Very interesting that Magic Guide performs so well - or at least, the other weapons do not perform so well compared to it. Makes me wonder if they're going to buff her signature weapon a bit during the beta.
So we got another Albedo situation then, where you can just start with 3* weapon to be safe. I wouldn't be surprised if they give us a 4* event weapon soon after that will work good on her, just like albedo.
Magic Guide being that good is... interesting. I assume this is with 100% passive uptime though? How much damage do we lose from not having the passive?
I’m surprised there’s no calcs for off-field Nilou support. I’ve been thinking about going EM/EM/Crit for it because it puts me well over 1k EM with Key and Collei c4 plus dendro resonance.
Frankly because it's like doing calcs for Raiden support. You can DO it, it's not even that bad, but you're ignoring a major part of her potential, and it doesn't really change the calculation anyway
Surprised me that R5 Widsith is almost on par with R5 solar pearl for Onfiled Quicken buffed comp. The BP weapon solely designed for NA catalyst users.
Can someone Razor language if I should use widsith or sac frags? I want to use her with cyno and it's difficult to find good guides that aren't overly complicated 🥺
She's best as driver for her own team, but with Cyno you want to use R5 Magic Guide, Guilded Dreams, and whatever artifacts it takes to get her to 1000 EM not counting her burst. Once you're there, start adding crit, and if you have hydro on team, run her with Deepwood instead
So let's say I'm running nahida as a dps with magic guide/lost prayers, 4pc gilded, team is dendro traveller with deepwood, kuki with 4pc tenacity, for my 4th member, I'm thinking between mona/yae, should I go with mona for hyperbloom or go for yae and stick with a full quicken reaction team
Thousand dreams is her bis. However the increase is so minor that it's not really worth going for. Also C0 Nahida with magic guide will be more than enough to clear abyss. If you really want to whale for Nahida, her C2 is a much stronger investment than her weapon.
Does the Magic Guide effect work for quicken teams? Wouldn't enemies be constantly affected by the quicken aura and cause electro to just vanish on an aggravate?
I got R3 wandering evenstar trying to get xiphos (did not get xiphos, lesson learned, don’t chase 4-star weapons), if I run nahida with atk% scaling characters (ie. not yelan) does it get better than R5 Magic Guide for overall team dps?
Thank you for this. I assumed correctly that EM/DD/CD is best for on-field (for now), artifacts are only slightly surprising - thought 2p/2p would be better than 4p dreams, the biggest surprise is magic guide being her best F2p choice.
Curious to how they calculated C1. Was it assuming a rainbow team? Or did they just take the average gains from all possible variations? Because an aggravate team would see more benefit than a burgeon team for example, as Nahida would gain the stage 1 Pyro buff she otherwise would not have gotten.
Wasn't it confirmed that it doesn't work that way? Only counts elements in team +1? The way its worded: "Elemental Types of the party members are being tabulated" at least implies so?
C1 doesn’t really do that much; it’s more like a step to c2 than a significant constellation. Go for her weapon unless you have a spare kaguras verity floating around.
If you wanna put deepwood on another character than don’t put it on a character that does significant dps (like xingqiu fischl yelan beidou yae etc.), put it on someone who’s support (like zhongli diona dori etc.), a lot of the time you won’t have someone else to use deepwood on and that’s fine too. Besides, compared to someone like xingqiu nahida will use deepwood better because she can use the 2pc effect.
holy crap this is exactly what I needed. Much appreciated for all the work mates. This is comprehensive, straightforward to understand after taking a second to actually read the notes, and makes it clear what I will want for her. Big love to all of ya.
Hey! I'm going for c2 r1, if I don't bother switching artifacts every time i switch her team what is the most generally good artifact main stats? Em/em/crit, em/em/em or em/dendro/crit? And gilded Dreams still right with another character holding the other set?
You can try Yae Miko, Kusanali, Fischl, and a healer like kokomi/Barbara for a hyperbloom team, or you can run Kuki instead of Fischl, or go triple Electro.
Let's just pretend for a moment that I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed - What weapon would be better for Nahida in Nilou team? Wandering Evenstar or Sacrificial Fragments? Fragments passive is practically useless on her, but it have bigger EM than Star.
What is her best team comp? I have seen quicken/aggravate teams are gonna work fine, I also saw melt ganyu,… but it is not clear to me which one is the best option.
Depends on the team. It feels paradoxical, but CV increases in value as you get more, unlike every other stat which decreases (to a point)- you want to run EM/Damage/Crit, or possibly EM/EM/Crit, unless your substats are incredible -just put her on Gilded to make up the EM and put Deepwood Memories on your hyperbloom trigger or low damage support.
Link to the finalized version of the sheet:
So...
Thanks for summing it up.
I love you fellow redditor <3
If you are running deepwood instead of gilded, shouldn't you worry more about EM stats, though?
Sorry for asking an old thread, wanted to clarify if you don't mind
Very interesting that Magic Guide performs so well - or at least, the other weapons do not perform so well compared to it. Makes me wonder if they're going to buff her signature weapon a bit during the beta.
So we got another Albedo situation then, where you can just start with 3* weapon to be safe. I wouldn't be surprised if they give us a 4* event weapon soon after that will work good on her, just like albedo.
Ahh… I love excel… my boss think I’m working so hard on numbers :)
Can you add a TL;DR version please? Too many numbers I'm scared
TL;DR
Given the sheer volume of tabs the tldr is “it depends.”
Magic Guide being that good is... interesting. I assume this is with 100% passive uptime though? How much damage do we lose from not having the passive?
Why so obsessed with magic guide. If you only have magic guide you are probably very new player else you have good 4 star options
Uuugh I'm so curious but the document just loading 😭 I'll try again tomorrow. But thanks in advance !
I’m surprised there’s no calcs for off-field Nilou support. I’ve been thinking about going EM/EM/Crit for it because it puts me well over 1k EM with Key and Collei c4 plus dendro resonance.
Frankly because it's like doing calcs for Raiden support. You can DO it, it's not even that bad, but you're ignoring a major part of her potential, and it doesn't really change the calculation anyway
will this be updated? im curious to see how the latest changes effect the calcs if at all.
Surprised me that R5 Widsith is almost on par with R5 solar pearl for Onfiled Quicken buffed comp. The BP weapon solely designed for NA catalyst users.
Hey guys! how's Evenstar lookiing on Nahida? I just got it today and I'm hoping it's good enough for Nahida.
at R1 Evenstar is about the same as mappa R1, slightly worse than Widsith R1. R5 Magic guide is still better
Thank you for this, I’ve now decided to build 4pc DM With EM/D/EM using Magic Guide
I'm seeing the term A4 being used. May be a dumb question, but what does A4 stand for and similar terms like that mean?
Ascension 4 passive talent
Hi, how good Skyward Atlas or Memory of Dust on her?
why is no one testing fruit of fulfillment
There's a note on R5 magic guide about why. Basically, unless she really wants the ER, R5 magic guide is just gonna be a better fruit
It was tough reading tbh.. solar pearls seems like a really good option for her. Even better then widsit. And 3x EM seem best in most situations.
Solar pearl is good but…
I've seen mention that the 3* Magic Guide is a useable option on Nahida, but what about the Emerald Orb?
The EM is much lower compared to magic guide, and the passive seems irrelevant to dendro reactions. So it's not a good option.
Thank you for sharing! Great work.
Can a tenacity of the milelity work on her? i use on my kuki EM/EM/EM but she's collecting dust right now
For quicken teams maybe but imo you're sacrificing too much personal dmg compared to other options.
Can someone Razor language if I should use widsith or sac frags? I want to use her with cyno and it's difficult to find good guides that aren't overly complicated 🥺
She's best as driver for her own team, but with Cyno you want to use R5 Magic Guide, Guilded Dreams, and whatever artifacts it takes to get her to 1000 EM not counting her burst. Once you're there, start adding crit, and if you have hydro on team, run her with Deepwood instead
For quicken teams Nahida with Lost prayer R1 4pc GD EM/DENDRO/EM what do you think
So let's say I'm running nahida as a dps with magic guide/lost prayers, 4pc gilded, team is dendro traveller with deepwood, kuki with 4pc tenacity, for my 4th member, I'm thinking between mona/yae, should I go with mona for hyperbloom or go for yae and stick with a full quicken reaction team
I'd say either Yae or anemo, to get even more aggravates. You already have heals and Atk buffs, Mona could lower the quicken aura !
So, with the recent buffs to her off-field presence - is on-field still her best position?
I'm lost, is there a build where Thousand Dreams or Kagura's Verity are BiS for Nahida? I need to pull for a 5* bow :/
Thousand dreams is her bis. However the increase is so minor that it's not really worth going for. Also C0 Nahida with magic guide will be more than enough to clear abyss. If you really want to whale for Nahida, her C2 is a much stronger investment than her weapon.
You don't need to pull for a 5star bow when 4stars are good enough and there is no endgame
Where would Lost Prayer fall under for weapon?
Following. I can see how this would be a viable choice for on-field Nahida since it causes her elemental damage to increase over time.
maybe for a dps build? idk
Does the Magic Guide effect work for quicken teams? Wouldn't enemies be constantly affected by the quicken aura and cause electro to just vanish on an aggravate?
I got R3 wandering evenstar trying to get xiphos (did not get xiphos, lesson learned, don’t chase 4-star weapons), if I run nahida with atk% scaling characters (ie. not yelan) does it get better than R5 Magic Guide for overall team dps?
Thank you for the hard work! I was hoping to see some numbers related to her c6 but I understand it's still too early, great job nonetheless.
Creators say they're not doing C6 until they know the ICD data for it.
This is alot of effort when 97% of the time im more or less killing hillichurls.
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*AHEM* A lot of copy-pasting for this one:
There is no data for Mappa R5 in Quicken Off field unbuffed and with 200 EM.
Mappa does not work with off field reactions.
Thank you for this. I assumed correctly that EM/DD/CD is best for on-field (for now), artifacts are only slightly surprising - thought 2p/2p would be better than 4p dreams, the biggest surprise is magic guide being her best F2p choice.
Curious to how they calculated C1. Was it assuming a rainbow team? Or did they just take the average gains from all possible variations? Because an aggravate team would see more benefit than a burgeon team for example, as Nahida would gain the stage 1 Pyro buff she otherwise would not have gotten.
I am curious about this too. 4% seems low for a 20% bonus dmg% increase.
Wasn't it confirmed that it doesn't work that way? Only counts elements in team +1? The way its worded: "Elemental Types of the party members are being tabulated" at least implies so?
Let's see What the Wisdom Of Genshin Mathematics Unfold.
Is c1 a good con when allowing for more team building options? Is bis still a better pull?
C1 doesn’t really do that much; it’s more like a step to c2 than a significant constellation. Go for her weapon unless you have a spare kaguras verity floating around.
Thank you for the spreadsheet!
If you wanna put deepwood on another character than don’t put it on a character that does significant dps (like xingqiu fischl yelan beidou yae etc.), put it on someone who’s support (like zhongli diona dori etc.), a lot of the time you won’t have someone else to use deepwood on and that’s fine too. Besides, compared to someone like xingqiu nahida will use deepwood better because she can use the 2pc effect.
holy crap this is exactly what I needed. Much appreciated for all the work mates. This is comprehensive, straightforward to understand after taking a second to actually read the notes, and makes it clear what I will want for her. Big love to all of ya.
Hey! I'm going for c2 r1, if I don't bother switching artifacts every time i switch her team what is the most generally good artifact main stats? Em/em/crit, em/em/em or em/dendro/crit? And gilded Dreams still right with another character holding the other set?
Soooo , do we know if C6 actually work with her A4 ? It's not the same name.
I was looking at
need some help. im gonna get her to C2. I want her to proc Nilou's blooms.
EM/EM/EM and the safest weapon pick would be R5 magic guide
Does she work with Tighnari?
i dont think she will work that well with tighnari, i mean what good interaction does she have with tigh except dendro reso?
Hi,
You can try Yae Miko, Kusanali, Fischl, and a healer like kokomi/Barbara for a hyperbloom team, or you can run Kuki instead of Fischl, or go triple Electro.
Let's just pretend for a moment that I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed - What weapon would be better for Nahida in Nilou team? Wandering Evenstar or Sacrificial Fragments? Fragments passive is practically useless on her, but it have bigger EM than Star.
Anybody heard anything about Sac Fragments?
So, what weapon you guys will rock?
Does this spreadsheet assumes Nahida E with Normal ICD or NO ICD?
What is her best team comp? I have seen quicken/aggravate teams are gonna work fine, I also saw melt ganyu,… but it is not clear to me which one is the best option.
wait if i will use kaguras on her, should i use em circlet? like em/dendro dmg/em?
Depends on the team. It feels paradoxical, but CV increases in value as you get more, unlike every other stat which decreases (to a point)- you want to run EM/Damage/Crit, or possibly EM/EM/Crit, unless your substats are incredible -just put her on Gilded to make up the EM and put Deepwood Memories on your hyperbloom trigger or low damage support.