GDP per capita isn't really income per capita though. North Dakota has pretty low income per capita, but they have a crap ton of mineral wealth that corporations get to claim, for example.
Crazy thing is how Mississippi is ahead of a vast majority of the rest of the world. I forget where I saw it, but there was a map with all the countries in the world with a lower GDP per capita than Mississippi. It was like 96% of the world
And they’re all fine with that. Mississippi is a leach on this country. They take sooooo much federal aid and, as you can see here, offer little to nothing in return. I grew up there and can tell you that large majority do not think data is beautiful.
I assumed Wisconsin since he played for the packers but apparently it was Mississippi. The state with the lowest GDP. That’s the state that Brett Farve stole federal money aimed at alleviating hunger to its poorest citizens.
Yeah but the cost of living is crazy so it's not like everyone there is living a super luxurious life. I have a friend who lives in upstate New York and even though her family made like double what my family made growing up, their house was probably half the size of my childhood home. That house in New York would probably cost like 5 times what it costs in my state.
The new colour for over $100K on the map does make it look a bit more of a difference than it actually is though. It's actually only narrowly over that margin at 102K pc —Massachusetts is 97K pc and North Dakota is 96.5K pc.
Crazy that the poorest state - Mississippi has a higher per capita than many European countries, including the UK. That is not to say that the average Brit has a significantly worse living standard than Mississippians, certainly not after accounting for healthcare and other goodies.
True but if you take into account state programs the US still comes way out ahead of pretty much every EU country. So at the end of the day not much actually changes.
The government does not make life better for its citizens. At best it can make life worse for some citizens to make it a little better for other citizens, but often what is seen as making life better does the exact opposite.
Eh, there are a lot of other factors that go into real purchasing power or cost of living indexes than income. Example: US pays 2x for health care per capita. That's like $6-8k right there.
I live in Idaho and I'm so lucky that I bought my home (that I'd be perfectly happy living in until I'm too old to take care of it) 10 years ago. The last few months home prices have dropped a bit, but still a perfectly average home in an average neighborhood is 350k in my area. No way I could be where I am for anywhere near what I paid for it. Now if I can only manage to afford the property taxes lol
This map would be great if it included cost of living, so you would understand where you are actually making more, if someone has time or the skills please make it! (Also for Europe would be cool)
Once we figured out how to get at the oil in the Williston basin, we had a nice little oil boom. I know the whole “fracking bad” thing but now that the oil boom has slowed the state is sitting on several billion dollars to hopefully fix shit with
Not sure where this data came from, but the number for NY the past several uears was 76k. For it to be over 100K now per capita implies it grew by over 24% in 2022.
I’m disappointed in MA not being #1. I bet if it was just the Eastern half it would be. Time to give Western MA to CT and VT. It’s practically part of those states already
People from northern Iowa like to say that if the Iowa-Missouri border was moved north to put southern Iowa in Missouri, it would raise the average intelligence of both states.
These comments are funny. Let's divide a country in its rich and poor parts and compare them to whole countries. You can divide any country into its rich and poor parts and try to push whatever narrative you want.
Mmm that’s good too. I live near Boston but technically work in PIttsburgh. I’ve always thought about whether it would be justified to ask for a raise due to the vast difference in cost of living (lived in Pittsburgh but had to move to MA). Anyone have experience with that?
I’m a bit of a noob to data science and presentation but I think the way this data is presented will lead to a bias in how people interpret it. There’s a stark change in the colors between 60k-70k and those below it leading the monkey brain we all have to immediately assume that they (lower ranking states) are much worse off GDP wise than they actually are. I’ll grant they’re bad but I would’ve presented the data much differently. Again I’m new to this so I’m open to being wrong
I tend to agree with you - I would've chosen a single color with gradients or potentially draw the color change at above/below the poverty line and depicted it as the zip code level.
Be a cop. They earn 60k+ on the low end starting out in broward country. No degree needed. And you get to beat people up. Dilute their wages by joining them. Why let your tax money go to shit people? You could take it yourself.
The cost of living is so insanely high in NYC that any company that wants to do business there has to offer insanely high salaries, and the state is governed by a pretty liberal group, so tax rates tend to be high to support infrastructure and social programs.
It's actually where a lot of folks retire - the taxes there are extremely low. As long as you're not trying to live directly on the coast or in a resort town, the cost of living is pretty low. Plus, a good chunk of it is a swamp.
I spent most of my life in West Virginia and have literally never heard that saying, but yeah, Mississippi really is the ONLY reason they're not last in everything.
Some of those states have very low populations, so places like Wyoming have a higher per capital number probably due to the wealth generated by mining and the like.
The actual government employees get paid fairly modestly. The average gets pulled upwards by all the consultants and contractors who technically don’t work for the government but essentially do get rich off our tax dollars.
What does per capita even mean in our capitalist systems? I mean, i could live a mile away from a billionaire, still be hitting a food pantry. That’s America for you.
What kind of question is this? Per capita just tells you how much money is generated/exchanged per person in that area. This map isn’t commenting on cost of living or quality of life
Inspite of the nice purple ($100,000) color, so much of northern NY is an economic wasteland. Too many of the northern cities were highly dependent on a single industry or employer that no longer exists.
Exactly! I hate statistics which assume splitting geography by state makes sense (ex: median home price for each state). NYC is worlds apart from the small towns upstate.
Isn’t New York higher due to the companies trading on the S&P and NASDAQ and filing their returns from there? Because I’d assume salaries in Cali are generally higher not just in tech, but in most fields, given how productive the economy is.
Most of the usual suspects are in the brown and red. LA, FL & MO can mostly be attributed to entertainment & vice industries - casino, crypto and other things. Was expecting GA to be darker, as Atlanta is a legitimate powerhouse.
How is North Dakota almost one of the most expensive places up there with California, I just moved from there to Minnesota, and it's not that expensive in Fargo? One of if not the largest Cities in the State!!!!!
Nobody asked about North Dakota. It's a fracking small population.
ND resident checking in.
But higher them most
I think ND is also a tax haven for banks. Looks productive to have a bunch of banks registered there.
I'm from and live in ND as well.
Poor Mississippi. Always at the bottom.
Cost of living is low here at least haha
GDP per capita isn't really income per capita though. North Dakota has pretty low income per capita, but they have a crap ton of mineral wealth that corporations get to claim, for example.
Crazy thing is how Mississippi is ahead of a vast majority of the rest of the world. I forget where I saw it, but there was a map with all the countries in the world with a lower GDP per capita than Mississippi. It was like 96% of the world
Hey! When you are doing well in a civilized part of Mississippi everything is cheaper x2! lol
🎶 started from the bottom and we’re (still) here 🎶
Try Puerto Rico. Our GDP is around $30K. Everything is expensive here
Mississippi fucking sucks.
Not always. It does have the highest murder rate per capita.
Ahead of most of Europe
No sympathy. This is what happens when you elect and reelect the GOP to run your state. They do it to themselves.
And Ohio still gets all the hate
Alabama’s state motto: thank god for Mississippi
Maybe it's coz they counted money using Mississippis. Like 1 Mississippi 2 Mississippi and got bored after 50k
Not at all! Most religious, right? (Shared w Alabama, I believe)
Intentionally. "Poor" my ass, they only have themselves to blame.
In the famous words of Alabama, “Thank God for Mississippi!”
And they’re all fine with that. Mississippi is a leach on this country. They take sooooo much federal aid and, as you can see here, offer little to nothing in return. I grew up there and can tell you that large majority do not think data is beautiful.
What state did Brett Farve steal federal money aimed at alleviating hunger again to its poorest citizens?
I assumed Wisconsin since he played for the packers but apparently it was Mississippi. The state with the lowest GDP. That’s the state that Brett Farve stole federal money aimed at alleviating hunger to its poorest citizens.
You mean Jets legend Brett Favre?
NY on a whole other level.
Yeah but the cost of living is crazy so it's not like everyone there is living a super luxurious life. I have a friend who lives in upstate New York and even though her family made like double what my family made growing up, their house was probably half the size of my childhood home. That house in New York would probably cost like 5 times what it costs in my state.
Two words: stock market.
Empire State baby!
The new colour for over $100K on the map does make it look a bit more of a difference than it actually is though. It's actually only narrowly over that margin at 102K pc —Massachusetts is 97K pc and North Dakota is 96.5K pc.
Im guessing its because of the financial industry. They handle money for most people in other states.
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Crazy that the poorest state - Mississippi has a higher per capita than many European countries, including the UK. That is not to say that the average Brit has a significantly worse living standard than Mississippians, certainly not after accounting for healthcare and other goodies.
Good comment.
This is GDP, not income; so comparing it to the Brit’s in terms of standard of living means nothing.
True but if you take into account state programs the US still comes way out ahead of pretty much every EU country. So at the end of the day not much actually changes.
The government does not make life better for its citizens. At best it can make life worse for some citizens to make it a little better for other citizens, but often what is seen as making life better does the exact opposite.
Those colors don’t make any sense
This could be really interesting, but because I, like 10% of men, am red-green color blind, I’ll never know.
Love how even the LOWEST in the USA is average in almost all other countries, EU included.
Yep. US is stupidly wealthy.
Eh, there are a lot of other factors that go into real purchasing power or cost of living indexes than income. Example: US pays 2x for health care per capita. That's like $6-8k right there.
Qatar has more than double the GDP per capita of the U.S.
GDP per capita is a shitty metric for measuring how well people are living
Just look at the US prices though
What sad is that look at the housing prices for Idaho, and then compare them to the average GDP in Idaho.
This is why GDP per capita is a poor assessment within a country. Cost of living should also be included.
I live in Idaho and I'm so lucky that I bought my home (that I'd be perfectly happy living in until I'm too old to take care of it) 10 years ago. The last few months home prices have dropped a bit, but still a perfectly average home in an average neighborhood is 350k in my area. No way I could be where I am for anywhere near what I paid for it. Now if I can only manage to afford the property taxes lol
This map would be great if it included cost of living, so you would understand where you are actually making more, if someone has time or the skills please make it! (Also for Europe would be cool)
yay california!
This is GDP, not income. I think a lot of people are confused. Even the map may be confused
Source:
Always good to compare with purchasing power, or the value of 100 dollars per each state
It's GDP not income. Lot of missed assumptions in the comments.
I was gonna say. I’m from IL and no way is the average salary in the state 80-90k.
Exactly. The percapita gdp and the median incomes are not the same. My part of California the median houshold income is like 45k
Do you know what GDP per capita means?
And the southern states still out rank European countries by this metric 🤣😂
Europeans are far happier and healthier. 😂
How come we didn't plot Europe on here too like we usually do? No data for that? I'm sure they're kicking our asses like always, right?
What the hell they doin’ in North Dakota?
Destroying aquifers by fracking and fucking out the gas
Once we figured out how to get at the oil in the Williston basin, we had a nice little oil boom. I know the whole “fracking bad” thing but now that the oil boom has slowed the state is sitting on several billion dollars to hopefully fix shit with
You can buy anything in this world with the right oil.
fossil fuel extraction
Germany's GDP per capita is lower than Alabama's. Just sayin'.
I thought democrats has bad economics? (Sarcasm)
Now show me ratio of GDP to Median Income by state.
Here's Median income by state:
WHOOOOOOO richest state babyyyyyyy!!! Look at that purple!!!
Not sure where this data came from, but the number for NY the past several uears was 76k. For it to be over 100K now per capita implies it grew by over 24% in 2022.
The sad part is you can show this to everyone who lives in those states and no one will care
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What's funding North Dakota?
Some oil + the general northmidwest being well-off by default
Mississippi is still wealthier than most of Europe
Shiiiiit bro I better move to Mississippi then… im sure its a great place to live
Good thing standards of living doesn't really care all that much about GDP per capita.
And most of NY State’s GDP is generated in that dirty crime ridden socialist city called New York City run by Democrats. Ain’t it funny?
Wall Street and the big banks.. the dems love those guys
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"Democrats are lazy and don't wanna work!"
Surprise surprise red states suck
They were poor way before they were red.
Sorry, I can't hear you from inside my four bedroom house I got for $200k. Were you saying something about us being miserable or something again?
Conveniently forget that what $30 will get you in Georgia will cost about $100 in California
Texas has no state income tax. I only pay 19% of 75k in taxes.
And yet, they will always tell themselves that the blue states are the takers.
I’m disappointed in MA not being #1. I bet if it was just the Eastern half it would be. Time to give Western MA to CT and VT. It’s practically part of those states already
https://www.theonion.com/pretty-cute-watching-boston-residents-play-daily-game-o-1819574643
If NY was just southeast NY it would be ten times what eastern MA is.
Time for CT to finally take back the Southwick Notch
People from northern Iowa like to say that if the Iowa-Missouri border was moved north to put southern Iowa in Missouri, it would raise the average intelligence of both states.
I think we are depending on how you measure GDP per capita.
I’d like to see this chart with median income.
GDP is not a measure of wealth, but of money changing hands. No surprise the state with Wall Street is #1
money changing hands would be the velocity of money
I'm confused.... you realize there is also an incredible amount of wealth in NY right?
Ah, I see, another map showing that red states are "takers" and blue states are "makers". Color me shocked.
Except North Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Iowa, Kansas, Texas, Utah, and Alaska, I guess.
Blue states would starve without red
These comments are funny. Let's divide a country in its rich and poor parts and compare them to whole countries. You can divide any country into its rich and poor parts and try to push whatever narrative you want.
Should be: GSP = gross state product not; GDP = gross domestic product
It’s not even all of NY, it’s just a small little section of it called NYC…
This is where we move to eat the rich right
Alaska, killin it. That’s probably why they have ubi
They do not have UBI...it's royalty payments from leases for oil production.
Oil, mining, and fishing. And its not a UBI.
I'd rather be in Mississippi than New York at least people are probably very happy down there compared to New York it's the worst state
Yea I want all these trump motherfuckers to stop leeching off my state which apparently carries everyone below the mason dixon
Isn't gross per capita just mean average?
When did NY surge past to become the richest? For the longest time, poorer upstate cities and towns balanced out NYC's might.
The costs of housing in the dark areas definitely confirms this
It’s better to spend 30% of your $100k income on housing than it’s to spend 30% on $50k income. You still more money at the end of the day.
North Dakota is really taking that cash right below our noses
Mmm that’s good too. I live near Boston but technically work in PIttsburgh. I’ve always thought about whether it would be justified to ask for a raise due to the vast difference in cost of living (lived in Pittsburgh but had to move to MA). Anyone have experience with that?
I’m a bit of a noob to data science and presentation but I think the way this data is presented will lead to a bias in how people interpret it. There’s a stark change in the colors between 60k-70k and those below it leading the monkey brain we all have to immediately assume that they (lower ranking states) are much worse off GDP wise than they actually are. I’ll grant they’re bad but I would’ve presented the data much differently. Again I’m new to this so I’m open to being wrong
I tend to agree with you - I would've chosen a single color with gradients or potentially draw the color change at above/below the poverty line and depicted it as the zip code level.
How can people in HI stay afloat?
I wanna be the group in Florida that’s 60k+
Be a cop. They earn 60k+ on the low end starting out in broward country. No degree needed. And you get to beat people up. Dilute their wages by joining them. Why let your tax money go to shit people? You could take it yourself.
Combine this with the house price one.
Poor M-i-s-s-i-s-s-i-p-p-i. but cheer up, you’re still the first state that I learned how to spell 😂
LA Times : 'One third of gdp comes from just 31 counties.'
i want to move back to mississippi i hate the state i'm in
I'm surprised to see louisiana in the same category as few northern states. It has to be the refineries/oil industry.
Wish the would show New York as the 2 seperate places they are. Upstate is rural and poverty stricken.
Can you do
Damn NYS makes the most but has the highest tax burden in the county. Does anyone know how that works?
The cost of living is so insanely high in NYC that any company that wants to do business there has to offer insanely high salaries, and the state is governed by a pretty liberal group, so tax rates tend to be high to support infrastructure and social programs.
disinclude "financial services" & let's see
"Thank god for Mississippi" -Arkansas
New York amazing given the poverty in many areas upstate.
Meanwhile, if Apple were a government it would have a market cap larger than 96% of country GDPs, (including Italy, Brazil and Canada).
The chasm of Oregon between California and Washington is not a total surprise but still wild to see
The fuck is going on in north dakota?
Am I the only one that read GOP and not GDP? The ma0 means a whole different thing if it's GOP.
As a European I expected Florida, Oregon and Michigan to perform better. Especially Florida, isn't it like super expensive to life there?
It's actually where a lot of folks retire - the taxes there are extremely low. As long as you're not trying to live directly on the coast or in a resort town, the cost of living is pretty low. Plus, a good chunk of it is a swamp.
I don’t understand why people publish this crap when it is obviously bad data. I don’t think I have ever seen one of these that makes sense.
When you look at GDP per worker, it's even higher. About 60% higher.
I grew up in West Virginia, where we have a saying:
I spent most of my life in West Virginia and have literally never heard that saying, but yeah, Mississippi really is the ONLY reason they're not last in everything.
Some of those states have very low populations, so places like Wyoming have a higher per capital number probably due to the wealth generated by mining and the like.
Days like this I wish I weren’t coleur blinde
So D.C. sure does look like it's full of "public" servants, huh. It's almost like being in the government makes you rich.
The actual government employees get paid fairly modestly. The average gets pulled upwards by all the consultants and contractors who technically don’t work for the government but essentially do get rich off our tax dollars.
Poor selection of colors, IMHO confusing
What does per capita even mean in our capitalist systems? I mean, i could live a mile away from a billionaire, still be hitting a food pantry. That’s America for you.
What kind of question is this? Per capita just tells you how much money is generated/exchanged per person in that area. This map isn’t commenting on cost of living or quality of life
Hey, at least they have clean water in Missipp....damn it, that state blows.
Inspite of the nice purple ($100,000) color, so much of northern NY is an economic wasteland. Too many of the northern cities were highly dependent on a single industry or employer that no longer exists.
Exactly! I hate statistics which assume splitting geography by state makes sense (ex: median home price for each state). NYC is worlds apart from the small towns upstate.
Mississippi, you garbage can
Adjusting with PPP would be better.
Isn’t New York higher due to the companies trading on the S&P and NASDAQ and filing their returns from there? Because I’d assume salaries in Cali are generally higher not just in tech, but in most fields, given how productive the economy is.
Most of the usual suspects are in the brown and red. LA, FL & MO can mostly be attributed to entertainment & vice industries - casino, crypto and other things. Was expecting GA to be darker, as Atlanta is a legitimate powerhouse.
For Nebraska, does Warren Buffet skew numbers?
I never knew NH had money!
you forgot adjusted INCOME , newYork wont last long there
Obviously fake; Washington DC literaly taxes all the states.
I see why Brett Favre wanted money for those volleyball nets Mississippi isnt about to do a damn thing in house!!!
Every time I scroll Reddit, I'm given another reason not to go to Mississippi.
Now divide it by cost of living per state
How is North Dakota almost one of the most expensive places up there with California, I just moved from there to Minnesota, and it's not that expensive in Fargo? One of if not the largest Cities in the State!!!!!
What’s the deal with ND, that’s an unusual outlier, especially with the low cost of living there. Might be time to move.
What does DC even make? Product? What product? Ughh statistics
Bible belt holding the rest of us back as usual.
Would be a better illustration if it was GDP per debt ratio by state. Which states actually are positive??? CA is negative and I think so is NY
Old Miss is also the fattest state. Must be cheap food as well🤪
GDP💲🤑 > EDP🚨👮♂️
Not to say it's causal but a cool observation and comparison is the states that have
Good ol Kentucky still not quite at the bottom of the barrel, but close.