought imprisonment was excessive for self defense
The idea that you’re expected to use just enough force to subdue an attacker, as if you could know how much force that is, is one of the stupidest laws in most places
It boggles the mind that a jury sentenced this guy. I would truly want to have a sit down with the jurors and asked why exactly they convicted someone who killed out of self-defense. What sort of dopey rationalization do you go through to agree to the idea that you should not be allowed to defend yourself.
When a big guy is coming for you and you have a knife. In the heat of the moment, you think you're aiming for a leg or is your only need to stop the person attacking you? People saying aim for arm or leg would not survive an attack.
Yea was little excessive, could of just used a pan or a roller pin, spatula. Just went full on kill mode at a fist fight. If he had a gun I'll understand
Couldn’t happen in America. Here you’re allowed to buttfuck someone with a knife if they break into your house. Just full-on Gaddafi them.
There's only one way to find out
Depends on the state and who's living in the house. I think, in Massachusetts, you're not allowed to defend unless there's a disabled person in the house.
You can’t buttfuck them with a knife but it is our god given right to blow them up with anti material rifle
Can confirm. Have buttfucked intruder with blade. It was rubber Halloween knife and I used lube to make the event less traumatic. Burglar left crying like a bitch.
Any defense attorney in the country would take your case though as you’re very, very likely to get off.
Was it here in the states where that guy broke into a notorious gay criminal who happened to be a giant of a man. Said homeowner than captured the intruder and made him his gimp for weeks.
It's a free for all in Florida lol.
What did Gaddafi do?
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This guy is an honorary American. Good on you son. You made us proud.
Unless ur in Cali. Then you have to let them rob you
Just like the founding fathers intended.
As it should be.
It'll send a message to anyone else that wants to break into your house
I don't see why that's a problem. If someone breaks into my house, they obviously had horrible intentions from the start.
Average londoner
Yeah and some 14 year old redditor “why couldn’t they have just shot him in the leg - why have to shoot someone over just stuff?”
In Maryland we have duty to retreat laws where you basically have to hide and can only defend your home if they are breaking down the door to get to you specifically
they actually just made up an excuse to jail him because of his haircut
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No cap
No kizzy
Reasonable
Hair cut? Nah mate look at that ear.
Horrible fucking Justice system
Well now someone needs to go for the judge so that in the future they know if they get someone in jail because of dumb shit like this they will be fucked up
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Germany has one of the most extensive self-defense rights in the world
Austria here: friend of mine got assaulted in the middle of a bar,told the guy to stop harassing the bartender There's cctvs capturing how he got attacked by the guy a few times Friend throws punch breaks assailants nose Assailant sues friend and is granted € 5k+
In Europe you get sued by the bad guy.
Self euthanasia though....
Sometimes it feels like this is totally inescapable. Like not even just real, life threatening stuff, but basic bullying in middle school. I still remember fucking yelling at my bully to fuck off as he was beating the shit out of me and being sent to the principal for daring to swear. Meanwhile, I'm all bruised and I can't put pressure on my left leg because it feels like my knee will implode. On the other hand, that lil' shit got off with a "stern talking to" with the teacher that absolutely adored him. Thankfully, the trauma had led to me not leaving my room / house unless I absolutely have to, so I am minimizing danger, at least.
It’s the same in Canada.
2w3
Luckily it's never necessary
there is no such thing as "excessive" use of force when your life is in risk
Should I be able to rape my home intruder?
yet we call out cops for shooting people when they feel as if their lives are at risk
I’d argue that it could be considered if you injure a bunch of bystanders
If you have a brain, there is.
Intruder was unarmed and had allegedly had his car vandalised by the other guy earlier in the night.
what a fucking cucked 'justice' system, jesus christ
The worst part is that people don't even get in trouble for theft etc here.
This is one of the drawbacks of some European justice systems. Like what is one supposed to do in such a situation? Offer the thief a cup of tea? If you enter someone's house in the dead of night, be prepared to die. It is that simple.
In America we have a simple solution.
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I don't know the answer, but I have heard the correct protocol according to them is to quietly wait aside for the police to come. Obviously this is 100% Farm-Grade Maneur, but I hear a lot of people try to justify it. Lot's of people making laws that are very soft in the head, and there's a lot of laws out there that are "compassion for criminals"
Maybe on logical reason is that say you invited someone over, got in argument or something and killed them. You could then kill and claim self defense for anyone entering your home.
"Mr Justice McDermott said the damage done to the family was horrendous beyond words. Mr Power had been an exceptionally hard working young man, fuelled by his love for the sea and his father's encouragement."
Bruh, I thought he meant the defendant kid before I finished the quote
As an Irishman, besides his abhorrent (and sadly common) hairstyle, I think he was in the right. Someone breaks into your house in the night and tries assaulting you? Drunk or not if I have a knife it's disappearing into his chest.
On the flip side my mate was jumped for being gay and had his jaw broken. The 3 black lads that jumped him are well known has been more than a year and the gards haven't done a thing. Absolutely bananas
He kinda looks like Mr. Crocker from fairly odd parents
He could really use some fairy god parents right about now.
Holy shit he does. Complete with the ear coming out of his neck.
You're better off killing someone in self defense and trying to get rid of the body than calling the police.
quite poetic
Yeah the irish and uk justice system is fucked.
And Australia, they're all similar.
for once I side with America, if someone breaks into your house you got every right to use lethal force if they get violent
You can even drop that qualifier. Break-in = time for violence.
Euroland is fucked. Thank God for America.
Are you overweight?
Lol have fun with all the looting and shit and having your face and name plastered around your whole nation when you defend yourself.
For all its faults this is why America is a better country as he could have shot that fucker 20 times in the head and everyone would be cool with it.
Cops: so a home invader entered your house and threatened you? What next?
lol no. If u shoot someone you have to prove that it was self defense. America's justice system is just as fucked.
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Clown World
This is the difference between a Subject and a Citizen
He should be jailed for that hairstyle instead.
Nah, he was a minor, whatever barber looked at these ears and gave him that haircut should be jailed. Literally a cartoon character
The Irish news stories on this are wild. They really paint the guy who got shanked as some sort of Saint and valued member of the community. It was fucking weird. And then the judge’s comments were very out of left field.
yeah i was reading it like 'wtf' the whole time.
Irish George Floyd
Property is sacred.
*Rich peoples property is sacred.
I feel like his fuckng atrocious haircut is distracting some people from how utterly fucked this situation (and by extension, self-defense laws as a whole in Ireland and UK) is. This lad is getting time for defending himself and his mum. Fuckkng clown world
Hey Barber you watch peaky blinders?
Geeky Blinders
You only get one get out of jail free card and he wasted his on that hairstyle.
I know that every time I am awoken in the middle of the night by an intruder the 1st thing I do is refer to my state's laws then I refer to federal laws before acting
Proceeds to break into judge's home, judge uses self defence, sue for abuse and win using this case, grofit
Frfr no cap
I'd like to read the whole story instead of trusting /pol/'s condensed narration, kthx
Nah what this guy said is basically correct you can search Dean Kerrie online to find out more
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Someone that agrees with the court's decision on this give me the hypothetical on what was supposed to happen, because I'm completely stumped.
I’ve heard that some people expect you to just call the police and hide while there’s a possibly armed intruder inside your own home.
You're obviously supposed to use a knife which has a blade shorter than [arbitrary length requirement for a "weapon"] to stab and kill the attacker
Guy was stabbed outside the house when walking away. Guy who stabbed him tried to hide evidence.
Break into a house here in Alabama and getting out alive would be the best you could hope for. They're not usually that lucky! We don't play that crap down here!
I imagine if someone breaks into your house at night and you're both armed, the intruder has the advantage.
Cringe
He stabbed only once, I think that is appropriate.
Here in America every citizen has the right to promote home intruders into a missing persons
As a wise man once said “if someone comes to your home at night doesn’t have blood “ and “ if a man comes to kill you wake up first and kill him”
The judge is an ass. You can sit there and listen to all the facts but you'll never understand how that kid felt. When you're being attacked by someone you're not thinking rationally, you're trying to defend yourself with all means available.
Is this one of the few times it’s better to live in the US? At least there you can defend your home
Poor dude. Its a shame we aren't allowed to defend ourselves in those situations.
Excessive force is the only appropriate amount of force for a home intruder when your family is in danger.
Typical eurocuck, getting jailed for a simple bruh moment
"justice" system my ass
Are we not gonna talk about his ears?
had to scroll way too far for this
I believe if someone breaks into ur house their life is forfeit
He would've been a national hero if he used a car bomb instead of a knife
To all fellow euro people. If you defend yourself against an attacker, do not call the police. 1. They really are fucking useless for the victims, 2. Calling them is just asking to get in trouble. Self defence laws basically don’t exist.
Same here in Europe. If someone break in you can only use the "same force" as the burglar or attacker.
With those ears I’m convinced dudes a leprechaun
Austria here: friend of mine got assaulted in the middle of a bar,told the guy to stop harassing the bartender There's cctvs capturing how he got attacked by the guy a few times Friend throws punch breaks assailants nose Assailant sues friend and is granted € 5k+
>Ridicule us for people getting shot in schools.
Does every 17yo Tyler wakes up one day and thinks to himself: I want PUBES on my head? Like really what's up with curly hair? Is ancient Greeks popular now?
There's gotta be more to the story than this.
That o in older looks scuffed My man put in a Hebrew letter in his סlder
Ahhh, western Europe...
And people there can't do anything about it? Everybody just watches as a innocent person loses years of his life in jail? Can't they do something? God, this pisses me off
Link to article:
In Texas I can kill someone if I catch them breaking into my car lmao
Maybe you legally can but you're still going to prison if you do that.
b-but at l-least we h-have free Healthcare
>birdnest hairstyle
Most fair European judicial conclusion
Honestly one thing America does right is the ability to kill an intruder in your home if left with no other option.
Its like his ear is trying to get away from his face
Even this dude’s ears are down about the verdict
Why are his ears stuck on sideways?
Even his expression says “oi, whats all this then?”
anyone who has that hairstyle deserves to go to prison
MF got ears like Denzel Crocker from Fairly Odd Parents
Irish judges and politicians live in well-off communities and are pretty immune to the scum of the earth. I wonder whether they will ever change their judgments when they and their families become victims of a home invasion or other violent crimes — the pathetic Irish judicial system at its finest. This is why criminals gets bolder SMH.
Kind of surprised by this. Youths in Ireland usually get away with anything because guards won’t prosecute minors, petty crime is out of hand these days because of it.
It wasn't raped or robbery so it won't be suspended
zommie? is that a portmanteau of a zoomer and a zombie? or just a spelling error
At least here America I can vaporize my intruders with an anti-tank rifle and be a hero, not go to jail.
Im sure thats just Phil Foden with a slightly shittier haircut
City players have the most incredible back stories
His ear looks like God forgot to give him one at first so pulled one out of the lost and found bin for him nd hastily jammed it on in almost the right spot.
Was considered excessive because the intruder wasn't armed. Literally could have been a 10 year sentence if he was a year older.
Homie accidentally rotated the ear placement during character creation
In short, wait until you're buried 6 feet under before using self-defense. You can't be charged for self-defense if you did not defend yourself.
Poor kid already had his house broken into and has to live with the fact that he killed a man for the rest of his life. If you don't want to get stabbed don't break into someone's house
Dude looks like Cousin Lumpy from the Adams Family
IIRC there was a different case where the home owner got charged for using excessive force defending his home.
It's only excessive force if you destroy your room or house killing the criminal
He deserves it for the haircut.
Aye why he got them Denzel Crocker ears
Anybody who uses force against a home intruder and doesn't say "They said 'I'm going to kill you', so I assumed they were going to kill me" is making a big mistake. They're in your home, your words vs theirs I bet yours wins
That guy looks like a dumbo rat with rusty steel wool glued to his head
Is that ear normal?
Wait what I thought like he went mental and like stabbed the dude 30 times but only once? Even when I thought it was the other I thought imprisonment was excessive for self defense
Average European self defense law
it’s just unfair tho
Well what am I supposed to do then. Is there a dial somewhere that reduces force of attack? How do you even measure excessive force.
Zoomer Denzel Crocker lookin ahh
Which category was this under?
He is the troll on the bridge
The idea that you’re expected to use just enough force to subdue an attacker, as if you could know how much force that is, is one of the stupidest laws in most places
Why do lawmakers believe you should have to make it a fair fight if you’re defending yourself, it’s so incredibly stupid
Judge expected him to politely ask the intruded to leave and then walk him out with a pat on the back
Goes to jail, makes shiv, saves Irish taxpayers a lot of money.
This is the same outcome in sweden, but on the other hand if you rape someone and held in custody one year too long you get $75k
The UK is a fucking laughing stock when it comes to self defense
Same thing in vietnam, you stab someone for self defense and you still go to jail nevertheless
He just needed to put a bigger knife in the hands of the Intruder, justified self defense
It boggles the mind that a jury sentenced this guy. I would truly want to have a sit down with the jurors and asked why exactly they convicted someone who killed out of self-defense. What sort of dopey rationalization do you go through to agree to the idea that you should not be allowed to defend yourself.
Be me, drunk
Why did he spell older using the Hebrew letter for S
Intruder attacks me
Only psycho of the intruder
The legend himself appears
Intruder busts in my door
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When a big guy is coming for you and you have a knife. In the heat of the moment, you think you're aiming for a leg or is your only need to stop the person attacking you? People saying aim for arm or leg would not survive an attack.
The reality of the British isles
Yea was little excessive, could of just used a pan or a roller pin, spatula. Just went full on kill mode at a fist fight. If he had a gun I'll understand
Hello, it looks like you've made a mistake.
Or you know that guy could've just not broken into his house