This explains why Homer has all those crazy get rich quick schemes to get money. Selling grease and Farmer Homer’s Sweet Sweet Sugar, doing the grifts with Bart, and all the others. The man was just trying to support his family the best he could.
Meanwhile while on these adventures he would take long unexplained absences from his actual job, so I'm gonna say he's not the brightest bulb in the pack.
I'm saying you're what's wrong with America, Simpson. You coast through life, you do as little as possible and you leach off decent, hard-working people- like me. If you lived in any other country in the world - you'd have starved to death long ago.
even to this day Grimes entire spiel bothers me on so many levels, Like where we suppose to agree with any part of his statement, he was a ignorant as he claimed Homer was.
And $15k in 1980 was about $55k today. If the average price for a 4BR home in 1980 was $75k ($275k today) then he’d have about a $60k mortgage ($215k today), so for an 9% loan at the time which was about average, his monthly payments on a 30 year fixed mortgage was about $500/month in 1996 dollars.
That lines up with the early seasons where they have to sell their TV for family therapy or cut what meager enjoyments they have for dog obedience training, where $50 was a blow to their finances.
One of these days we'll form a union, and get the fair and equitable treatment we deserve! Then we'll go too far, and become corrupt and shiftless, and the Japanese will eat us alive!
I can vouch for central NY having an economic formula that has many many families living this way including me. I make 22.90 an hour, have a stay at home wife, three kids and a mortgage I'm three years into. Only one car though.
I live in the Twin Cities and we’re about the same. Husband makes about what you make, I’m a SAHM, eight years into a mortgage and two cars. We’re not extravagant but we’re also not complete penny pinchers. It did take us several years of scrimping to get to this point, but we’re comfortable and we do have some savings.
My state (Indiana) has a local (county/city) tax that is administered and collected as part of the state income tax but remitted directly back to the relevant municipality by the state, and the rate varies by the county/city though with heavy regulation by the state. It shows up as a separate line item on some pay stubs, but some just show the combined local+state amount as a single line usually labeled as state tax.
I'm just confused as to why Homer is having that much deducted (unless he's withholding extra since he has so many side jobs!) for federal income tax. Gross pay of $479.60 per week, 52 weeks per year is $24,939. Assumed married filing jointly, minus $6,700 standard deduction. Minus $7,650 for dependent exemptions. Leaves taxable income of $10,589. 15% rate at the time. Tax of $1,588 if no other deductions. But he's paying $2,925 a year!
Everyone seems to forget the money he made and continues to make from “Baby On Board,” and whatever residuals still come in from the Simpsons equivalent of Sirius XM playing Sadgasm on Lithium.
Since we can see the state tax I wonder if it’s possible to narrow down what state they are in. Seems like state taxes are pretty varied and we know what year it was. Now I’m just a simple hyperchicken lawyer so I don’t much mess with them numbers there but maybe if someone more mathematically inclined could take a look.
How the fuck can he afford his alcoholism on that money? Is the Simpsons universe running on a 1940s post WW2 economy? Does Moe only charge like 3c for a beer? Is petrol only like 50c a litre?
So I added the totals and he was grossing roughly 479.60 per paycheck and yearly (assuming he's getting paid biweekly) he was making (roughly) $12500 which is like $6.25 hourly.
Not as much inflation and no student loans, and this episode was around the time that I think there was a budget surplus? (I was only in grade school at the time so I didn’t pay attention to any of the economy stuff back then).
That makes the cost of the Bear Patrol tax even more outrageous. Especially when he already pays the Homer Tax
That's the home owner tax
Yeah, but have you seen any Bears? It's working. Stop messing with results.
Let grizz632 pay the bear tax. I pay the beer tax.
I see your user name. You just want them to eliminate the Bear Patrol!
And still had money leftover to buy Lisa’s rock!
Well, it is like a freakin bear country jambaroo around there
That episode is even more relevant today than it was when it first aired.
Let the bears pay the bear tax. I pay the Homer tax!
He owns the Denver Broncos. The Simpson family will be just fine
The Denver Broncos? You just don't understand football, Marge....
Simpson country, let's ride
Every time I see a comment like this, it makes me crave Simpsons episodes were we get follow-ups.
Uh.. have you seen the Broncos lately?
I think you mean the IMPSON family
Let the bears pay the Bear Tax!
I pay the Homer tax!
It’s like a country bear jambaroo out there!
This explains why Homer has all those crazy get rich quick schemes to get money. Selling grease and Farmer Homer’s Sweet Sweet Sugar, doing the grifts with Bart, and all the others. The man was just trying to support his family the best he could.
how else is he supposed to achieve financial independence? through savings and wise investments?
That's groundskeeper Willie's retirement grease. He won't let that go without a fight
Don't forget Tomacco!
Meanwhile while on these adventures he would take long unexplained absences from his actual job, so I'm gonna say he's not the brightest bulb in the pack.
Hey, the man just wanted 3 money and no children.
Do it for her.
I'm saying you're what's wrong with America, Simpson. You coast through life, you do as little as possible and you leach off decent, hard-working people- like me. If you lived in any other country in the world - you'd have starved to death long ago.
I love bart's immediate "he's got you there dad"
“Is this you in space??”
Would you like to see my Grammy award?
...And ::sniff, sniff:: Lobster for dinner!
I live above a bowling alley and below another bowling alley.
...And ::sniff, sniff:: Lobster for dinner!
even to this day Grimes entire spiel bothers me on so many levels, Like where we suppose to agree with any part of his statement, he was a ignorant as he claimed Homer was.
No student loans, and Grandpa put $15k down for Homer's house.
I didn’t even know what a nucular panner plant was!
And $15k in 1980 was about $55k today. If the average price for a 4BR home in 1980 was $75k ($275k today) then he’d have about a $60k mortgage ($215k today), so for an 9% loan at the time which was about average, his monthly payments on a 30 year fixed mortgage was about $500/month in 1996 dollars.
If we delve into the lore Grandpa had the money because he sold his house, which he in turn won on a crooked game show.
Yes but with all of Homer’s injuries they are probably in debt for about 500million
Looks like bad news for the Impson family.
They have a joke later about Marge feeding the whole family on $12 a week.
"I stretch your father's meatloaf with sawdust"
But those fat cats waste a lot of plankton
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My math may be off, but I think he made $12 an hour per that stub - not too bad in 1996, minimum wage was $4.75
That's about 2740 a month in today's money. For a family of 5, that isn't much. Burns really is an old miser
TBF Homer also doesn't do anything at work
That lines up with the early seasons where they have to sell their TV for family therapy or cut what meager enjoyments they have for dog obedience training, where $50 was a blow to their finances.
It's also worth noting that's net. So it's take home pay, not how people normally talk about their income, though.
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Don't ask me how the economy works
How's old Grimey doing?
He’s worked 10 years at the same salary. So that $367.19 (before the bear tax) was based off a 1981 living wage. Of course, Mr. Burns is a miser.
One of these days we'll form a union, and get the fair and equitable treatment we deserve! Then we'll go too far, and become corrupt and shiftless, and the Japanese will eat us alive!
Hopefully he has enough left over to buy Lisa's rock that keeps tigers away.
Marge: Bart, your father and I don't want you working there. Homer, say something.
So around 12 bucks an hour before taxes?
$11.99
What?!?? This is an outrage!!! It’s the biggest tax increase in history!!!
I can vouch for central NY having an economic formula that has many many families living this way including me. I make 22.90 an hour, have a stay at home wife, three kids and a mortgage I'm three years into. Only one car though.
I live in the Twin Cities and we’re about the same. Husband makes about what you make, I’m a SAHM, eight years into a mortgage and two cars. We’re not extravagant but we’re also not complete penny pinchers. It did take us several years of scrimping to get to this point, but we’re comfortable and we do have some savings.
Wtf. Where!? I’m gonna have to make my way upstate. I’d love to own a cabin or something where I don’t have to see anyone for dayssssss.
Dude I live in Rochester and that's definitely not a living wage for a family of five, much less a single individual lmao
He has Veteran Benefits
Thats like $35k per year in 2022 dollars.
He wants 3 money and no kids.
He's also paying state taxes, so I guess we know that Springfield is not in AK, FL, NV, NH, SD, TN, TX, WA, or WY.
and $12 an hour as a nuclear safety technician .. damn
To be fair, he’s not a very good nuclear safety technician.
So Nuclear Safety Inspector only pays $12/hr?
And he was able to afford for marge to stay home, 2 cars, 2 pets, 3 kids and a bucket of fish heads for the one in the attic. Simpler times
Wait, are municipal taxes deducted at the source in the US? Wild.
Some places but not everywhere. Where I live/work now it's not. But I'm pretty sure it was when I lived in New York.
Not usually but it varies by municipality.
My state (Indiana) has a local (county/city) tax that is administered and collected as part of the state income tax but remitted directly back to the relevant municipality by the state, and the rate varies by the county/city though with heavy regulation by the state. It shows up as a separate line item on some pay stubs, but some just show the combined local+state amount as a single line usually labeled as state tax.
In New York City and Yonkers, NY they do.
Municipal income taxes are uncommon in the US.
Only a handful cities(usually either really big or really small ones) in the US impose an income tax. Most localities are funded by property taxes.
That's like 30% more than minimum wage where I'm from.
Don't ask me how the economy works
“We’re here, we’re queer, and we don’t want anymore bears!”
$5.00 for a police force patrol for bears ? Sound cheap if you ask me
Still, let the bears pay it.
Pretty sure they had a B2 Stealth Bomber patrolling from the sky. $5 a month is a bargain!
Doesn't Marge put sawdust in their food?
She feeds the family on $12 a week
And yet he affords sniffs lobster for dinner!
And lobsters for dinner!0
So Ned Flanders landers earns $389.19 a week.
Dude should be happy to have a job in mall
Ann Landers is a boring old biddy
This is not a bad salary for a guy with only a high school education.
Planet Money did a podcast a while back on the subject and how Homer Simpson is no longer middle class, but poor.
And somehow the all manage to have the latest smart devices on the newer seasons, and have enough money to keep two cars with gas.
I'm just confused as to why Homer is having that much deducted (unless he's withholding extra since he has so many side jobs!) for federal income tax. Gross pay of $479.60 per week, 52 weeks per year is $24,939. Assumed married filing jointly, minus $6,700 standard deduction. Minus $7,650 for dependent exemptions. Leaves taxable income of $10,589. 15% rate at the time. Tax of $1,588 if no other deductions. But he's paying $2,925 a year!
Oregon has no state income tax.
He has no mortgage
So that’s how he affords his mansion.
Wait..... Springfield Power Company? All these years I've been saying crabapple, I mean the Nuclear Plant!
Everyone seems to forget the money he made and continues to make from “Baby On Board,” and whatever residuals still come in from the Simpsons equivalent of Sirius XM playing Sadgasm on Lithium.
“…A dream house, two cars, a beautiful wife, a son who owns a factory, fancy clothes, and (sniffs) lobsters for dinner!”
Since we can see the state tax I wonder if it’s possible to narrow down what state they are in. Seems like state taxes are pretty varied and we know what year it was. Now I’m just a simple hyperchicken lawyer so I don’t much mess with them numbers there but maybe if someone more mathematically inclined could take a look.
Total pay 479.60$ makes the state tax rate 2.18%. In 1996, 14 states would have had this percentage in their income tax margins.
But has the Bear Patrol tax stayed fixed or moved with inflation?
I imagine raised, that B2 Spirit wasn't free.
That's how they have sniffs lobster for dinner!
You’ve been to space?
That’s what I’m making now (22.61/hr) 😭
How much have bear patrols gone up to?
Now I understand why Marge was angry at Homer for buying Assassins.
He’d be making $47k/year in 2022 (pre tax)
We’re here, we’re queer, we don’t want any more bears!
IT’S THE BIGGEST TAX INCREASE IN HISTORY
How can he still manage to afford a house, 3 kids, 2 pets, 2 cars, a stay at home wife and beer money?
I don't know. Don't ask me how the economy works.
Because he stood up for himself and told the bears to pay the bear tax since he's already paying the homer tax
Even with a paid off house, no student loans, and no health insurance(?), supporting a family of 5 on a net pay of $35,000 does not sound easy.
Lol wish I made 22/hrr
Same, my dude. Same.
Did anyone look at up state tax rates for that year to figure out what state Springfield is in?
What’s sad is that the income isn’t too different from what many people make today.
This equates to a salary of $47381/year.
How the fuck can he afford his alcoholism on that money? Is the Simpsons universe running on a 1940s post WW2 economy? Does Moe only charge like 3c for a beer? Is petrol only like 50c a litre?
Not sure how it is down under, but here in America we live in perpetual debt..
He made $11.99 an hour
Sad thing: now days he would make double I earn as a physician with speciality and master degree 😅🥲... Hurray for America latina...
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Well lah-dee-dah, I bet you call your Car Hole a ~Garage~ too.
So I added the totals and he was grossing roughly 479.60 per paycheck and yearly (assuming he's getting paid biweekly) he was making (roughly) $12500 which is like $6.25 hourly.
that's a weekly paycheck - 40 hours
Explains a lot why the job went to Homer and why he keeps it honestly. Burns knows her can't find anyone who is actually qualified at that rate.
Let's at least hope he gets paid weekly and not biweekly
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3700$/month canadian? Take home?
That's some good payroll work by Mr. Johnson or Johnstone.
man i wish i was homer
That's about what a first year teacher makes in my district.
That check is as much as 1 month of comed bills for me.
Better than I thought!
He's a millionaire!! Wow!!
That’s about what my net pay was in grad school in 2002 not adjusting for inflation.
Yet in newer episodes, he brags about bringing home 5k at year f.e. Man, what a blunder.
No wonder why he had so many side hustles
In 2006, he claimed to make $600 a year, so clearly the math doesn’t add up anyway
How much would a safety inspector at a nuclear plant earn?
Still more than I make :/
That’s about what I make… does this make me rich?
Not as much inflation and no student loans, and this episode was around the time that I think there was a budget surplus? (I was only in grade school at the time so I didn’t pay attention to any of the economy stuff back then).
That’s still more than I make after 2 years of school.
He was able to support them with all the money he made as the beer baron 😅
He's had a LOT of side jobs though, some hypothetically would pay quite well.
Incorrect, with today money is like $420. . Because we don’t get enough pay increase to match inflation.
What about insurance and retirement?
Tbf that bear tax is pretty crazy
As others have brought up, they live in a crappy town. Go live in a crappy area and you can swing a lot more on a paycheck.
He never worked a 40 hour work week
Let the bears pay the bear tax. I pay the Homer tax.
That's home OWNER tax
Pffft I make more than that and I don't even know what a nuclear panner plant is.
TIL Homer Simpson makes more than me :(
In 1996, I was making that every two weeks and my rent was $350 for a room in someone's house.
Is 1k weekly take home good nowadays?
How much is that in dollarydoos?
Hows he pay for that Mansion, two cars and still manage to have lobster for dinner?
I only pay the Homer tax.
For a family of five that’s insane. For me that would be a blessing 💀💀
11.99 per hour
Was that the standard pay for a chair moistener or could he have taken it up with the Union?
Here’s a theory: what if we only see the “get rich quick” schemes that didn’t work? What if he had one that did we just never saw it?
If Homer was living alone that wouldn't be too bad
If that's a week then that totals to $142,513.28 a year. Homer makes good ass money.
You might want to try your math again. There aren't 468 weeks in Smarch.
how?
Can't base your calculations on metric time, buddy.
481.60×52= 25043.12 where are you getting over 30k?
That's almost 25k a year before taxes. Righteous bucks
So he was making $11.99 per hour?
$11.99 an hour. Sign me up
Whats more concerning is how little was grimey getting paid because it seemed less then homer and why would he stay and be mad at homer
That’s pretty shit for a power plant worker
More like $1000 not $685
My post about it and I think this image is from there