How much do you agree with this? (Answer when asked if inhibiting the re-uptake of dopamine helps with ADHD)

  1. I feel like the person’s answer is a fancy version of “people with ADHD need to just try harder”, which we all know is bull and this person sounds condescending and uncaring of the struggle people go through.

  2. Agree! The only part I sort of agree with them about is the impact of internal motivation. Before I started my Adderall, I spent nearly a year in therapy sorting out my trauma, my values, and my relationships, and figuring out what I wanted to do about those things. Once we had figured that out in therapy, I was internally motivated to go achieve it, and I just needed a bit of help to make it happen. I don't think the meds would have been nearly as life-changing if I didn't already know what I wanted.

  3. That’s one of the things they don’t get people with ADHD are already trying harder to function closer to normal.

  4. We try harder in a short period of time than abled people do their whole lives. This person can fuck all the way off. We need meds to function. It's akin to telling someone physically disabled to just do things without tools to help them. I hate ableist jerks.

  5. While it may be harder to determine this in kids, as an adult i can absolutely see and feel and KNOW the difference between just not being interested and being totally interested but incapable of focusing.

  6. Do you ever do the thing where you’re actually interested in and enjoying a book or even a YouTube video but for some reason you just…. stop?

  7. Exactly. Everyone has trouble paying attention to stuff they're not interested in. That's not ADHD, that's being a person! People with ADHD struggle to pay attention to everything, except (for some people) rare moments of hyper-focus. And those moments of hyper-focus usually aren't something we should or even want to be doing, but our brains get "stuck" on.

  8. That last sentence is so true. All of what you said is valid but the last sentence really resonated with me.

  9. Absolutely! Not to mention that people without ADHD can choose focus on things they absolutely do not care about. At least that's what I've been told lol.

  10. I agree - I can tell when I’m bored and unable to focus vs. just not being able to focus period. It’s like a boring work meeting vs. an interesting podcast - one is understandable to tune out and the other I tune out despite myself

  11. I have lost count of how many times I was absolutely unable to follow conversations because I'd lose track of what was said, or couldn't focus at all. And many times it was about things I was interested and that were very important.

  12. Yes. It’s like I have food in front of me and I’m hungry but I don’t know how to eat it. Or like I don’t have teeth. And everyone around me is like, just take smaller bites, or what’s wrong with you, it’s delicious. And I’m just like, you can see how that is worthless advice when I do not have teeth?

  13. Completely agree. I think a huge portion of the "just try harder" contingent are using willpower as an illusion to help themselves believe that their successes are actually their own doing, and further that theres some moral value to those successes.

  14. Ooooooh, can you please go find and post that first sentence in direct response to whoever posted this comment above (not OP, the comment they screencapped). That line feels like way more of a mic drop than “the internet has turned dopamine and seratonin into Gods.”

  15. Yeah nah this just sounds to me like “adhd symptoms are moral failings” to me. And also ignores the fact that people with adhd are able to retain information and stay engaged with coping mechanisms designed for the adhd brain, but the education system is designed for, and caters to, neurotypical brains that thrive under those conditions. It’s like blaming a human for losing a race against a cheetah, and then telling the human they’re not allowed to use cars to outrun the cheetah and should simply learn to run faster.

  16. The US education system is inhumane imo. Like locking kids inside and making them sit for hours, structurally making them ignore emotional and bodily needs like sleep, hunger, or potty time, and then prove that they learned things during that time. And forcing one adult to care for them, educate them, and entertain them with limited resources and support… I’m amazed anyone, child or adult, would thrive under these conditions.

  17. Any suggestions on books, etc that give actual steps to learning and implementing these coping mechanisms you've mentioned for retaining info? My brain struggles hard with this and I'm about to open a business, so I'm looking for answers! Thanks!

  18. I’m sorry but this is so dumb, it’s basically saying that people with adhd just need to “try harder” and things will work, which is not right at all. I’m 26, got my diagnostic a year ago and that changed my way of viewing things a lot, for better. I spent 25 years of my life listening to people saying that I was a quitter, that I was lazy, that my room was messy because I wasn’t trying to be like other girls, and I believed that, FOR 25 years, I “tried harder” for this whole time, I accomplished a few things but not as much as I hurt myself making an extreme effort just to “try” to meet this expectations without knowing about the adhd and without the medication. This kind of narrative is mean to people struggling with adhd and everything we go through daily.

  19. I'm leery that they brought in 'industriousness' and 'conscientiousness' as familial values, whatever that means. There's a lot at stake when it comes to discussing mental availability/plasticity, executive functionality from within, and then societal/communal circumstances one has to operate inside of. Living in a time of information saturation competing with analog structures (in the classroom anyway), it's been proven that kids in general have a hard time relating to subjects that don't directly interact with the ways they've been raised to interpret the world. And yes, people with deficient dopamine/serotonin are likely to present as having a variation of ADD/ADHD, there's all sorts of comorbidities that may come with that (anxiety, hypothyroidism, depression, sleeping problems etc). To some extent one could discipline themselves into enough of a routine that they can be a more 'focused' person, but all that is is faking it til you make it; treating a symptom and not its cause doesn't cultivate a sense of understanding or even acknowledgement.

  20. Well, I was on board with the dopamine and serotonin bits, then it just degenerated into ableist ravings. Certainly possible, and definitely interesting until it wasn't

  21. This mindset along with not being diagnosed until I was 27 last year is why I was drained, burnt out, depressed, anxious and suicidal all my life. I masked constantly and pleased everyone around me but it was absolutely not sustainable. Now I am still in a burnout stage where I need two full days a week to recover from work and I hardly have a social life. This mindset is like telling someone with MS who uses a cane to walk that if he can walk without one he should and maybe eventually his muscles will get stronger. It’s a dangerous mindset to be spreading

  22. I really just want to wrap you up in a hug or a weighted blanket or whatever you prefer for comfort. Good job recognizing the issue and shifting to include more rest. I know it’s difficult and the more you rest, the better things will get.

  23. If you or someone that you know is considering suicide, please don't hesitate to reach out to a crisis hotline for immediate help, or a warmline just to talk to someone.

  24. Written by someone who doesn’t have adhd, clearly! Sure I can teach myself, force myself, “be good enough” to learn about something boring at work - but my brain won’t retain the information. So is that a lack of a dopamine, a lack of moral fortitude or working memory problems? If ONLY it could be reduced to dopamine/no dopamine willpower/no willpower.

  25. It's hilarious because most of us grew up hearing the same things "Why don't you try harder?" Or "You never listen!" "Just be quiet" and tried everything to be able to do the bare minimum, to the point of exhaustion.

  26. I think it's mostly bullshit and that people with ADHD, whether or not it's diagnosed when they're kids, are ALREADY getting and internalizing a ton of messages about how we just need to "learn how to stay away during a boring board meeting" and be more industrious and try harder and we're just lazy and bored and don't want to put in effort but have so much potential. Like there's no danger whatsoever of NOT picking up those messages! And...they don't WORK, because this answer is fundamentally wrong.

  27. Your comment made me remember what it was like trying to learn math (specifically algebra) when I was a kid. I actually didn't properly learn algebra until I was 29 (went to college really late), and it took 4 semesters to find a math tutor who recognized my learning style and used some kind of pie-chart "visual" method (it's been 20 years, wish I could remember what she called it) and I was suddenly able to understand algebra. Apparently, I don't do well with abstracts. So rather than blame the kid (or adult) for not trying hard enough, why not have multiple methods for teaching math? Or any other subject? Interesting tidbit: a year later in nursing school, we had to do a workbook that taught dosage calculations for setting up IV drips. I immediately recognized- this is algebra! With real outcomes instead of imaginary numbers or letters! I aced the whole thing, while my classmates struggled with it. Go figure.

  28. It's so funny how people don't want to acknowledge that, like yes there can be something wrong with your brain that makes you have difficulties with tasks that make you look like a moral failure. That doesn't mean that the problem is with my morals just because you only go on what you can see, which is your perception of me as a lazy pos.

  29. His reasoning doesn’t work…Dopamine is central to our reward system which is the basis for motivation. If you don’t have enough dopamine or your body uptakes the dopamine too quickly, you don’t get a fundamental part of everyday living—namely the reward system. And without a solid reward system, the person is left seeking after whatever gives them dopamine.

  30. The more severe your ADHD, the harder (or near impossible) it becomes to just "learn" how to focus. Your brain simply doesn't have the tools to do that, and it's not a matter of discipline or willpower. It's also not necessarily a matter of how interesting something is.

  31. If you or someone that you know is considering suicide, please don't hesitate to reach out to a crisis hotline for immediate help, or a warmline just to talk to someone.

  32. The way this person thinks adhd functions is not accurate to the way my adhd actually functions and so isn’t speaking from a place of authority on what I am dealing with.

  33. Man this is triggering for me i really have to remind myself daily im not a piece of shit excuse maker and maybe my diagnosis is wrong and I just need to DO it. We dont need to be told this this isnt earth shattering. What is earth shattering is recognizing that there are physical/chemical reasons why some people have more difficulty. I cant imagine a way of life or thinking where i dont have to pump myself up for 10 minutes to get the laundry out of the dryer and once im up forget and start organizing paper towels. Like thats approachable for many people?? WILD.

  34. I feel like this person almost made a good point but also undermined their own credibility in how they tried to make it. I’ve absolutely fallen trap to blaming too much of my own behavior on ADHD at times. 80% of the time, my lack of motivation comes from my ADHD. But sometimes, I’m also just lazy or bored or demotivated in the same ways that a neurotypical person can be. So much of ADHD is stuff that everyone experiences, we just experience it far more often and far more severely than average.

  35. This just sounds to me like more of the old 'ADHD is overdiagnosed I don't believe in it, you must just suck at concentrating'

  36. I’ve taught, and there is very much a balance to be struck between “if you want kids to learn, you have to make the material relevant and engaging,” and “in the real world, sometimes you just have to suck it up and do the boring shit.” Those are both valid viewpoints. Taking them and turning them into “so kids with ADHD just need to try harder,” is some condescending, ignorant, ableist bullshit.

  37. I agree that learning to pay attention to something you aren’t interested in is a learned skill. Nobody willingly chooses to be bored and sometimes you just have to suck it up.

  38. While I can respect every point made here. I don’t like the insinuation at all. ADHD isn’t always the answer, but the insinuation that it’s never the answer is nuts.

  39. Yeah.... No. There is a deffinate difference between me laying in bed cause I'm lazy vs. me laying in bed because of executive dysfunction. And I can tell the difference.

  40. If you or someone that you know is considering suicide, please don't hesitate to reach out to a crisis hotline for immediate help, or a warmline just to talk to someone.

  41. This all sounds great until I ask them about why I had such a hard time with my master’s thesis when I was not only intensely interested in the topic, but had specifically chosen to write on one of my lifelong hyperfocuses. I still had a beast of a time writing 75,000 words. I had a hard time in my seminars completing all my work. Even for my visual texts class I couldn’t get through all the reading— reading like The Snowman, See Spot Run, A Tiger Comes to Tea, up so longer texts like V for Vendetta.

  42. I agree partially. It's true a lot of these are at least half learned skills, and neurotypical people will also struggle with them. There's also a tendency on the internet and especially among young people to think to think every mental or emotional challenge is a disorder instead of a normal part of the human experience. There's nothing wrong imo with finding something boring and tuning out. BUT ADHD folks do chemically get less reward for the same tasks and often do need medication to function as well as they could in many situations. Sometimes despite our best efforts we just can't do what we need to without help, and ignoring that and insisting everyone just needs to try harder is ableist.

  43. I also see what you mean. I also agree on realizing that some human mental states or emotiona are just that and not need to be a disorder. I also see that I for example could function well once I establish a routine where I don’t have to think anymore and just be on auto-mode (= less mental effort= less distraction = stay in motion) but it starts with “sucking it up”. Aka building habits and learning to stick through it. However that “sucking it up” phase is very painful and it takes so long to build and once disrupted it’s 0 all over again.

  44. I’m going under the assumption they have not been diagnosed with anything. Just someone dismissing and gatekeeping an experience in which they were never included. They did not even consider that a diagnosis would encompass behavior outside of the classroom and office that go beyond disinterest and boredom.

  45. This is so dumb - twin studies and sibling studies on ADHD blow this out of the water. People also get good at masking symptoms by either hyper focusing or just by virtue of having a higher IQ so the whole idea that someone with ADHD is nonfunctional/bored/uninterested is just false.

  46. 😳 omg this is so accurate and might explain why I would procrastinate so much in school , because of the physiological response of already being behind on the deliverables. I loved a lot of classes and naturally liked learning too 😔

  47. Those last two sentences hit me right in the gut. The guilt and stress over disappointing someone for not doing the thing you want to do is real.

  48. Wow, that's a load of horseshit. We have a genetic dopamine deficiency. You can't just willpower your way through that. What an ass

  49. They are correct that the dopamine theory is not really totally correct and complete anymore (see my comment history for details) but I do not care for the tone, and the conclusions reached sound like capitalist propaganda to me.

  50. I wish. I wish it was all that easy. I wish I didn’t have breakdowns over unwashed dishes or clothes that need to be ironed or organised. I wish I was able to control my emotions and not push everyone away in my life due to its intensity. I wish I could watch a show or a movie without having to skip to the end or read the ending online. Do these kind of ppl think that we WANT our lives to be so goddamn hard? At the end, we’d be just sabotaging ourselves because it’s not like the world caters to us. Living with ADHD is not a choice. It’s a mental illness for me, and I wish everyday I could just be normal.

  51. Clearly when I'm sitting there being hungry but just unable to summon to the executive function to decide what to eat, prepare it, and eat it, it's just that I'm not actually interested in eating when I'm hungry, and that's my right to just sit there getting faint and hangry with a fully stocked kitchen. Perfectly fine. That's not going to impact me negatively.

  52. Feel like this person is trying really hard to sound intelligent and I zoned out halfway through their ramble.

  53. If it was such a “finely crafted theory,” they should have spent more time communicating it clearly and maybe fucking editing out the typos. Attempting to deliver a message this poorly is not a good look.

  54. It's disappointing they haven't actually researched into the more 'human aspect' of ADHD, specially having an interest based nervous system which is linked to dopamine deficiency. If they knew about this it's likely they wouldn't have used the bored kid in a class room learning maths and needing to learn how to sit still as example to support their viewpoint...

  55. I would love to figure out how to teach kids to attend to things that aren’t interesting to them. -teachers everywhere (even the ones with adhd like me)

  56. The more i see these the more i realize How dangerous an opinion can Be. Especially uneducated opinions contradicting years of research, proof and the word of scholars.

  57. This sounds like the old “they just need more discipline” opinion from someone who knows nothing about ADHD or Neurodiversity.

  58. Dopamine is integral to both movement and learning. It’s like cell signal strength. If you have one bar you technically can make a call but it’s going to take repeated attempts and walking around till you find s spot that has the least obstructions, and even if you do get a call out there is a good chance the call will get dropped before you say what you need to. If you have a full 5 bars you don’t even think about how your cell phone works, because it just does.

  59. Yes and no. I agree that all people need to learn discipline, and that it can help us learn to do things even when our brains say no. I also agree that the Internet is a time suck.

  60. Fuck this attitude. It’s a huge part of I wasn’t diagnosed until 2 years ago, at age 35. I could skate by in school and get A’s without worrying about being overly attentive to the boring stuff. I did fine in work as well and when ADHD began catching up with me as responsibilities increased, I freaked. I did what I always did - blame myself and call myself stupid and full of flaws most people don’t have. No discipline, making mountains out of molehills, etc. Still, I figured there was no way I could have ADHD because I got A’s in school and am a woman. Finally, though, I explored the idea and then got a diagnosis. Life-changing perspective shift. I began thinking about all the times I was just “a loser” for not managing my time properly, because tasks like doing dishes were so overwhelming. I was incredibly mean to myself, which I still work on extensively in therapy.

  61. This is so true. And add to all of that the complete burnout you feel from trying so hard to ‘be normal’ without the support you need.

  62. Mm, nah. I've accomplished a lot of things. Like, advanced degree, job, spouse, family. I thought everyone struggled this way. I was constantly stressed, anxious, binge-ate my way to diabetes...

  63. Yep. I started at an experimental school and it was FANTASTIC but it still didn't fix the fact that when I had to focus on something that wasn't at all interesting (and not all subjects are interesting all the time) it was physically PAINFUL for me.

  64. Because in their minds, “everybody procrastinates sometimes” and so ADHD isn’t real and we are all just faking it in order to score drugs.

  65. 👴🏻 “In MY day we didn’t know nothin about all this dopamine and serotonin nonsense, we taught children with hard work an a good whippin”

  66. This guy’s theory is pure crap. Like, If I don’t mind eating shrimp and you hate it because of You being you or allergies or whatever, does that mean you gotta force yourself to eat it just cause everyone else “can stand it”. What a silly limited mentality. 📦

  67. I think this person is feeling defensive about something. Maybe the idea of neurochemicals being so influential makes them feel powerless to effect change in themselves in the ways they've been taught.

  68. If you are healthy and do not have any conditions that can hinder you physically from doing so then you have to bloody well just learn it. If you have a condition like ADHD you have meds that help you do so. The only reason that these medications exist is that it is for most of us next to impossible to do basic or complicated life tasks without. Nobody is whining about me taking seizure meds so that my brain chemistry can function properly but everybody seems to have a problem when I take stimulants so my brain chemistry can function properly. 🤷🏼‍♀️

  69. yeah, fuck that. i’ll take my meds and not have crying fits when trying to open my mail or organize my calendar, thanks.

  70. I think Im interested to see how people respond because of my imposter syndrome and the little voice telling me (despite knowing my own real struggle) that maybe they’re right and I’m not trying hard enough

  71. I can’t help but critique the first line. But the internet is also right in front of our eyes. Like maybe it’s because I’m a little into tech and am very old. But the internet is not an unseeable or abstract space. It’s a physical thing. The physical thing may not be right next to you. But the internet is literally just a bunch of boxes on an island connected to other boxes on an island. They are called servers.

  72. I see people getting mad. But to me, I didn’t interpret this person as saying for Adhd people to “try harder.”

  73. Thanks, I was writing a similar comment to yours (but much more simplified) and then somehow desperately scrolling around to find ANY comment which would consider such complex issues. Instead 99% percent of the comments are defensive.

  74. This just feels like a long-winded form of blaming ADHD people for not being more disciplined with a dash of ADHD erasure thrown in. The implication that ADHD people are willfully not paying attention because we're bored is 100% bs. I try harder than anyone to focus when I'm bored.

  75. Look, I try really hard to not judge people by their word choices and grammar errors and stuff because that way leads to classism and general rudeness, but are you seriously worried what this person thinks? They can't even tell the difference between baring things and bearing things, and they clearly know very little neurobiology. What authority can this person have that makes you consider their opinion worthy of thought? A rando jerkwad douchenozzel on the internet?

  76. It's disappointing they haven't actually researched into the more 'human aspect' of ADHD, specially having an interest based nervous system which is linked to dopamine deficiency. If they knew about this it's likely they wouldn't have used the bored kid in a class room learning maths and needing to learn how to sit still as example to support their viewpoint...

  77. I think this is a "Yes, AND..." kind of thing. I think there are some interesting takeaways. For example, I have often wondered if my "stick-to-it-ness" about things would be any better if my environment had been less chaotic and traumatic while growing up and if I wasn't allowed to quit everything I tried as soon as it got hard for me or inconvenient for one of the adults in my life. Do I think this to the exclusion of ADHD's influence on my brain chemistry? No. But I do think that had my brain been consistently trained a little differently I would probably be better off.

  78. It sounds like people's adhd is an inconvenience to them and they just want us to be normal and can't understand why "just try harder, it's a personality thing" doesn't work. They sound like someone who doesn't have a lot of experience with adhd personally and isn't trying to understand, and therefore their opinion is useless and irrelevant to me.

  79. There are things about the spirit of this that i agree with but when they said “conscientiousness” it was impossible to take that seriously lmfao. Imo it comes down to the environment and support we give ourselves. Im never going to be able to function exactly in the same way as a neurotypical person, but i can be just as productive and fulfilled by making my environment and support work for me. Until i understood that, no amount of shame and guilt around my “conscientiousness” was going to help me.

  80. I think that may apply to some people/situations, but not EVERYTHING is strictly boredom. I know I can tell the difference between those things in my experience. And sometimes being medicated actually makes boring meetings (and I'm sure class/school) a lot easier to focus on. While unmedicated thru high-school and college I found doodling, playing w stuff, stimming, etc AND paying attention to content (kind of at least) helped me better focus and absorb the information.

  81. “There’s so much focus on the dopamine that we usually don’t consider that the kid in the classroom is just bored and doesn’t want to learn about math.” Uhm actually we’ve considered that for years until we realized there’s an actual issue.

  82. As much as it seems dismissive, the fact that the skills mentioned are learned is relevant because people with ADHD learn differently. I think "focus on the human aspect" can also mean that teachers and parents need to find more ways to engage ADHD kids emotionally so the can learn how to learn in the first place. There's a lot to be done in changing the nurture before medicating the nature. (But if you're diagnosed as an adult like me, oopsie, guess it's the pills for you!)

  83. I remember getting kinda low key excited when boring stuff came up in school bc I’d go into DEEP daydreaming and that was waaaay more fun.

  84. The rub is when there’s a project you are interested in and want to complete but you can’t because your executive functions are crap and you don’t know how to even get started.

  85. Typical person talking out of his ass so he can negate inconvenient truths that don't fit his worldview, the worldview where he is superior and everyone else is lazy. (yawn)

  86. I mean, it’s both though? Like yes, there is a human component and yes, people can just not want to do something & it’ll be fine. But a large part of ADHD (mine, at least) is not having the motivation/memory to do the things that, you know, allow me to literally be alive? I mean, I procrastinate or forget to eat and drink and go the bathroom 😂

  87. Doesn’t even know the difference between “bare” and “bear,” thinks they know more than doctors and scientists.

  88. Yeaaaaah sounds like they don’t understand, sometimes it’s hard to focus on things that are fun xD like ???? That’s not how adhd works

  89. I absolutely hate this person with every fiber of my being. They have NO idea what is like to be unable to "just do" a thing you very much want to do. Mayyyyyyybe if I were only bored in work meetings then I'm just lazy or lacking a skill that can be developed. However, I am nearly paralyzed with the inability to take action on things I want to do, that only benefit me, that no one else cares about at all. Like, sorry Chad, I actually would like to submit my receipts to pet insurance and get back hundreds of dollars instead of just thinking about it for an hour or more for months until the magical day my brain just allows me to do it, which will more than likely occur when I ought to be doing something else that someone else does care about.

  90. Fk this idiot. That's what I think. What sucks is that average Joe and Jane have our issues to a very mild extent and then become enraged with us for having them to an extreme extent and consider it a moral failing in us.

  91. Anyone who's ever sat down to watch a show they were actually interested in only to not actually listen because they were scrolling, or who's fucked up in a game because you let something distract you from the screen at the wrong moment knows this isn't true.

  92. Yeah that whole statement is predicated on the idea that there is a level of choice. Yeah like I chose to have a melt down when trying to do dishes. Just because I can do my job well and other things will doesn't mean I can just keep that switch flipped for everything. I'm good at my job because I have to be work equals survival basically fear and dread of inability to survive is what helps work through my brain barriers but dishes fill me with fear and dread because of the brain barriers. Also yeah I don't think you should have fear and dread be motivating or limiting factors for basic parts of life.

  93. People who have ADHD can absolutely be lazy or disinterested ON TOP and need to learn to cope with that the same as anyone else. While ADHD encroaches on every area of life, we are not just ADHS symptom zombies.

  94. This theory is harmful to the adhd community. We don't use adhd as an excuse to be lazy (as this person implied) but knowing what's wrong and how to get dopamine or serotonin WHILE doing a low-reward task is super important. Something as simple as a squishy toy to help give some of that serotonin or dopamine can be the difference of not being able to focus and becoming a straight A student. Now, I picked a career that is a high dopamine environment and I do my job extremely well. Does it pay super well? No, not really. But it pays enough and I can flurish with it without feeling drained

  95. Coming from a family who is Highly values industriousness and being conscientious, I learnt to fake it and bear with it and work harder than everyone else to be better than everyone else. I was diagnosed with ADHD and dyslexia in my last years of uni, I have no motivation to do anything because what does it matter. I also have horrible mental health, so no brain chemicals are real and the effects of a lack of them are very real as well

  96. Actually I think this person has a fair point! Especially since I joined activities like theatre, I came to the realisation that a lot of our day to day life like school/work/social norms ARE indeed boring! And also for neurotypicals! It makes them depressed as well. It makes us as humans depressed if we live in a world where we are not encouraged to play, to be bold, to have fun. We learn how to comfort, and that starts early- in school for example.

  97. I completely disagree in this totally ableist mindset. Clearly they don't have ADHD, and I sincerely hope they are supporting (or not supporting) someone in their life who has ADHD with this attitude. So harmful.

  98. I pretty much agree with this and I see it in my husband. He is from a small country in West Africa that is struggling economically. His ADHD was not a major issue in his life until he moved to the US. He was an accomplished acrobat and dancer, and got by just fine. Our focus is mostly on schedules in the service of producing capital, so it's not easy to have this neurotype here.

  99. We have had multiple posts from doctors get on ADHD subs and explain why we are wrong about our understanding of dopamine, that we took a theory and ran with it without understanding it thoroughly. I think that is important to keep in mind.

  100. Mhm I was thinking that too. The comment itself is obviously shit in other ways but it is important to recognize that things are a lot more complicated than just “need more dopamine”, and that just in general mental health is more nuanced than just “chemical imbalance”

  101. I love everyone on this thread it is so validating hope you all find the right balance of chemicals and give yourself a hug and be gentle with yourself 💖💕

  102. If any of this were true, then clearly I'm subconsciously not interested because that's the only explanation for practically passing out in class and meetings despite the caffeine and decent night's sleep 😂

  103. I feel that it reads as 'could we just stop focusing on the mechanism that causes the disability and focus more on the moral failing aspect please!'

  104. I don’t think this person actually understands ADHD. Sure when I don’t have interest in doing something it’s really hard to do it. But plot twist, I also can’t get myself to do things I really enjoy and want to do…

  105. Yikes. What a self-justifying way to say people are lazy, either through their own fault or because their parents didn’t teach them.

  106. I’d rather people just go back to calling me lazy rather than spending hours cooking up this smarter-than-thou bullshit, what the fuck

  107. Idk I get dopamine from learning, I don’t care what it is. Some people just need to boost the dopamine in order to engage with school.

  108. While I was in my medical school lectures I used to pinch my skin so hard it left marks, just to try and stay awake. I love medicine, I’m fascinated by my job but my brain just couldn’t bare to be in that understimuating environment, so it would take the only escape it could and just shut down. I physically hurt myself to try and battle though that, but I would only make it though about 4-5 lectures a year without falling asleep.

  109. The question this answer was for is: “Is dopamine related to industriousness, conscientiousness? Also does serotonin have anything to do with conscientiousness? People with ADHD and SCT are impulsive have low levels of dopamine and thus stimulants work by inhibiting dopamine reuptake by the synapse making them less impulsive and making them focus then they can work towards delayed gratification rather than short term gratification right?”

  110. I think this is partially true, and one of the reasons why so many people think ADHD is a “childhood thing” or something you can “grow out of”. There IS a teachable component to focus; that’s why adults with ADHD are capable of functioning and focusing much better than children with ADHD, and why many function outwardly on par with non-disabled people: mental maturity and taught skills do actually matter. A lot, even. But that doesn’t mean it’s a level playing field. A kid without ADHD had to learn the same stuff (paying attention to boring things, applying themself to tasks they’re not interested in, etc) because that’s life. But it’s just not that hard for them as it is for someone with ADHD. Every life skill is harder to master and harder to keep up when you have ADHD.

  111. Maybe I'm misunderstanding their ultimate point, but it sounds like they're using a lot of smart-sounding jargon to say a whole lot of nonsense.

  112. I learned to focus just enough to get by in school. Heck, by most people's standards, I excelled at school. I made it through nursing school and into adulthood unmedicated. But there was a cost.

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