But you don't understand art

  1. FYI. It’s Cy Twombly. I was at an art museum once (I think it was the Philadelphia museum of art) and they had thousands of gorgeous masterpieces. And then they had one room with his work in it and it had guards all around it and security cameras. It was bizarre. The art looked basically like this.

  2. It's not unprecedented for modern art to get defaced or attacked for weird ideological reasons. This video essay talks a lot about the subject, with a couple specific examples of examples of similar modern art being defaced or destroyed. Seems like this museum wasn't taking that chance.

  3. At first glance, stuff like this seems very simple and pointless. But when you consider the size, how did they make that? The scribbles are taller than the person standing beside it. It’s deceptively simple.

  4. This comment is derivative bullshit. First of all his name was Ongo Goblogian and secondly how would you even know the name of the museum when a man blew the sign off the building ages ago

  5. glad you corrected the name, but I think the more familiar you become with his work the greater appreciation. I get that at first glance it seems almost brutally simple, but there's a lot to it, and you might not be the target audience. is he my favorite artist, nah. but in the context of the group he emerged with he's doing some unique albeit narrow-audienced work.

  6. Modernism is a deadend regarding art. Of course it is a path what has been walked but it doesn’t evolve beyond that. It is interlectualised and far far from the world of experience of normal people.

  7. Dudes probably confused because none of his actual art is hung up anywhere but the scribble pads from when he was trying to get the damn pen to work are everywhere.

  8. Idk I always thought Jackson pollock was a pretentious douche until I saw his pieces in person and kinda got it. This idk if I’d have the same feeling

  9. Also, when he made those, almost no none had thought of it before--no one with the connections to get their work in galleries at least.

  10. I mean the thing with modern art is it's all about symbolism over aesthetics. There's a piece called "Untitled (A Portrait of Ross in LA)" that is literally a mountain of brightly wrapped candy and people are encouraged to take a piece. It sounds silly and pretentious, but the artist then said that the candy weighed as much as his late boyfriend did when he was first diagnosed with AIDS. Taking the candy is symbolic of how he withered away over time. Also,

  11. Jackson Pollock also created that type of art before anyone had ever created anything like it in his time. Just like my art history professor used to say “It looks like my 7 year old could have made that. Yeah, but they didn’t.”

  12. I don’t know much about art, but I can even see the point in these paintings. Maybe not $75 million worth but as the post stated, we all used to make scribbles like this. He just managed to capture that same stroke and idea but on a much larger scale, which to me is kind of impressive.

  13. See I think Pollack was truly doing modern art and doing something nobody had done while still employing skills like color theory and composition. Even the giant square guy (Rothko) does that, but this feels really lazy.

  14. Looks like an accident with a bottle of ketchup when dad's smacking the arse end of it to get the fucker to come out onto the plate.

  15. It just symbolizes the blood of the regular people, smashed by the system, and the rich like to have stuff like that on their walls.

  16. I've known millionaires who collected art. They were morons about it. They knew nothing about art, and didn't care, and didn't even buy pieces based on liking them.

  17. I know a guy who got really deep into NFT shit. And he knew I had an art background and started sourcing me for information about this one collection that was going on sale. Some dude named Boonji. I didn't know a fuckin thing about him but a quick google search revealed he was involved in some scam with a lady that was on Howard Stern. That's it. His whole CV was bullshit showings.

  18. The trick to selling art is being able to get along with the dumbest guys you can find, ideally before they join a cult or health scam. If you can find a chiropractor or someone who regularly sees a psychic you can start making art. What’s art is decided by who’s buying not who’s making.

  19. Art is just a form of investment. It's a lot like NFTs, if you can convince enough rich idiots of it's value you make bank, if not your left in the beach holding your nuts. If you think that's bad, money is exactly the same except everyone bought into it.

  20. Modern art actually only encompasses the late 1800s to the mid 1900s, this would actually be considered contemporary art.

  21. Money laundering, not tax evasion. You’ll be taxed on the transaction anyway but the art sale gives a legitimate front to the transfer of money. Works like this:

  22. From what I know from art (getting a degree in it) you don't have to be the best, you just have to be the first. Modern art is really hard to judge and like most said, it seems a lot of being pretentious with a heavy dose of money laundering. Modern art critics eat this shit up if you have a good enough story. I still enjoy the best paid artist was a Facebook artist who took a percentage of the companies profit instead of a flat fee.

  23. I don't understand what you're trying to say. Plenty of his contemporary critics hated his work. Everything being said about the featured paintings here was said about Nude Descending a Staircase and that was before he really got weird. Given the context of the post it reads more like they're the ones who convinced the world that a toilet could be art.

  24. Sometimes it’s just the scale. Went to something at the Whitney and they had an artist and the painting was okay but because it was on these massive canvas it looked impressive. Now a Jackson pollock on a small scale is amazing because you know the backstory but if you didn’t it would be meh. So key to art is scale and a good riveting backstory.

  25. Seriously, like yeah you can do crayon swirls on 8.5x11" but goddamn those are some big crayons being controlled with that level of ferver and dexterity on an enormous scale and that alone implies how much effort and care was put into mimicking that effect to get that outcome at that scale

  26. In this case it's all back story (name brand). As in the artist is famous for normal paintings, and decided to do a few dumb ones. When you have that kind of name brand recognition, you can do anything you want on a canvas and people will buy it up because it has your signature on it.

  27. Scale I can go along with, but backstory gets a bit more complex when it comes to judging art. There’s a popular concept in literary criticism called the “Death of the Author” which, in simple terms, talks about the necessity for the idea of the creator of art and their backstory to disappear when giving a piece meaning, and that meaning should be inferred by the individuals within the audience. That is a very rudimentary way of describing a very complex essay, so I highly recommend reading the actual piece. I don’t agree fully with the “death of the author” argument, because obviously backstory and biography of artist can help to understand their work. However there is an interesting question to pose; If the author’s(or in this case, artist’s) intention and own perceived does not come across in the art itself, and needs to be explained by the artist, is that meaning and value truly inherent to the piece? Or is the artist spelling out meaning simply a manipulative tactic to take some of the burden of expression and clarity off their shoulders, and basically make their job easier?

  28. Seen ones in the top photo in person a few times now, excellent paintings. The scale is really overwhelming, and you realise how much physical effort, and to a degree, dexterity, it would take to make them. They are huge, continuous marks, with a sense of directional continuity to the design (hard to tell from that shitty photo, but they flow from left to right in a way that emulates writing) of the image as whole, which makes them dynamic and intense to look at in person. It is also very entertaining to see people at the entrance of the room, often taking the piss out of the paintings, wander in and go very, very quiet. Yeah, it is weird. I personally enjoy them because I think they are awesome pieces for the afore mentioned reasons, and that they look fun as hell, but respect it might not be to everyone's tastes. (This is like the visual art equivilent of Merzbow...) But it isn't boring, which is more than I can say for the millons of bland, perfect portrait paintings of sad looking young women.

  29. … This is by far the closet anyone has ever gotten to helping me understand modern/abstract art. Thank you.

  30. I literally just saw these paintings a few days ago and while I somewhat agree with your positive appraisal, I don't think it is fair to compare the color explosion art to the more classical art. In some of these modern pieces, no single color or stroke is truly intentional or necessary. They could change literally everything about the painting and have it project the same effect. Compare that to more traditional styles where every stroke is meticulously and deliberately placed and 100% necessary to the painting.

  31. The huge price tag and narcissistic attitude to think these meager scribblings could be worth more than someone's life savings absolutely ruins these pieces and any semblance that this person is still an "artist" and not a fucking sellout. Shred it like Banksy and then let's talk.

  32. Thank god! These Twombly pieces are amazing. I’ve seen them in person and don’t understand why anyone would think them facepalm.

  33. This kind of helped me understand what people see in it. But it makes me all the more depressed for all the guys who paint everyday for hourly that don't get to see million dollar profits.

  34. I guess the issue is that, by default, most people don't know much about physical art so they are results oriented over process oriented. Someone like me, who hasn't held a paint brush in 15 years, simply can't really feel the effort of a painting. I'll always judge purely on the end result which, in this case, isn't very appealing.

  35. I always try to put myself in the artists’ perspective and look at the effort and nuance for works like these, but honestly I still can’t enjoy it much. You might have heard this from others, but art for me is supposed to be the medium to express your feeling and technique. If one needs to clue the audience in with a paragraph of explanations even after they look at the work, then the painting itself simply loses a chunk significance. Even if I look at the technique and effort alone, I would consider this specific painting kind of boring. The size is impressive, but I can pretty much guess the method and the steps the artist took without much challenge. For even the traditional portraits I get to enjoy the composition and the general atmosphere of the painting from afar, and then examine up close to try and understand the drafted line work, the mixing of colors to form depth, and the order in which layers are added. And I think hard about the many choices the artist would make and what their style really says. When I consider all the components that those other artist have imbued into their mediums, I feel like something like this is still lackluster.

  36. Any halfway-serious teenager can do photorealism in pencil. How many drawings have you seen posted to reddit (with tens of thousands of upvotes) of a woman standing under running water

  37. Honestly I used to shit on modern art but then I went to a few just for the "LOLs" but then at one of those places I saw a piece that hit me harder than any other type of art has before. Ever since then I started giving the pieces more of an open mind and actually reading the plaques and approaching them at the level of the artist. I'd say if one of those people that look at this stuff and thinks "why" I highly recommend going to a few modern art museums and going at them with an open mind. Even saying that there's a lot of work that I just don't get or isn't my thing and that's completely ok

  38. Yes! I wish more people got that. It's not about liking every piece. It's about not being so fixated on what art should be that you're distracted form the art itself. It makes life so much more boring and stale. I'll be the first person to complain about any artwork's price but that doesn't mean I can't see their value.

  39. Thanks for sharing that! As an artist heavily influenced by the modern works, I love when an unexpected connection happens. Some things are just… not understood but wildly beautiful and not expected.

  40. as an artist this shit pisses me off lol. I could spend 40 hours on a piece of art and get $0 and 1 instagram like on it, but this guy can do something I could accomplish in all of 15 minutes and get more money than my brain can even fathom the sheer amount of

  41. Could you accomplish giant larger than life size single stroke paintings like this in 15 minutes? That is indeed impressive.

  42. The beauty of these masterpieces is that they perfectly encapsulate the absolute bullshit observed in many modern works of overpriced high art.

  43. They make beautiful wallpaper. But the idea of standing in front of one, contemplating it as to digest some complex idea, is ludicrous. As for the price tag, that’s NFT logic. Each is a unique, handmade object by a “famous” artist. Useful products for speculators and money launderers, and bragging rights for billionaires.

  44. Tell me you’re spelling phonetically without telling me you’re spelling phonetically 😂😂 the correct spelling is Cy Twombly

  45. A lot of Art only works the way it is supposed to, if you are actually there and actually looking at it. Of course there will still be stuff, that doesn't 'speak' to everyone but still, I would hold back on critique if you have, in fact, not experienced something for yourself.

  46. Yeah but then I can't just post "money laundering" in the comments and what am I supposed to do then? Not get mad on Reddit?

  47. Damn this thread is sad... You don't have to like abstract art, but to insist that no one likes it and that it's a scam for the wealthy is deranged.

  48. It's not the modern artists' fault. But if more money than you'll see in your life is being traded for a canvas with splatters on it, people are right to feel like there's something wrong with a system that allows that. A lot of people just wrongfully blame the art.

  49. The reason this stuff got big in the '50s and '60s, and definitely the reason Cy's work is pricey, is due to stuffy types (like in this thread) who whine about it being easy and 'my kid can do it' and what not. The folded arms and furled brows of critics made enjoying this type thing more enjoyable.

  50. Thank you. Well put. All these basic takes on modern art ITT are worrying. The sheer volume of dipshits is crazy!

  51. Don't even have to read the comments for some wanna be savant to enlighten us that "art's a scam bro i know more about tax evasion than the IRS".

  52. Some of his work actually makes a lot of sense, some are about rhythm, others are very intricate despite the perceived randomness and have "hidden" messages and symbols in them. The guy used to be a cryptographer so his work derives from that.

  53. If you are ever in Houston you can see Cy’s work in all its glory for free at the Menil Colection. Highly recommend taking something mind altering before going.

  54. If I tried, I could eat nothing but greasy chinese food for a week, get a canvas, spray fucking cocoa spatter all over it, make up some pretentious bullshit about why we live in a dystopia, and probably get a few million dollars for it.

  55. Scale does alot for impact. And materials. I doubt toddlers and using giant canvases and artist quality paint. Art is not just aesthetic but philosophy.

  56. In Germany is every year an art exhibit,Documenta. The year I was able to visit they had one instalation that was visually the most uninteresting one, but the only one I truly still remember and are to today almost 40 year later, still impressed about. The artist drilled a 1km (I believe) hole in the ground and filled it with molten metal so that there was an arrow pointing down into the ground 1 km long. We saw the pictures of the construction, heard what the artist did (not sure anymore what it was supposed to mean) we were all so excited! And then there it was! A little spot on the ground, a bit bigger then a dollar coin! As I said, unimpressive to look at, but man!

  57. all art is just money laundering. just make a line and have a guy value it alot and donate the art piece i forget the details exactly that they do to get away with it

  58. Twombly is one of the most important early figures of this genre. He was trained in art, he sculpted, he worked hard. And he wanted to do work like this.

  59. I think it is useful need to distinguish between "art" in a general, esoteric sense and the "art market". The "art market" and all its actors (museums, collectors, art handlers, gallerists, insurers, etc) are all part of a speculative, capitalistic process that attaches monetary value to an object that has no inherent value or utility besides serving as something we can appreciate with one or more of the senses. Sometimes the monetary value attached to a work of art follows the logic of supply and demand (think "scarcity"). Sometimes it it all hype.

  60. Hey! There's a truckstop bathroom stall worth MILLIONS just down the road! Looks like my toilet bowl after eating chili for a straight week.

  61. Saw the man speak at a gallery exhibition when I was a teenager, hearing him describe his process and motivation was identical to looking at his work, confounding, repetitive and a total waste of time.

  62. I hate modern art what the hell is that. My parents always say it’s about how they blend the colors and stuff but sorry it’s so stupid

  63. The difference is that this artist knows the right people in need of laundering money for taxes, and you do not. /s?

  64. It's almost like the price of art is not related to the quality of work but is instead an overinflated fictitious value assigned by money laundering companies to help billionaires transfer billions through the fine arts market.

  65. The art industry these days is just a tax dodge and money laundering scheme. Don't pay any mind to the actual price tags on modern art. They are entirely arbitrary and are just there to fit the amount of money fat cats needs to "donate" away to avoid a certain tax bracket.

  66. Well how else would a billionaire get a $75M tax deduction for donating a worthless painting? Art donations is probably one of the bigger scams in philanthropy.

  67. Everytime you complain about modern art being overpriced and simple, an abstract artists gets their wings.

  68. Long time ago at the museum of metropolitan art in NY my buddy and I decided to sit down on a bench near two random double doors inside the museum and stare intently as if we were studying them. literally dozens of people stopped to “observe” the doors thinking they were art.

  69. When you look how hard people work to create Art like Films, Books, Comics and Videogames and see some dude spit on it with these stupid "Artworks"

  70. But if the critics, auction houses and galleries don’t value it as worth something then it’s worth Fuck all. There is way more to the art world than “I don’t like that, must be money laundering”

  71. If this guy is a famous artist, then everyone is a famous artist. Guys like michaelangelo and Leonardo Da Vinci drew, sculpted, and painted beautiful scenes and objects in exquisite detail. You can find more talented people on DeviantArt and Etsy.

  72. To give all of you who aren't in art/business an idea why such art is appraised as high (it doesn't mean it's worth that much).

  73. That adds no value though. There’s lots of low value things that i could do. Like stand on one foot for four hours. If somebody else did it and tried to impress me with it.. I’d say ‘it’s not impressive because i could easily do it’. It doesn’t matter that i didn’t do it, it’s still useless.

  74. Art like this exists solely to launder money and scam insurance companies. They have these jackasses scribble on a wall and destroy the “art” removing the exhibit and reap the payout

  75. The "power" and "something" that people are telling us about these modern art pieces are caused by the fact you're in a museum setting, it's ginormous and dominating, and contrast from the other more complex art pieces. If you were to see that painting at a home improvement store in smaller size, you wouldn't feel this something.

  76. Art industry is now a big money laundering scheme. A rich person from China will commission an artist in US, have it appraised as worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, sell it to self and now be able to move money from China to US. Drug lords can also clean their money this way.

  77. I wonder when we all will realize that these paintings really are not being sold for that amount of money. They are tokens essentially. Used by the elites to launder money. Simple

  78. God this is fucking stupid anyone who enjoys this or assigns value to it probably makes similar pictures at home whilst wiping the drool from their chin so why pretend like it's something great

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