Before he gets hate for his skin tone, Joel is Native American Cree. It’s not fair to invalidate people’s ethnic identities just because they don’t look like your stereotypical view of what a Native American “should” look like.
Yeah, I'm mixed hispanic but I inherited my mother's lighter skin so most people have no idea what my actual ethnicity is. Same with my brother. People are always surprised to see my father has dark, dark skin. Genes are funny that way sometimes.
It would have been really nice to see black-native mixed actors cast for the water tribe characters. Since most native people are mixed. But mixed white-native is certainly not the only legitimate option. Another great option could be expanding casting to ethically and cultural native people in Latin America, such as Honduras or Peru, or indigenous Mexican, think Danny Trejo. This would be neat as it’s not just a matter of skin tone, but also facial features that represent Inuit and other First Nations people before colonizers forced intermarriage (and mostly sexual assault tbh).
Yeah it pisses me off when people say someone doesn’t look native even if they are. I’m with the gwich’in, Cree by blood, but white as rice (because that’s what happens when your family has kids with white folks). To outsiders I’m white, but to my community, family, and other natives, I’m as native as them. If I had a nickel for everytime I was told I’m too white to be native, I’d have a very nice savings account.
This is the comment I was looking for, seemed wierd they would cast a white actor after they were so gung-ho about ppl of Asian and Native-American descent.thnx!
I am mixed too, and white washing isn’t cool. If you have a fully native character it should be played by a full native. He’s way too light and I’m so pissed.
I don't mind the skin tone too much but i think it would fit a bit more in-line with Hakoda who has spent an excessively long time at sea and fight outdoors. I actually just hope that he can wear blue contact lens or they modify post-filming.
Yeah, but I would like him to look like the actors for Katara and Sokka. I would like them to at least look like they are from the same race/ethnicity.
"Before he gets hate for his skin tone "...... no one can see a problem with this? Because the dudes lighter skinned or looks European it's acceptable to make hate comments?
White washing honestly doesn’t just reference the swapping of ethnicities. In cases like this the fair skin tone kinda is “white washing”. It’s like how when it comes to the castings of black actresses in Hollywood it’s usually a bi-racial light skin woman rather than someone who has a darker skin tone. Dark toned natives that would better represent the water tribes depiction in the show do in fact exist.
I’m mixed too, but a full blooded native should be played by a full blooded native. This is still white-washing and after Sokka this is not a harmless mistake. I’m tired of us being portrayed so light.
I was really holding out for Kalani Queypo, I knew fudging the truth about his age would hurt him rather than help him. He is older than the 35 he has on his profile, been following him for years.
Not be rude but more of just asking out curiosity is does he not have any real Native American heritage or is just not the right skin tone of his descent.
I would’ve liked to see some water tribe members be played by a few Polynesian. The creators did say they took Polynesian influence regarding the water tribe, and the people of the Water Tribes do heavily resemble Polynesians.
The water tribe in the series is primarily inspired by the Innuit, whom live primarily on the north-east part of what we call Canada and further towards the poles. There is quite litteraly a continent and an ocean between them and the Polynesians. : P
How the fuck do people have an issue with his skin colour? Their skin colours are so close to each other, actor's skin colour is like one tiny shade lighter.
Their complexions aren’t similar. It’s more than one shade. Ppl taking issue with it is fair since since most of the actors with darker complexions actors are of light or lighter than the characters skin tone.
Ya know I’m sure this guy will be great and all and but am I the only one who doesn’t like the live action idea? I mean, they already botched it once, do we really need it again?
So far it looks like they've been making sure as to stay faithful to it. We can't really know until we see something, but I'd say it's earned giving a chance.
I just don’t think live action is a good medium for this show. Half the charm of the original was the goofiness that could come from the animation. And I just also don’t trust child actors, and hell even adult actors sometimes.
Really tired of this white-washed casting with the water tribe members. I know I’ll get downvoted because this is reddit, but I’m pissed with the casting. All the other castings are perfect except for the brown people.
Every time I see a post about the live action show, I need to remind myself of the many failed live action remakes of animated shows over the years. I don't understand all the hype when basically all we have is a lot of casting (the casting does seem good, dont get me wrong) and very little tangible info on what we're in for. I'm not saying we need to all go doomer mode here; but some tempered expectations are in order, I think. Good casting cannot make up for poor writing and direction, and we know very little about what we're in for with that, beyond knowing Mike and Bryan exited the project very early on (which is an ill omen to me).
Lol many of those lDisney ive action adaptation are also based off books. The same books where those animated movies are based on like the Jungle Book.
You people are all like “make him go tan!” like that wouldn’t be an issue if they casted someone dark in the first place like Hakoda should be. This and Sokka’s castings are just so bad
8 episodes of an hour each or something covering book 1. It will also use new CGI things like they used in the Mandalorian and some high end CGI artists like one who worked on DUne will also be working on it. So that plus the pretty good casting makes it look pretty promising in my eyes
Watch them cast Dee Bradley Baker in a live-action role just for shits and giggles
Instead of flying around on Appa, they surf around on Dee Bradley Baker like SpongeBob rode David Hasselhoff
secret tunnellll
he looks like the guy(can't remember his name) from hangover
Bradly cooper?
He better keep the beard. Hakoda is looking handsome.
Before he gets hate for his skin tone, Joel is Native American Cree. It’s not fair to invalidate people’s ethnic identities just because they don’t look like your stereotypical view of what a Native American “should” look like.
"going a bit into the sun for a few days fixes it anyway"
Yeah, I'm mixed hispanic but I inherited my mother's lighter skin so most people have no idea what my actual ethnicity is. Same with my brother. People are always surprised to see my father has dark, dark skin. Genes are funny that way sometimes.
Thanks, was curious about this.
But that hairline! The eyes! I don't (personally) care what his background is, visually he is such a good match.
It would have been really nice to see black-native mixed actors cast for the water tribe characters. Since most native people are mixed. But mixed white-native is certainly not the only legitimate option. Another great option could be expanding casting to ethically and cultural native people in Latin America, such as Honduras or Peru, or indigenous Mexican, think Danny Trejo. This would be neat as it’s not just a matter of skin tone, but also facial features that represent Inuit and other First Nations people before colonizers forced intermarriage (and mostly sexual assault tbh).
Yeah it pisses me off when people say someone doesn’t look native even if they are. I’m with the gwich’in, Cree by blood, but white as rice (because that’s what happens when your family has kids with white folks). To outsiders I’m white, but to my community, family, and other natives, I’m as native as them. If I had a nickel for everytime I was told I’m too white to be native, I’d have a very nice savings account.
still why do they never hire dark skin people of these ethnicities for these roles
Only if Ian does, like father like son
This is the comment I was looking for, seemed wierd they would cast a white actor after they were so gung-ho about ppl of Asian and Native-American descent.thnx!
I am mixed too, and white washing isn’t cool. If you have a fully native character it should be played by a full native. He’s way too light and I’m so pissed.
Actual Native American (Mescalero Apache) here.
I don't mind the skin tone too much but i think it would fit a bit more in-line with Hakoda who has spent an excessively long time at sea and fight outdoors. I actually just hope that he can wear blue contact lens or they modify post-filming.
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Yeah, but I would like him to look like the actors for Katara and Sokka. I would like them to at least look like they are from the same race/ethnicity.
thank god, i thought they hired a non-native, i thought he would be poc but not native
"Before he gets hate for his skin tone "...... no one can see a problem with this? Because the dudes lighter skinned or looks European it's acceptable to make hate comments?
Beans 2020 seems to be a place they're finding actors from.
pls he’s so fine
I will never understand the thirst people online give to basic looking white men :/
In B4 someone asks about white washing: Joel Montgrand is First Nations (Cree). Skin tone does not equate ethnic identity.
Not Inuit, but hey, that’s at least something.
White washing honestly doesn’t just reference the swapping of ethnicities. In cases like this the fair skin tone kinda is “white washing”. It’s like how when it comes to the castings of black actresses in Hollywood it’s usually a bi-racial light skin woman rather than someone who has a darker skin tone. Dark toned natives that would better represent the water tribes depiction in the show do in fact exist.
the only natives they hire are the ones that look white
I’m mixed too, but a full blooded native should be played by a full blooded native. This is still white-washing and after Sokka this is not a harmless mistake. I’m tired of us being portrayed so light.
Actual Native American (Mescalero Apache) here
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All of the natives are white washed so there’s no point in liking this white passing man over the last one
Just send him to the beach for a summer.
Beautiful beard win.
he has a kind but powerful face i can’t wait to see this show man. it’s gonna have me crying
ummm this man should be HOT AS HELL as Hakoda is CLEARLY a 12/10
Like no offense to Joel, but this character should be unbearably attractive
I fancast Adam Beach for this but this guy looks so much like Hakoda omg
Ooh yeah that would work well
He's giving Daniel Dae Kim some competition in the DILF department.
Yep, that's the guy. Dunno why you posted 2 pics of him and none of Hakoda. Weird
what a dilf 🤭
He's already wearing the blue, he's ready
Dang, they found a werewolf.
I think he’s a good match for Hakoda.
I love how we went from hating the live action avatar movie to loving where this is going
What are you talking about? This is the first live action adaptation ever.
Oh, don’t worry, people will find tones of things to complain about once the show comes out.
Wow what a gorgeous human.
this man is white
I'm getting a little bit worried. Doesn't Hakoda only appear in season 2/Book Earth? Why would they cast him for season 1?
Hakoda does appear in a flashback in S1's "Bato of the Water Tribe".
Jesus Christ. This sub. Fucking embarrassed to be part of the same fandom as some of y’all.
Some hate any sense of doing something different or not firing their needs
How are people making this about his origin? Dude is going to play a fictional character.
This is cool
This works really well for me.
Let’s goooo
i could see that
I can definitely see it.
Temuera Morrison would’ve been good too
I was really holding out for Kalani Queypo, I knew fudging the truth about his age would hurt him rather than help him. He is older than the 35 he has on his profile, been following him for years.
I'll take it!!!
My only problem with the casting of avatar is only having( or mostly) fairskinned actors.
Actual Native American (Mescalero Apache) here ✌🏽
Not be rude but more of just asking out curiosity is does he not have any real Native American heritage or is just not the right skin tone of his descent.
Obviously a person's skin color is obviously more important than their personality or acting capability you racists in the comments.
I would’ve liked to see some water tribe members be played by a few Polynesian. The creators did say they took Polynesian influence regarding the water tribe, and the people of the Water Tribes do heavily resemble Polynesians.
The water tribe in the series is primarily inspired by the Innuit, whom live primarily on the north-east part of what we call Canada and further towards the poles. There is quite litteraly a continent and an ocean between them and the Polynesians. : P
I assume you mean the swamp benders, as opposed to the Inuit inspired north and south water tribes.
Honestly, a Polynesian inspired tribe makes more sense than a Cajun inspired one.
How the fuck do people have an issue with his skin colour? Their skin colours are so close to each other, actor's skin colour is like one tiny shade lighter.
hakoda just doesn’t look like a white man. this is bad casting to me
Their complexions aren’t similar. It’s more than one shade. Ppl taking issue with it is fair since since most of the actors with darker complexions actors are of light or lighter than the characters skin tone.
Ya know I’m sure this guy will be great and all and but am I the only one who doesn’t like the live action idea? I mean, they already botched it once, do we really need it again?
We do not speak of that failed attempt at a live action ATLA. LOL😂😂
I mean I am not super hot on the idea either but I gonna watch nonetheless.
So far it looks like they've been making sure as to stay faithful to it. We can't really know until we see something, but I'd say it's earned giving a chance.
the only avatar live action is the one with the blue people so itll be the first
I just don’t think live action is a good medium for this show. Half the charm of the original was the goofiness that could come from the animation. And I just also don’t trust child actors, and hell even adult actors sometimes.
Idk why people are upset at this. It's better then the casting for the live action movie. Oong would be happy at this casting.
Why does he remind me of Chris Evans in Infinity War?
The beard
Is this show still happening?
That is a whole white man
Really tired of this white-washed casting with the water tribe members. I know I’ll get downvoted because this is reddit, but I’m pissed with the casting. All the other castings are perfect except for the brown people.
Yeah the sucks that could get a full native person but I am more focus on the actually acting from each actor more so the accuracy of the skin tone.
Is the director Emnight?
Awesome cast.
A white guy???
He’s indigenous, he belongs to one of the Cree nations
Exactly what I said tf
Every time I see a post about the live action show, I need to remind myself of the many failed live action remakes of animated shows over the years. I don't understand all the hype when basically all we have is a lot of casting (the casting does seem good, dont get me wrong) and very little tangible info on what we're in for. I'm not saying we need to all go doomer mode here; but some tempered expectations are in order, I think. Good casting cannot make up for poor writing and direction, and we know very little about what we're in for with that, beyond knowing Mike and Bryan exited the project very early on (which is an ill omen to me).
Death Note live action from Japan is really good.
Lol many of those lDisney ive action adaptation are also based off books. The same books where those animated movies are based on like the Jungle Book.
Should’ve used me.
Is he pulling a “my great grandmother met someone of Inuit descent once and that why I should get the role” here.
"A Rocky Cree man belonging to PBCN (Peter Ballantyne Cree Nation) he grew up in Treaty 6 and Treaty 10 territories."
You people are all like “make him go tan!” like that wouldn’t be an issue if they casted someone dark in the first place like Hakoda should be. This and Sokka’s castings are just so bad
People keep stating he is native American... yea like what 16% native? Obama is probably more native than this guy
Y’all obsession with race is crazy.
He is not white... He is full-blood Cree and a member of the First Nation.
He’s Cree
ShaaaaHEEESHHHH
He's cree, but thanks for showing your racism
He is not white... He is full-blood Cree and a member of the First Nation.
hate it
A white man?…..
I already hate him
Is this a live-action movie or live action series?
8 episodes of an hour each or something covering book 1. It will also use new CGI things like they used in the Mandalorian and some high end CGI artists like one who worked on DUne will also be working on it. So that plus the pretty good casting makes it look pretty promising in my eyes
series
Series.
There is no live action movie, ever!
That's even better I heard it was going to be another movie
Oh god netflix better not screw it up.
Wow what a casting an Inuit for a role. Great! ;)
I hope he doesn't shave his mustache
Hmmmm Interesting
So, we are getting all the way up to the third season?
Why is he white
He’s not 🤦♀️
He is not white... He is full-blood Cree and a member of the First Nation.
Some creamer definitely got put in the coffee of his bloodline😂 but he looks pretty good for Hakoda, and I’m diggin the beard
Whilst the comment lacks class, yeah, a lot of non-white people got white in their families when the Americans arrived. Either by choice or not.
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He's literally a Cree Native American and grew up in Cree treaty territories. 🤦 Like cmon
Danny Divito should be Iroh.