Well, that was an awful game and a worse outcome. Losing Wirfs was shit too. But, just remember, nothing we say in this thread changes the outcome. So please be civil or we'll kick you out of here faster than Donovan Smith letting Myles Garrett get to the QB. Please report any comments that break our rules.
Eagles up by 7 late in the 4th on Packers 40. Tried to draw them offsides then CALLED A TIMEOUT AND KICKED A FIELD GOAL. But Bowles says punt is the right call there.
Honestly, my biggest wonder right now is what the fuck is wrong with our strength and conditioning coaches. They must be doing a really shit job, considering how brittle literally ALL OF OUR PLAYERS ARE.
I know Mike is typically injured more often than not and plays through many injuries. Wondering if he had something lingering this game. He usually isn’t one that doesn’t have fire in him during games. So I’d personally give him the benefit of the doubt
Rule number one of being a Bucs fan - there is no such thing as a gimme game. In fact, gimme games for us are typically trap games. Rookie/Backup QBs? Weak teams? We play down to them all and somehow manage to lose.
It's so true. It's like he thinks you get a 7-point lead with 20 minutes left in the game, and the goal should just be to run out the clock from there.
Bowles cost us a second consecutive SB last year with that blitz play. Then got promoted. And is the reason were having one of our worst seasons ever (with the level of talent we have). Can’t forgive him for that
Ah you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!
Still don’t know how the 3rd Down plays designed to have the player stop WELL BEFORE the first down marker are allowed to be schemed at this point in the season. Coaches doubling down on schemes and calls that have CONSISTENTLY failed, literally definition of fucking insanity…
Only reason i aint selling my tickets for next game is because it might be my last chance to see Brady. But im damn sure gonna try to get a Fire Leftwich/Bowles chant going once the fuckery starts
Helluva catch for Cleveland end of 4th quarter. We had them stopped and the guy made a play. But we shouldn't of been in that spot. Our offense are the biggest underachievers in the league.
Remember when We constantly shat on Aaron Rodgers MVP case last year for being too efficient and not taking enough risks for their team to win? This offense is actively losing us games with their lack of scoring and lack of time on the field. We are legitimately struggling to put at least 20 points on the board, and in that regard, we are not that much different than the broncos where only that much wins us games.
The play before the tying touchdown at the end of the 4th quarter the Bucs had 3 timeouts and the clock was running with like 1:16 left and me and my Dad were screaming at the TV to call a timeout. Instead Browns run 35 seconds off the clock before tying TD pass and instead of getting the ball back with like 1:02 on the clock they get it back with 32 seconds. Also, maybe broken record but ended with fucking 2 unused timeouts, Dear God
Honestly, from what I saw being there, coaching wasn't the best and Brady didn't throw very well on crucial moments. That and Browns were blessed by the football gods or something, that TD that tied it and the secondary defender who fell at the end of the OT and The Bucs offense not being able to drive it down there in OT were what killed us. :(
you must be young. this is the life of a bucs fan... been this way since the beginning. the only time they were consistently good were the years of lynch, sapp, alstott etc... you never get used to it, but just grow to accept it....
Me and my old man were screaming at the fucking TV about that. Could have gotten the ball with like 1:02 and 2 timeouts instead of 32 seconds. Also ended the game with 2 unused timeouts....grrrrr
So who’s excited about Bowles now? Defensive coaches are too damned conservative and play not to lose, using obsolete “run-the-ball and play defense” strategy that last worked when Dungy had a HoF defense 20 years ago. Even back then the strategy was a dinosaur.
Donovan Smith ALWAYS commits an inexcusable penalty on the 4th quarter, specially in close games. That seems to be his thing, and if I CAN FREAKING NOTICE IT, why has no coach fixed it yet?
I don't get how we don't have a quick slant play to get a easy 5 yards. Like every other team in the league. Nothing to get this team in rhythm. Just chucking downfield on 3rd and short is not an answer
There is a girl who paints a picture of Jimmy G everyday until he is traded. It is so awesome. Is there anyway to have her do a picture of Bowles and Leftwich every day until they are fired?
Something has to change or this season will get away from us in a week or two. Be it coaching or players idk but this team looks soft, undisciplined, and not focused.
I still put it entirely on the offense. We had multiple chances to take Chubb out of the game. But we always kept it one score, which allowed them to keep going to him.
[Auman] Tristan Wirfs’ injury might not be a severe as feared. He walked around locker room, showered, had a boot on his left foot only as he left the locker room. There’s hope it isn’t as longterm as it could be.
Literally the end of the season if he's out for a significant period of time. Brady already has zero time to throw the ball, there's no way we win another game unless Jensen comes back, and we can move Hainsey over.
I saw the wild jump live that caused the injury and knew immediately what happened, when they showed Wirfs down. Don’t care to watch the actual replay of it though.
Anyone figure out why we didn’t take the field goal in the 3rd quarter? We were in the 32 before the purposely too the delay of game penalty I’m pretty sure
Our kicker's range is about 50 yards, so it was outside of something he could realistically kick. That said, we 10000% should have gone for it on 4th and 2. Makes no sense to punt there.
This was also the case in the second quarter right before Julio's catch. Two timeouts and nearly within Succops range. But no, he wanted to run a no huddle play.
He could have saved about 10 seconds on the last drive with a timeout and that's what the broadcast was focusing on, but we should have called a timeout when the Browns had the ball, which would have given us 1:10 for the drive instead of 0:30.
Just watched the press conference with Todd Bowles. He basically is still blaming execution and didn't think he did anything wrong with the timeouts at the end of regulation.
This is one of the most frustrating things about these coaches. It's one thing to make mistakes and then admit to them and try to improve. These coaches don't do that, they are incredibly stubborn and hard headed.
With bad coaching otherwise good teams often play to the team they're playing week to weak. Playing a good team, they go lights put. Playing a bad team they barely try. Seems to be what's going on this season.
His accuracy definitely seems off. He's always missed throws here and there but he's missed some big game changing throws this year. A few deep balls in overtime that wouldve been huge
I watch the other games/teams and their quarterbacks constantly get sacked, intercepted, they throw shit balls but have wide receivers and tight ends that make great catches that make the qb look good...not to mention they have good coaches as well. Tom Brady is not this teams problem.
2022 Brady based on QBR alone is better than 98% of Bucs’ QB seasons ever. With a talented WR corps & above-average D, there’s zero reason we should be below .500. This is all play-calling. Fire Lefty & Bowles.
Idk why you’re being downvoted. I just got out of a divorce. It doesn’t matter he is the GOAT, the divorce is 100% affecting him if you like it or not.
Any 13 year old kid playing Madden has a better grasp of game and clock management than our OC and HC; that's unbelieveable in itself but how come Brady, Licht or the Glazers just watch and don't step in?
Speaking of not calling a timeout I can't believe they didn't challenge or at least call a time out on the Evans out of bounds catch to see if they should challenge it. It's not like there's ever a scenario where we go phew thank God Todd Bowles saved that for later
Bruh how do you lose up 17-10 defense just did their thing and we have the ball back with 2:30? Fucking sus offense and coaching for real. Then just throw the towel in and let them win in OT.
Only thing keeping me going is that we're still in the lead for the division, and I'm hoping we turn it on at some point. But it's been quite a while since we've had such boring, frustrating games.
I don't think I've ever been this disappointed about a loss before. Just terrible. So many opportunities to extend our "rare" lead and we lose in OT smh... BUT we're still #1 in the division, the least sucky in the division according to the standings. Oh yay... 🙄
If anyone is watching chiefs/rams, the difference between our offensive scheme and theirs is mind boggling. Plays are creative, play calls are mixed up, defenses can’t just sleep walk through the game getting stops almost by default
Well, that was an awful game and a worse outcome. Losing Wirfs was shit too. But, just remember, nothing we say in this thread changes the outcome. So please be civil or we'll kick you out of here faster than Donovan Smith letting Myles Garrett get to the QB. Please report any comments that break our rules.
To be fair to Smith. Myles Garrett makes most people look underwhelming
Games like this is why we took a huge loss when Gronk retired
Eagles up by 7 late in the 4th on Packers 40. Tried to draw them offsides then CALLED A TIMEOUT AND KICKED A FIELD GOAL. But Bowles says punt is the right call there.
Honestly, my biggest wonder right now is what the fuck is wrong with our strength and conditioning coaches. They must be doing a really shit job, considering how brittle literally ALL OF OUR PLAYERS ARE.
I know Mike is typically injured more often than not and plays through many injuries. Wondering if he had something lingering this game. He usually isn’t one that doesn’t have fire in him during games. So I’d personally give him the benefit of the doubt
i'm still stunned the bucs lost to the browns of all teams. they were pathetic today. this should have been a 'gimme"
After the Steelers and Panthers games, I'm already numb to this.
Rule number one of being a Bucs fan - there is no such thing as a gimme game. In fact, gimme games for us are typically trap games. Rookie/Backup QBs? Weak teams? We play down to them all and somehow manage to lose.
We're not a good team and I blame Todd Bowles entirely. BA would have never taken the foot off the pedal. He does this anytime we take a lead.
It's so true. It's like he thinks you get a 7-point lead with 20 minutes left in the game, and the goal should just be to run out the clock from there.
Bowles cost us a second consecutive SB last year with that blitz play. Then got promoted. And is the reason were having one of our worst seasons ever (with the level of talent we have). Can’t forgive him for that
How does brate get more targets then Cade Otton? He has made big plays the last two games.
That's the Byron Leftwich offense for ya
Ah you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!
anybody have a damn video of Mike Evans catching that ball but the refs saying he was OB and didn’t review it??? I was almost positive he was in.
Discussed and explained
we thought the same...that should have been challenged.
Despite the game clock stopping we still snapped the ball quick, didnt even give ourselves a chance to look at it
Still don’t know how the 3rd Down plays designed to have the player stop WELL BEFORE the first down marker are allowed to be schemed at this point in the season. Coaches doubling down on schemes and calls that have CONSISTENTLY failed, literally definition of fucking insanity…
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And if Wirfs is out Brady gonna get killed
Only reason i aint selling my tickets for next game is because it might be my last chance to see Brady. But im damn sure gonna try to get a Fire Leftwich/Bowles chant going once the fuckery starts
hmmmm I agree with the sentiment, but booing our coaches mid game is probably gonna hurt the way our players play.
Helluva catch for Cleveland end of 4th quarter. We had them stopped and the guy made a play. But we shouldn't of been in that spot. Our offense are the biggest underachievers in the league.
Remember when We constantly shat on Aaron Rodgers MVP case last year for being too efficient and not taking enough risks for their team to win? This offense is actively losing us games with their lack of scoring and lack of time on the field. We are legitimately struggling to put at least 20 points on the board, and in that regard, we are not that much different than the broncos where only that much wins us games.
This team has good-great QB play, but plays and schemes scribbled in crayon. This team doesn’t even have competent coaching. It’s a disgrace
The play before the tying touchdown at the end of the 4th quarter the Bucs had 3 timeouts and the clock was running with like 1:16 left and me and my Dad were screaming at the TV to call a timeout. Instead Browns run 35 seconds off the clock before tying TD pass and instead of getting the ball back with like 1:02 on the clock they get it back with 32 seconds. Also, maybe broken record but ended with fucking 2 unused timeouts, Dear God
Anyone get fired yet?
Well…. At least the Saints got shut out
The rest of the NFL will take us to the playoffs
Small mercies
No huddle offense stats
Play calling and discipline. Isn't fixed now, it won't be at this point in the season and certainly not with these coaches.
Tom really had a rough deployment today lmao
He lost some good men out there.. to injury, but still
im still dumbfounded at what happened at the end of this game. you have to be deliberately trying to lose at that point.
Honestly, from what I saw being there, coaching wasn't the best and Brady didn't throw very well on crucial moments. That and Browns were blessed by the football gods or something, that TD that tied it and the secondary defender who fell at the end of the OT and The Bucs offense not being able to drive it down there in OT were what killed us. :(
Urban Meyer was a better coach than this garbage we have
Truth
https://twitter.com/JennaLaineESPN/status/1596980899085570048?t=hRdZxDNXepyrEyRPvLSFyw&s=19
I'm angry yall, it sucks, there's no reason for our team and personnel to be this bad, someone help me rationalize any of this
you must be young. this is the life of a bucs fan... been this way since the beginning. the only time they were consistently good were the years of lynch, sapp, alstott etc... you never get used to it, but just grow to accept it....
It’s a bucs life
The coaching sucks on all the sides of the ball
Three very noticeable things:
Not calling a timeout before that 4th down in regulation should be considered coaching malpractice. Almost hard to believe.
Me and my old man were screaming at the fucking TV about that. Could have gotten the ball with like 1:02 and 2 timeouts instead of 32 seconds. Also ended the game with 2 unused timeouts....grrrrr
Brady is gone after this season. Not sure it'll be retirement but he's not playing for this staff again
Todd Bowls is never built to be a head coach, he’s a excellent defensive coach period!!!
Need a new coach ASAP. The weapons are there the play calling is not
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Bad coach = bad team, no bones about it THIS WAS THE BROWNS FFS
Bengals and 9ers still coming up lol
I'd be surprised if this team wins another game at all. Brady is making bad throws and the plays are baffling.
Cards too on Christmas will give us fits. Start the day drinking early
And Saints, good chance we lose 4 in a row
So who’s excited about Bowles now? Defensive coaches are too damned conservative and play not to lose, using obsolete “run-the-ball and play defense” strategy that last worked when Dungy had a HoF defense 20 years ago. Even back then the strategy was a dinosaur.
And even back then he couldn’t go all the way. This strategy has never worked for us!
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Had no business losing that game. Succop could've made that 55 yarder
we suck
again
Life is pain.
That game gave me covid
COVID is the new Aids
Could someone please figure out how often we throw behind the sticks on 3rd down in comparison to other teams
This is after our 20+ yard bomb on every 2nd down.
The OL being in literal shambles is why this is happening.
throws Bucs hat down spurrier style
Donovan Smith ALWAYS commits an inexcusable penalty on the 4th quarter, specially in close games. That seems to be his thing, and if I CAN FREAKING NOTICE IT, why has no coach fixed it yet?
He did it again…
Two drives stalled due to Donovan penalties. Killer
I’ve said this for years and have been met with nothing but opposition from this sub. Donovan Smith is fucking terrible.
Why do raiders and Seahawks both have 20 Or (even!) more points by halftime?? Is that even legal? Shouldn’t you be saving them for the playoffs?
Why didn’t we call a timeout lol
Absolutely no excuse there. Playing not to lose, like cowards
“We didn’t have enough timeouts left to stop the clock. It was gonna go to overtime either way.” -Todd Bowles
I don't get how we don't have a quick slant play to get a easy 5 yards. Like every other team in the league. Nothing to get this team in rhythm. Just chucking downfield on 3rd and short is not an answer
Is your NFL season in the gutter and you have absolutely no hope for this season?
Donovan smith got fucking destroyed today. Brady missed a few deep balls that completely change the game. Frustrating loss
Garrett can do that to anybody. Although it's worth noting that he lines up on the other side most games.
I miss BA, man.
Me too, but I'm a bit salty with him cuz he hired his friend to coach
Clock management made me want to seriously kill myself.
Bucs are 0-3 against back ups this year
There is a girl who paints a picture of Jimmy G everyday until he is traded. It is so awesome. Is there anyway to have her do a picture of Bowles and Leftwich every day until they are fired?
Best I could do in stable diffusion
Something has to change or this season will get away from us in a week or two. Be it coaching or players idk but this team looks soft, undisciplined, and not focused.
Oh it's changing for sure if we lose wirfs
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Defense was playing lockdown for so long
I still put it entirely on the offense. We had multiple chances to take Chubb out of the game. But we always kept it one score, which allowed them to keep going to him.
[Auman] Tristan Wirfs’ injury might not be a severe as feared. He walked around locker room, showered, had a boot on his left foot only as he left the locker room. There’s hope it isn’t as longterm as it could be.
Literally the end of the season if he's out for a significant period of time. Brady already has zero time to throw the ball, there's no way we win another game unless Jensen comes back, and we can move Hainsey over.
I saw the wild jump live that caused the injury and knew immediately what happened, when they showed Wirfs down. Don’t care to watch the actual replay of it though.
X-rays came back negative. Will know more after MRI, but so far good news.
Fingers crossed
Anyone figure out why we didn’t take the field goal in the 3rd quarter? We were in the 32 before the purposely too the delay of game penalty I’m pretty sure
Should have gone for it on 4th and 2 there
They said it would’ve been his career long and the wind probably wasn’t kind to them either.
Our kicker's range is about 50 yards, so it was outside of something he could realistically kick. That said, we 10000% should have gone for it on 4th and 2. Makes no sense to punt there.
Not confident in our kicker, didn't want to give them good fired position if he missed, too scared to go for it, Over confident in our defense.
Bad coaching is the answer to basically every question in this thread
Everybody needs to remember that Bowles basically got Wirfs injured.
As much as I hate our HC and OC right now, am I not the only who also realizes that Brady could’ve called a TO, too?
This was also the case in the second quarter right before Julio's catch. Two timeouts and nearly within Succops range. But no, he wanted to run a no huddle play.
Not if they told him not to.
He could have saved about 10 seconds on the last drive with a timeout and that's what the broadcast was focusing on, but we should have called a timeout when the Browns had the ball, which would have given us 1:10 for the drive instead of 0:30.
Just watched the press conference with Todd Bowles. He basically is still blaming execution and didn't think he did anything wrong with the timeouts at the end of regulation.
The players need to execute. They are playing horribly.
Basically the exact reason Zach Wilson got benched
If it continues to be "execution" then when does that become entirely the fault of the HC?
This is one of the most frustrating things about these coaches. It's one thing to make mistakes and then admit to them and try to improve. These coaches don't do that, they are incredibly stubborn and hard headed.
They need to be booted, we could win more games with fucking Lovie smith
We fucking suck
Not sure how a staff or ownership can watch the Bowles press conference after this loss and think he’s the right guy for the job.
At least it wasnt a tie
Tie >>> loss
Just sign it. Get them gone
I signed.
signed and i tweeted it haha
Interviewer: “Todd, why are you an idiot and didn’t bother to use your timeouts when Cleveland was wasting time as they were about to tie the game?”
Did they really ask that lol?
How did we lose against a garbage team?..we beat settle
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because we play to the level of our opponents. i bet we win at least one of the san Francisco or cincinnati games.
Because the Bucs are an average team at best.
With bad coaching otherwise good teams often play to the team they're playing week to weak. Playing a good team, they go lights put. Playing a bad team they barely try. Seems to be what's going on this season.
We lost to Pittsburgh and got blown out by Carolina, losing to bad teams shouldn’t surprise anyone.
Offense is just abysmal. Uttter refusal to call any play action is just dumbfounding
Yeah I was noticing this. Like the complete opposite of the Seattle game. Play action Brady is so good at it. Why abandon it.
Tom forces BA out but can't be blamed for the current coaching scenario.
Brady didn’t force BA out and change that goddamn flair
His accuracy definitely seems off. He's always missed throws here and there but he's missed some big game changing throws this year. A few deep balls in overtime that wouldve been huge
I watch the other games/teams and their quarterbacks constantly get sacked, intercepted, they throw shit balls but have wide receivers and tight ends that make great catches that make the qb look good...not to mention they have good coaches as well. Tom Brady is not this teams problem.
2022 Brady based on QBR alone is better than 98% of Bucs’ QB seasons ever. With a talented WR corps & above-average D, there’s zero reason we should be below .500. This is all play-calling. Fire Lefty & Bowles.
None of that is true. “Forced him out” isn’t even a proven fact. It’s a best guess situation for headlines.
Idk why you’re being downvoted. I just got out of a divorce. It doesn’t matter he is the GOAT, the divorce is 100% affecting him if you like it or not.
Bowles was just asked about not calling timeouts at the end of regulation, and he literally has no clue what was going on. Holy shit.
Shame the Glazers are absentee owners
Fucking what? I need to see this .
Did anyone ask Bowles postgame about the decision not to call a timeout earlier in that final drive in regulation?
Yes
What?
Glad to see the bye week wasn't wasted going over anything new, or trying to freshen up the play book, stick with what we do best.
We knew this would happen once no coaching changes were made.
Any 13 year old kid playing Madden has a better grasp of game and clock management than our OC and HC; that's unbelieveable in itself but how come Brady, Licht or the Glazers just watch and don't step in?
Not watching another game until Bowles and Leftwich are sweeping floors ✌🏻
Speaking of not calling a timeout I can't believe they didn't challenge or at least call a time out on the Evans out of bounds catch to see if they should challenge it. It's not like there's ever a scenario where we go phew thank God Todd Bowles saved that for later
Was inside two minutes but they should’ve called a timeout to let the refs get a closer look
Brady gotta be missing Bill at this point
BA*
Bruh how do you lose up 17-10 defense just did their thing and we have the ball back with 2:30? Fucking sus offense and coaching for real. Then just throw the towel in and let them win in OT.
I honestly don’t think I’ll watch much of the game next week. It’s been a long time since I’ve felt like this. Maybe right before they got Winston.
It’s a Manning Night Football game next week. Would be interesting to hear what the Manning bros say.
Only thing keeping me going is that we're still in the lead for the division, and I'm hoping we turn it on at some point. But it's been quite a while since we've had such boring, frustrating games.
Who tf is the right tackle now?
Wells. He’s a revolving door
Honestly, if you have to ask, it doesn’t matter. Season is done.
I’m absolutely at a lost for words. Surely they were paid to lose this game right? So many opportunities.
Live feed of everyone watching the end of the 4th quarter:
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I still prefer White and his ability to make people miss sometimes. We are fucked regardless of who plays RB though.
Too bad Fournettes all ticked off about the whole situation.
Im not watching another game until leftwich is gone. It’s not good for my mental health
I mean Todd bum not calling a timeout on the 4th Down TD pass is just laughable
This team needs an enema
Fire this staff, hire Mike Kafka.
I would honestly rather exhume Franz Kafka and prop his mummified corpse on the sidelines as coach than what we have.
It's crazy to think that not that long ago Kafka was on our roster as a QB. His ascent up the coaching ladder has been impressive.
No coaching staff can cool the hot hand faster than the Bucs coaching staff
Todd Bowles and Byron Leftwich are the only team that can stop the Bucs offense.
I’m just not seeing Todd Bowles as a good coach or defensive coordinator. Output D has to give up the most plays when the game is on the line.
Grades for the Game
We aren’t throwing balls to an open Evans because Leftwich doesn’t know how to scheme a receiver open.
Tom Brady and the defense gave us a SB ring. Byron just happened to be along for the ride.
F? Come on. I wouldn't give Leftwich more than about a Q
This version of the bucs feels like one of those teams that a powerhouse college team pays to come get the hell beat out of them to open the season
I don't think I've ever been this disappointed about a loss before. Just terrible. So many opportunities to extend our "rare" lead and we lose in OT smh... BUT we're still #1 in the division, the least sucky in the division according to the standings. Oh yay... 🙄
If anyone is watching chiefs/rams, the difference between our offensive scheme and theirs is mind boggling. Plays are creative, play calls are mixed up, defenses can’t just sleep walk through the game getting stops almost by default
same with the niners . exotic formations and pre snap movement every play, everyone is open all the time. like multiple receivers open PER PLAY
Receivers also try to catch passes
Bowels and Donovan smith should be gone as of now if bucs had the guts to make the move