America’s hottest city is nearly unlivable in summer. Can cooling technologies save it? Phoenix’s new ‘heat tsar’ is betting on less asphalt, more green canopy and reflective surfaces to cool the sprawling heat island

  1. The 5th largest city in the US is in the middle of a desert, and it competes with L.A. across the border, for water and energy resources. It hasn't made sense since the 90s, but it keeps growing. This is what a future ghost town looks like.

  2. It would take a lot of plumbing and planning, and I doubt Phoenix will be able to do this in old neighborhoods, but by filtering sewage into grey water, you could gain a substantial supply for below ground irrigation.

  3. Jon Talton has been recommending this for decades. No one listens. Americans have chosen The Valley Of The Sun as a mass suicide spot. Phoenix will be littered with corpses in a hundred years.

  4. I know some folk can't choose where they live due to economic hardship, family, etc. , but who actively decides to move to a place like Phoenix?

  5. I moved to Phoenix from southeast Louisiana this past June. And imo Louisiana summer heat is worse. With a dry heat, shade is at least useful. You literally can’t get away from the heat in Louisiana.

  6. Maybe - and i know this is shocking - we should focus on building cities in habitable areas instead of places that have the carrying capacity of a grocery bag?

  7. I moved to phoenix from florida and I'll take phoenix summers over a southern summer anyday. In the south as soon as you step outside your clothes begin to drench with sweat and never dry. When you go back inside you just have to dump everything in the laundry and start your day over whetther you're in the shade or not. It may be unbearably hot in phoenix for 3 months but the last few years that I lived in florida we never turned the ac off and it was 80 with 100% humidity in the winter. At least in phoenix I can have the windows open in my house from November to april and not need to run the ac.

  8. I've lived more than 10 summers in the Phoenix metro area. The city is a testament to man's hubris and shouldn't exist. To be comfortable from late May to early October you need to go directly from an air-conditioned building to an air-conditioned car. Unless you are actively sitting in a pool or lake, it is unbearable. If the city wasn't pumping in water from the Colorado River, it would be like living on the surface of Mars.

  9. Exactly. My comment got hella downvoted because I stated that I lived in Tucson and I’d take the 6 months of summer here over 6 months of winter in half of the other states and I’m getting the whole “I’d take the salt on the roads over unlivable heat etc etc etc”. Is the sun hot? Yea. But you can still enjoy the outdoors YEAR ROUND here. It’s January 28th and I rode my motorcycle to work this morning. But to each their own, if the members of this sub want to downvote someone’s comment for stating their opinion about living conditions then so be it I’m gonna enjoy the 70 degree January weather that’s forecasted today lol

  10. Tucson resident here. Yes the summers are brutally hot, and yes iTs A dRy HeAt, but it beats living in a region of the US where the streets are covered in salt because it’s brutally cold 6 months out of the year and your car falls apart from rust.

  11. Can confirm after having moved here from the north east. We got here at the end of July. It was consistently 115 degrees but it wasn’t terribly unbearable. Granted due to pandemic we also weren’t going out much and both worked from home.

  12. I completely understand what you're saying. I moved from MN because it gets ridiculously fucking cold in the winter, like it's unbearable. Car doors freezing shut, cars not starting, and yes alot of salt is used. I would honestly choose AZ over the extreme cold as well if I had to. Also MN gets pretty humid as well and the summers can get very hot, not as much as the south, but still very uncomfortable. I'm thankful to be living in a relatively temperate area now.

  13. Arizona is fragile with respect to temps. Ditch the single family homes and build vertical to reduce heat gain. The heat stress with go on longer at higher temps.

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