At some point in the very near future you will have a large amount of surplus electricity during the day when the sun is out. More than can be sold or stored. Desalination is a good use for this as a way for California to use that power to make fresh water.
Rednecks always going on about building more oil pipelines when we should maybe be considering water pipelines to transport water from water rich areas to drought areas. Seems like it could be done and would just be another way humans alter the environment to suit our needs.
I'm from the north east. Most of our power is created by hydroelectric supplemented by fossil fuel with a spattering of wind, solar and nuclear. Some of it coming from Quebec. It's definitely not a solar region but it's part of the mix. Its just gonna take time, efficiency, and money to get to a point when it makes sense.
There was a wind project in the north east which was stopped from being constructed due to there being no capacity in the powerlines for transporting that electricity. You're gonna alos need a massive investment in bigger powerlines too
I don’t think the US east coast really realizes how much power Quebec, Labrador, Ontario, and the Atlantic provinces sell them. We have an absolutely gigantic amount of hydro, so much that multiple Canadian provinces could be 100% powered by hydro if we needed to.
I’m from Kentucky where we have friends of coal license plates. Like what about the coal industry is good? The killing children in the 1900s or maybe shit working conditions to this day that leave miners in poor condition by the time they age. Or maybe it’s the soot in the air they leave behind? All just something i can stand behind.
Except doesn’t San Diego import nearly all of its power from out of state, leading to the most expensive electricity in the country? If this is the case why is there not a decrease in prices for the state. Source:I live in San Diego and the prices are brutal.
SDG&E is the biggest racket ever. Even if the rest of the state is making money selling power to other states, I fully believe SDG&E will figure out a way to charge a fee for that and somehow none of the profits will reduce their rates.
As someone who just moved to San Diego I A) Am sad to read San Diego might have the most expensive electricity in the US and B) can definitely confirm electricity here is bad. As if paying ~$100 for each tank of gas wasn't bad enough I am paying ~$120-130 for a month of electricity. And what's worse is I'm just 1 guy living in my little 600 sq ft apartment. Like how much damn electricity do I even use??
That’s what SDG&E gives as a reason anyway. The real reason is because they’re owned by a public company that will do anything and everything they can to increase their profits because that makes shareholders happy
You don't need heating or cooling for about 330 days a year, windows always open, excellent mosquito control, excellent breezes. Unless you're not on the coast, but it gets rural pretty quickly a few miles in.
Correct. It's a start - the first flight occurred under absolutely ideal conditions and lasted all of 12 seconds. Now at any given time there are thousands of aircraft in the air traveling for hours on end. Progress begins with fits and starts.
It occurred because a lot of people have been working at this for a very long time, and will continue to work at it until they can go a full 24 hours in the toughest part of the year. At that point, non-renewable will be relegated to backup until it is not needed anymore.
Nice as this is, I always like to remind people that this means 100% of California’s electricity, not 100% of its total power. It’s nice that oil, gas, and coal are not being used for electricity but vast amounts are still used for transportation, heating, factories, farming, etc.
It's not even 100% of its electricity. Renewables don't come close to meeting California's electricity needs. It just happened to be that at a specific point in time, there was far more supply than there was demand, to the point where the fraction of supply that was renewable surpassed the total demand at that moment in time
Without having read it, your 40% is probably the annual average, whereas when the stars align, California has the capacity and capability to provide all of its energy from renewables, which it did for the first time today
Great to see the progress. What is the percentage for the year as a whole? We need to overbuild renewables so that on days that are favorable for solar and wind, there is a surplus of electricity.
Not replacing the nuclear powerplant providing 10 percent of your power 24/7 365 days a year with gas turbines would be a great start. Maybe build 5 more of those
Don't know why these almost irrelevant stats are always so upvoted. It doesn't mean AT ALL that the grid can be always renewable powered. Shutting down nuclear plants is a recipe for fucking disaster. Please don't shut down Diablo Canyon you donuts.
I’m in the industry and have worked extensively with DCNPP. I’m afraid it’s a done deal. California’s largest power plant shut down off of a referendum with no functional issues to the plant.
I'd really rather headlines here be more honest. Being overly incorrectly positive like this just gives the impression that the work is done, we've solved the problem, and we don't need to try any more.
The article itself was pretty fair, idk why people in the comments are so worked up about the headline which does its best within a short space. I can't think of a better headline in 59 characters.
Yes. And you barely have no water at all. You have to beg for it or steal it. You robbed the Owens Valley and now they have dust storms up there where they used to have a beautiful lake.
More like "100 percent powered by renewables for 15 mins at peak hour for the first time". These -misleading yet true- titles are the reason why people have mindless debates and quarrels on the internet.
Pumped hydro is pretty sick when it comes to large scale storage. Problem is no water where the sun shines(southwest us)and no space to create new storage areas(single endangered ant in the area = nope)
You know decarbonised reliable energy can only come from nuclear and hydro. Everyone here stroking their genitals for a 15 MINUTE RUN of power, without any tipe of meaningful storage, while California is burning methane like it's 1910 to supply for their idiotic policies
It’s the first time it happened and is a legitimate accomplishment to celebrate. It’s a long road to fixing our energy and environmental problems, and there will be many firsts like this that bring us one step closer.
Those are during fire season, not for a lack of power but the transmission lines are old and tend to spark causing brushfires. That is why we went with solar/battery backup. If you have a house and can afford it, great option. I wish the feds would have 0% interest loans for solar.
Miss Wilson should weigh her words a bit more carefully. In an unlikely case someone who acknowledges the existence of fossil-fueled car engines actually reads her article...
Neat, will there be enough when everyone in the state is running their AC in the summer and fall? Or will it be another year of rolling brown outs for electricity rationing?
On Saturday April 30, 2022 (the claimed date) the lowest output of power from natural gas power plants for the California grid was 2 GW. Around this same time California exported 4 GW of electricity. Source is the
But fox news said CA is a democratic hell hole filled with illegals and aborshins!!! Funny how i mention the budget surpluses that CA and CO got that result in taxpayers getting checks in the mail and my conservative relatives look like deers caught in the headlights.
That mirrors the story of how the Salton Sea was created. Agricultural runoff chemicals were diverted into a dip in the desert landscape. Each year it becomes more & more salty as it has no additional water supply. It was once a stop over for many birds & waterfowl as they migrated. But it is so disgusting that it is no longer an inland waterway, & has not been a tourist attraction for many years. I visited with my family in 1965, & found a perfectly round rock, that looks like a softball. People have literally begged me to habit sliced in half to see if it’s a geode. I still have it among my memorabilia
If they got all the homeless pushing those big wheels like in the beginning of Conan: The Barbarian they would have a stable job, get exercise, and power a LOT of stuff!
Not 100% by solar, but renewables. And no they won’t always be powered 100% by solar but for a short period of time they were which is still impressive
…for 15 minutes. And the state of current “renewable” production (eg focused on Solar) will almost certainly never get to 100% of demand on a year round basis.
Right till the rolling black outs hit again this summer and they need to buy additional power, the the over loaded grid starts more fires. Where are they getting the additional power for all the electric cars? California's a joke
To be fair it's not all Californias fault the water situation the west is seeing, it is definitely going to get worse but its kind of on all the states using the rocky mountains water. We are building out of control with no foresight to realize water is the most vital element we need. I know locally where I am the city recently shut down a new housing development citing lack of water. The whole world is a mess when it comes to protecting our future natural resources it is truly sad.
This is nice and all, but when they started complaining about issues with imported panels, they lost me. If they are panels from China, they are potentially made by slaves. I thought we were against that sort of thing?
That's great is that from other states renewables? I bet it is mostly from other states. Can't really say that is is from all renewable since it is all part of the same grid. I know that my home state makes a huge amount of renewable but it all goes to other states since they get more money selling it to other states and purchasing non renewable electricity. Until the whole grid is renewable no state can state that they are. I can state i am using only renewable but how can you make sure that your elections are renewable?
Sure if you consider damming up rivers, which hurt fish stocks, and piping that power through hundreds of miles of land from other states. Seems like it's good?!
Good for them I guess. Personally, I believe the only affordable and clean variant is nuclear. Unfortunately, nuclear got a bad rep thanks to both and communism and corporate greed.
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Can we sell some power for water?
At some point in the very near future you will have a large amount of surplus electricity during the day when the sun is out. More than can be sold or stored. Desalination is a good use for this as a way for California to use that power to make fresh water.
Arkansas is up for a little trade. Rain water for electricity? Straight across?
This man California's.
Cali is slowly getting better at preserving the water it's got.
It's California, so you could feasibly use some power to get water, yeah. Desalination is a thing, it's just energy-expensive.
Desalination means
Stop making almond milk and you will have plenty..
Considering you guys already buy water from idaho I don't think thats the problem.
Rednecks always going on about building more oil pipelines when we should maybe be considering water pipelines to transport water from water rich areas to drought areas. Seems like it could be done and would just be another way humans alter the environment to suit our needs.
I'm from the north east. Most of our power is created by hydroelectric supplemented by fossil fuel with a spattering of wind, solar and nuclear. Some of it coming from Quebec. It's definitely not a solar region but it's part of the mix. Its just gonna take time, efficiency, and money to get to a point when it makes sense.
The hybrid approach is how we should be doing this
There was a wind project in the north east which was stopped from being constructed due to there being no capacity in the powerlines for transporting that electricity. You're gonna alos need a massive investment in bigger powerlines too
I don’t think the US east coast really realizes how much power Quebec, Labrador, Ontario, and the Atlantic provinces sell them. We have an absolutely gigantic amount of hydro, so much that multiple Canadian provinces could be 100% powered by hydro if we needed to.
I'm from the northeast but kive in Quebec now.
I’m from Kentucky where we have friends of coal license plates. Like what about the coal industry is good? The killing children in the 1900s or maybe shit working conditions to this day that leave miners in poor condition by the time they age. Or maybe it’s the soot in the air they leave behind? All just something i can stand behind.
So is California's. This title is misleading. Most electricity in California comes from gas, hydroelectric, and nuclear.
Except doesn’t San Diego import nearly all of its power from out of state, leading to the most expensive electricity in the country? If this is the case why is there not a decrease in prices for the state. Source:I live in San Diego and the prices are brutal.
The title is a little misleading. Basically the energy produced by renewables was able to meet the needs of California for a full 15 min on Saturday.
Seems like inland San Diego would be a great spot for solar. Is there not enough land?
When you look up the worst power company in America, the first result is San Diego Gas and Electric. What a horrible public utility.
SDG&E is the biggest racket ever. Even if the rest of the state is making money selling power to other states, I fully believe SDG&E will figure out a way to charge a fee for that and somehow none of the profits will reduce their rates.
I live here too fuck SDGE
As someone who just moved to San Diego I A) Am sad to read San Diego might have the most expensive electricity in the US and B) can definitely confirm electricity here is bad. As if paying ~$100 for each tank of gas wasn't bad enough I am paying ~$120-130 for a month of electricity. And what's worse is I'm just 1 guy living in my little 600 sq ft apartment. Like how much damn electricity do I even use??
Just moved here... Holy fuck you're not kidding. Never thought I'd miss Edison
That’s what SDG&E gives as a reason anyway. The real reason is because they’re owned by a public company that will do anything and everything they can to increase their profits because that makes shareholders happy
You don't need heating or cooling for about 330 days a year, windows always open, excellent mosquito control, excellent breezes. Unless you're not on the coast, but it gets rural pretty quickly a few miles in.
Was it possible for those 15 minutes because of current mild temperatures?
Yes you can see here that this was at the lowest point of demand during the day and spring days require less power than summer when AC is on.
Correct. It's a start - the first flight occurred under absolutely ideal conditions and lasted all of 12 seconds. Now at any given time there are thousands of aircraft in the air traveling for hours on end. Progress begins with fits and starts.
It occurred because a lot of people have been working at this for a very long time, and will continue to work at it until they can go a full 24 hours in the toughest part of the year. At that point, non-renewable will be relegated to backup until it is not needed anymore.
Nice as this is, I always like to remind people that this means 100% of California’s electricity, not 100% of its total power. It’s nice that oil, gas, and coal are not being used for electricity but vast amounts are still used for transportation, heating, factories, farming, etc.
It’s still very fucking impressive. I’m still looking for the comment that says this is not true.
I just saw a story that they will not shut down the last nuclear power plant because they still need it after 2026.
It's not even 100% of its electricity. Renewables don't come close to meeting California's electricity needs. It just happened to be that at a specific point in time, there was far more supply than there was demand, to the point where the fraction of supply that was renewable surpassed the total demand at that moment in time
Transportation is the largest consumer of oil. Until we see electric taking over there, we’re not really doing that great.
Agreed, but this comment gives off party pooper vibes
Not going to happen in the upper Midwest anytime soon. Come on, June!
Midwest is further along than you might think. Right now (9:20 pm central time) over 50% of the power is renewables.
True, but at least you might be able to hit 100% carbon-free with Atomic and Geothermal energy.
Don't be pessimistic.
Now if California would build a bunch of desalination plants and supply their own water they’d rule the world.
They are working on that actually. Cali isn’t fucking around.
I hope all the US gets there soon.
The US is pretty much headed that way. Renewable energy is on the rise everywhere.
Not too sure about this article, most other places online show over 40% dependace on natural gas
Without having read it, your 40% is probably the annual average, whereas when the stars align, California has the capacity and capability to provide all of its energy from renewables, which it did for the first time today
The article says that the 100% lasted for 15 minutes
"Not too sure about this article"
This was 100% for 15 minutes. Not 100% year-round, but still a massively important milestone.
Great to see the progress. What is the percentage for the year as a whole? We need to overbuild renewables so that on days that are favorable for solar and wind, there is a surplus of electricity.
Not replacing the nuclear powerplant providing 10 percent of your power 24/7 365 days a year with gas turbines would be a great start. Maybe build 5 more of those
California's electricity consumption in 2020 (including imports)
Don't know why these almost irrelevant stats are always so upvoted. It doesn't mean AT ALL that the grid can be always renewable powered. Shutting down nuclear plants is a recipe for fucking disaster. Please don't shut down Diablo Canyon you donuts.
I’m in the industry and have worked extensively with DCNPP. I’m afraid it’s a done deal. California’s largest power plant shut down off of a referendum with no functional issues to the plant.
Then why the fuck do I still have to pay PG&E like $500 a month?? Lol
To pay for their fuck ups
100% renewables powered the whole state for 15 minutes. What is the lowest percentage of renewable energy during a typical day in California?
Now they just need a power grid capable of distribution without failing when temperatures go above 85 degrees.
I'd really rather headlines here be more honest. Being overly incorrectly positive like this just gives the impression that the work is done, we've solved the problem, and we don't need to try any more.
The article itself was pretty fair, idk why people in the comments are so worked up about the headline which does its best within a short space. I can't think of a better headline in 59 characters.
Oooh! 15 whole minutes!
I mean, 15 minutes for an entire state is pree cool
Yes. And you barely have no water at all. You have to beg for it or steal it. You robbed the Owens Valley and now they have dust storms up there where they used to have a beautiful lake.
And yet SCE keeps increasing peoples electricity bills.
Hey, that’s pretty good
More like "100 percent powered by renewables for 15 mins at peak hour for the first time". These -misleading yet true- titles are the reason why people have mindless debates and quarrels on the internet.
For 15 minutes lol
This is blatantly false. California is in no way 100% powered by renewables. California buys most of its power from other states.
Intentionally misleading titles only vaporize their credibility.
....until everyone kicks on their air conditioners.
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Pumped hydro is pretty sick when it comes to large scale storage. Problem is no water where the sun shines(southwest us)and no space to create new storage areas(single endangered ant in the area = nope)
Lucky you, the californians have a brilliant idea: let's shut down all nuclear plants!
Wait a minute didnt Gavin want to operate nuclear power plants longer than 2025????
You know decarbonised reliable energy can only come from nuclear and hydro. Everyone here stroking their genitals for a 15 MINUTE RUN of power, without any tipe of meaningful storage, while California is burning methane like it's 1910 to supply for their idiotic policies
I can't wait for the US to be 100% powered by renewables so we get out of the Middle East
The US actually uses mostly its' own-produced oil. The shit in the Middle East is for market control, not to get cheaper oil.
It was for a few minutes, lol.
It’s the first time it happened and is a legitimate accomplishment to celebrate. It’s a long road to fixing our energy and environmental problems, and there will be many firsts like this that bring us one step closer.
That's how technology works, it will get longer and longer.
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So no rolling blackouts. . .
Those are during fire season, not for a lack of power but the transmission lines are old and tend to spark causing brushfires. That is why we went with solar/battery backup. If you have a house and can afford it, great option. I wish the feds would have 0% interest loans for solar.
Misleading title.
Any chance this will drop the cost of bills?...
Isn't this like the 3rd 1st time
100% should mean “all.” There shouldn’t be a 101% or anything higher
Miss Wilson should weigh her words a bit more carefully. In an unlikely case someone who acknowledges the existence of fossil-fueled car engines actually reads her article...
I fought there was a first time already.
California has been building a lot of solar the last few years but also decommissioning nuclear. We get a 90° night there are going to be blackouts.
At what cost let kw? In New York it’s 22-25 cent
Just wait. For the summer to roll around.
Then why is my electrical bill so damn expensive. This is amazing though. Just need to figure out the water issue
Going to need some of that power for desalination plants.
Lots of whopping happening
Neat, will there be enough when everyone in the state is running their AC in the summer and fall? Or will it be another year of rolling brown outs for electricity rationing?
Nope
But they dont have water
enjoy the blackouts this summer!
On Saturday April 30, 2022 (the claimed date) the lowest output of power from natural gas power plants for the California grid was 2 GW. Around this same time California exported 4 GW of electricity. Source is the
On to building water makers.
Should be a picture of the hydro electric dams in Washington not of solar panels. We sell mote electricity to California than we use ourselves.
Negative comment say what?
Then why is electricity codt going up
I find this claim dubious, unless all cars, heaters, industrial equipment, etc. are also powered by renewables.
Great news but then I remember how massive amounts of pollution from China end up in California within days of the pollution being created.
If this is true, why am I paying for regular and green energy on my smud bill?
Only lasted for 15 minutes, still it's impressive given how much energy they use.
This is great, but keep in mind it was only for 15 minutes.
But fox news said CA is a democratic hell hole filled with illegals and aborshins!!! Funny how i mention the budget surpluses that CA and CO got that result in taxpayers getting checks in the mail and my conservative relatives look like deers caught in the headlights.
This is blatantly false. California is in no way 100% powered by renewables. California buys most of its power from other states.
This is just lefty propaganda, right?
RIP California desert ecosystems
Reddit loves this but hates the man responsible 😂
cough,,cough,, bullshit cough, cough.
I work for SCE in LA County and I can promise you that this headline is false. California is still heavily powered by coal power plants.
Wait, so the rolling blackouts in LA my friends have daily are just their imagination!?!?
California also has most homeless, serious immigration problems, and is broke.
…for 15 minutes. Can the mods please take care of misleading articles like this?
That mirrors the story of how the Salton Sea was created. Agricultural runoff chemicals were diverted into a dip in the desert landscape. Each year it becomes more & more salty as it has no additional water supply. It was once a stop over for many birds & waterfowl as they migrated. But it is so disgusting that it is no longer an inland waterway, & has not been a tourist attraction for many years. I visited with my family in 1965, & found a perfectly round rock, that looks like a softball. People have literally begged me to habit sliced in half to see if it’s a geode. I still have it among my memorabilia
such a misleading post that many will take as "gospel"
Welcome to Reddit, home of nonsense.
Enlighten me Sophocles
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Not even in the slightest
say what?! California is absolutely NOT powered 100% by renewables! Is this a joke?!
It was, for 15 minutes that is. Classic sensationalism
Yet here I am without power for the last 3 hours 😪
Wait for it, it's renewing.
Maybe that's how it was done?
What kind of bs is this? No it’s not. Not even remotely close…
Doubt.
You are correct.
Then why tf my pge so expensive
So it lasted 15 minutes. As cool as it is, this title is very misleading.
Bills higher than ever
If they got all the homeless pushing those big wheels like in the beginning of Conan: The Barbarian they would have a stable job, get exercise, and power a LOT of stuff!
Are those renewables manufactured with renewable energy aswell?
That's a very strange article. Somehow I doubt that California is being powered 100% by solar power.
Not 100% by solar, but renewables. And no they won’t always be powered 100% by solar but for a short period of time they were which is still impressive
There is hope.
PG&E's content label says they get 34% from Natural Gas, but that's as of 2020.. Have things changed?
Nuclear should be way more prevalent too.
…for 15 minutes. And the state of current “renewable” production (eg focused on Solar) will almost certainly never get to 100% of demand on a year round basis.
Right till the rolling black outs hit again this summer and they need to buy additional power, the the over loaded grid starts more fires. Where are they getting the additional power for all the electric cars? California's a joke
Misleading as fuck
Does it really count when they can't keep the lights on? I mean if rolling blackouts count as being 100% powered, then I guess so.
“But but but you burn coal to charge your car” my thick headed friends.
i 100% doubt this
And Texas can't keep the heat or lights on...
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To be fair it's not all Californias fault the water situation the west is seeing, it is definitely going to get worse but its kind of on all the states using the rocky mountains water. We are building out of control with no foresight to realize water is the most vital element we need. I know locally where I am the city recently shut down a new housing development citing lack of water. The whole world is a mess when it comes to protecting our future natural resources it is truly sad.
We'll be out of oil for the first time in some decades...
That statement has been made so often in the past. When oil gets more expensive more sources suddenly get economical to extract it from
This is nice and all, but when they started complaining about issues with imported panels, they lost me. If they are panels from China, they are potentially made by slaves. I thought we were against that sort of thing?
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I hate these types of articles. Yes, increased renewable capacity is good news, but we still power at night and on calm/cloudy days.
Nice now all the homeless people can sleep well knowing they’re using barely reliable shitty green energy!
Good for them :)
This isn’t true
Source: Dude trust me
Ah yes, the asshole of the United States
Texas?
That's great is that from other states renewables? I bet it is mostly from other states. Can't really say that is is from all renewable since it is all part of the same grid. I know that my home state makes a huge amount of renewable but it all goes to other states since they get more money selling it to other states and purchasing non renewable electricity. Until the whole grid is renewable no state can state that they are. I can state i am using only renewable but how can you make sure that your elections are renewable?
There's no difference between having separate grids and having one grid where you pay for a specific chunk of it.
Yeah but EVERYTHING else in the state is in shambles... ⚖️
Not really
Yes; California is rekt.
Rollin rollin rollin, keep those blackouts rollin.
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Why the heck is PG&E hitting me up for an 18% increase then?
Sure if you consider damming up rivers, which hurt fish stocks, and piping that power through hundreds of miles of land from other states. Seems like it's good?!
Today I learned all those gasoline cars on the highway are actually powered by renewables?
Hat's off to you California! Well done. What a great effort, if only the rest of the Western World could be so progressive.
this legit?
Gonna be right back down to 72% when the Hoover Dam stops working.
So all their cars are electric....?
Good for them I guess. Personally, I believe the only affordable and clean variant is nuclear. Unfortunately, nuclear got a bad rep thanks to both and communism and corporate greed.
How do they keep the sun from going down? Serious question.
Now give the homeless a place to live in peace
Fake. California imports most of electricity from places that burn fossil fuels.
No they fucking aren’t.
No we arent
Congrats Cali! Now let’s clean up your air, water, and beaches…
If they had that nuke plant online, maybe they wouldnt have to drain lake Meade.
Well... maybe Canada can build a pipe line to uhh... deliver fresh water then?
For how many milliseconds?
based california
I'll believe it when we in WA are no longer selling then buying back our hydroelectric surplus every year.
We’re just gunna ignore all those cars stuck in la traffic this morning lol