My employer told us "No more work from home EXCEPT in national emergencies", how would you feel if your employer permanently discontinued work from home?

  1. Your employer is an ass. Not because they are asking you to come into the office full time but because they are publicly naming a colleague as needing special treatment. Could have equally easily just said work from office unless exceptions approved under the terms of XYZ act.

  2. yeah i'm pretty sure this is illegal or at least highly unethical to disclose someone's accommodations like this. if i were them i'd be going to my union/ACAS about it.

  3. Same. I work in IT, and at the moment a lot of jobs are being advertised as remote or partially remote. It's really clear that a lot of workers in the sector value being able to work from home, and at currently employers are willing to give them some flexibility.

  4. This. Fuck that shit. After going fully flexible in terms of where I work I wouldn't be back to not having any flexibility.

  5. Aye, my husbands company moved to hybrid working before covid was a thing, all covid did was move along the tech (as if often the case in times of crisis) to make it easier.

  6. My personal feeling is that companies/employers with this rigid attitude are fast going to get left behind. WFH is quickly becoming, if not already, the norm and almost certainly the next generation of workforce are not going to view it not as a perk but as a necessity. Employers that don't change their stand point will find it very hard to recruit and keep hold of upcoming young talent.

  7. OP’s employer seems to be using “we’ve committed to paying for the premises, so we are going to get our money’s worth,” as justification. Which is frankly hideous, and again betrays how poorly-run the company is 🚩

  8. I watched my last company die when they did exactly this last year. 70% of the team left within 6 months, myself included. We’re London based and most of our people commuted in from outside London, going back to that life after experiencing 2 years of home working is just impossible.

  9. It's the classic management trap of thinking your employees are doing nothing at home, when you actually get more done at home not being bothered with people bugging you every 5 mins.

  10. managers just want to protect their own jobs otherwise the big bosses will realise workers do better without being micromanaged and maybe middle management isn't quite as necessary.

  11. Ultimately it really shouldn't matter how "hard" your employees are working anyway if they're still doing their jobs and getting everything finished that needs to be finished. Know it's a bit of a cliche but plenty of careers where people talk about having to pretend to look busy in the office because they genuinely didn't have much to do.

  12. I'd immediately hand in my notice and start looking for another job. I'm much more productive at home and it's better for my mental health. Everyone who worked from home during the pandemic has proven that they can do so effectively, so I feel a push for the office is simply an attempt to micromanage the work force, or from some business people to stop prices in the city centres going down from less footfall.

  13. I’d be looking for another job, and also asking HR if they approved the email naming the colleague requiring alternative arrangements.

  14. So they made a mistake renewing their inflated office lease, and now are trying to cover that up. Your management are dickheads.

  15. Far cheaper than a company doing redundancies. Companies tend to lose their best employees with unreasonable permanent changes like this but maybe they factored it in with this change.

  16. I would just change my job or at least threaten to do so. Why dont you and a handful of colleagues get some offers from elsewhere and threaten to resign, if the company is fairly small they may have no choice but to re-instate work from home.

  17. To be fair as a rule jobs where you get to WFH typically tend to be a bit more middle-class as a thing because it's typically more professional than manual work. Imagine plenty of the people commenting are in a position where they could get picked up by a rival company in their profession without intense difficulty. That's definitely been an issue for firms unwilling to be flexible with staff.

  18. I quit my last job over this exact issue. So I would quit and find another job. A friend of mine works in recruitment and told me this is basically the recruitment strategy for lots of businesses. Wait for others to end WFH and hire the employees that quit because of it. Since most jobs can be 100% remote, they don't even need to be live close by.

  19. Every eligible employee should submit a flexible working request requesting a hybrid working arrangement. They will not be able to meet the deadlines and it will crash and burn under pressure. Their “we have just renewed our lease” argument will not stand when they try to break the law in banning flexible working requests.

  20. I find it amusing that they say they’re letting Name Removed work from home because if they didn’t they’d be in breach of the Equality Act. Not, you know, for Name Removed’s wellbeing or anything.

  21. Time to quiet quit. Turn up, do the bare minimum and nothing more. Keep the wage coming in until they lay you off. When your exit interview comes up just say ‘I was more productive working from home, what you have done is constructive dismissal’, then sue them for constructive dismissal.

  22. Your employer has handled this in about the worst way possible. If this is the first fucky thing they do, it won't be the last.

  23. Depends, if when I was joining the company and one was the main selling points was work from home whenever desired and then it was suddenly changed, I'd feel aggrieved and start looking for another job

  24. Very true! Though regardless of my personal feelings towards wfh, I wouldn’t be happy with the way they were steam rollering the new policy through, nor with the way it’s been communicated. Outing a named individual as requiring accommodations is particularly bad, and they sound so salty that they are expected to do a small thing “to comply with DWP legislation”, if it wasn’t in law doubtless they wouldn’t give a toss.

  25. My office is 45 miles away, I’d resign and look for a new job while still working from home, or tell them I need a £15k pay rise to cover petrol

  26. This is happening all over the country and those employers enforcing it are seeing their employees find jobs at companies that now have remote working. Better to be the remote working company rather than the office working one in my opinion, especially in this climate. Exceptions to those who cannot perform working from home though, like a car mechanic. That could be tricky.

  27. This is wildly dangerous territory in any company now. I work freelance and the last 5 organisations I worked for are now fully remote.

  28. Ok, but you will have cope with me not working when my son is ill or other childcare issues. Bad weather, I can’t travel in, doesn’t matter if that is a busy day for you because our customers need more help in bad weather. Oh, and the days the office is shut because because of a burst pipe, shame, it’s not a national emergency is it?

  29. my employer couldn't drag me back into the office. I started there 8 months before COVID hit so have worked the majority of my time at home for this company. They have always stated they are very happy with my performance, so yeah, absolutely no chance mate

  30. Lockdown proved that the majority of companies could function with most, if not all, of it's staff working from home, and didn't collapse overnight. The push for a return to the office is a last ditch attempt by the old guard at reclaiming control.

  31. I'd hand in my notice and fine another job. As would 70% or more of my colleagues. But I work in tech so am in a very specific position.

  32. Honestly? I'd probably leave. I don't want to WFH 100% of the time but being told I can't at all? Nah, new job.

  33. Insta-quit in my case. I don't mind popping in for the odd meeting, but actually working from the office is not happening. I really hope that I completed my final commute ever in March 2020. Didn't even know it at the time - three weeks to flatten the curve!

  34. I employ 7 people, I prefer them having work at home days. They can get on each other’s and my tits sometimes so it has actually improved the team vibe slightly. I am really unsure if they are more productive, but if it gives them a better work life balance then I’m happy with that.

  35. I’d get a new job. If your work can be done from home, then why should you have to deal with the time and cost penalties of commuting, as well as the discomfort of office work? Its not your problem they signed an office lease; they would have to pay for that regardless now.

  36. My employer did this to me so I quit and found another job. My new job has worked out so much better for me they are not stuck in the 1800s and actually treat me like a real person.

  37. As far as special treatment goes, that sounds like adjustments for a disability. Your colleagues should stamp that out right now, imagine being that person.

  38. As you wish. No more addressing things in the evening. No more triaging from home, you can wait for me to arrive.

  39. I would immediately begin looking for a new job, and would make sure my management knew exactly why I was doing so. I would also stop letting them get away with the dozens of little things they do (or don't do) that right now are not worth making a fuss about (interesting work, decent pay, flexible working > minutiae) and report every last little thing to the relevant people. I would follow my employment contract to the letter and give them not one minute more of my time or thought than I was contracted to do.

  40. My employer is a big company selling insurance and energy. We’re now 95% WFH. If it wasn’t, there would be a new wave of quits. It’s been shown with internal figures that all metrics are up with wfh.

  41. Your roles are all ''online'' for a better lack of term. An office is rediclious, costing tonnes and emmiting too much carbon.

  42. I'd quit. Actually I wouldn't, I'd continue for a while, get my GP to sign fit notes saying I'm fit to work from home but can't walk more than a few yards, and be a pain in their backside if they pushed it, up to taking them to a tribunal if necessary.

  43. They can’t give a reason why they want people back in the office, because there is no real reason, other than middle management’s desire to micromanage staff, which essentially they see as their task. It’s just about employee control.

  44. I don't think you should feel or direct any anger towards the specific employee who is exempt, you do not know their situation and it's completely unfair. Why the company even named them could be open to potential litigation from a data protection perspective alone.

  45. There are some good reasons for working in the office. Mentoring new staff for example is much easier for both parties when you are with them and more accessible and it's easier to explain stuff in person.

  46. Wouldn’t be very happy. Only go in when I have to as my office is 50mi away and takes like an hour and a half to drive there, definitely wouldn’t be doing that 5 days a week

  47. Tell them that they're falling for the sunk cost fallacy. The lease will need to be paid regardless of whether you're in the office or not, and there is no monetary gain from herding you back in.

  48. Imagine the money, they will save in energy bills, council tax ( its unused) buisness rates. Just pay the lease and write it back as a loss.

  49. Man, my office didn't even let me work from home during covid. I had to come into the 'specially modified office' where they'd just pushed the tables a bit further apart.

  50. Despite the economic downturn it's still an applicant's market (stagflation is weird). I'd be applying to new jobs.

  51. Fucking huge dick move. I'd leave just on principle tbh. I'm in the office 5 days a week at the moment so it's not about about whether it's office working or not, it's just that this is showing a clear disrespect to their employees and I can only assume this would be the first in a long line of shitty changes they'll be making.

  52. Tell them you're happy to come into work as long as they start paying your travel fees/petrol costs from now on since you've gone over 2 years of not needing to pay towards them, and they were fine with it then.

  53. Frankly, directly naming an employee within an email like that demonstrates a total lack of managerial competence. That information is only relevant to their direct line manager and the colleagues they'll interact with frequently, broadcasting it is almost certain to create hostile interactions for the employee.

  54. I would look for a new employer if there's no need for me to be going in, try and get a decent pay rise at the same time

  55. One of the HUGE benefits from my employer is working from home, with an office a 15 minute drive away if I want to use it. Completely optional.

  56. How would I feel about them stopping it? Or about naming a colleague that clearly does not need everyone to know their deal with he equalities act / DWP/ have the employer try to rile up hate and resentment towards them?!! That employee could sue the bastards

  57. I'd feel unemployed. Worked for myself for two years now, worked from home for around a year before that. Travel time, costs of owning a car, weather, even keyfobs are factors I no longer have to think about.

  58. My company advertises new vacancies as flexible working but really we’re afforded any flexibility at all. I’m currently on holiday in Iceland and will be back able to work on this Friday but would like a wfh day to receive some parcels, let my boss know a week in advance and it was a perfectly reasonable request. Get a single word text back “Really?” So I ignored it for a day and then he sent me another text saying just use one of your holiday days instead. So yeah I’m off that day now but where’s the flexibility?

  59. Personally, I think I'd actually be happy but I'm hugely in the minority. I've found it really hard not having in-person interactions to the point that I'm not even sure how I continue in my current career path given that most organisations are largely work from home. I wouldn't want any company to do so as it really benefits most people to work from home but again, for me, I've struggled and would be so much happier if we could all work together in person.

  60. I’d be looking for a new role. I like the balance I have now of effectively 50:50 (which can also be flexed either way as needed) - I enjoy going into London for a few days per week, but also place an incredible value on WFH for 2-3 days per week, not only due cost saving but more for the additional time I can spend with my children including supporting on the nursery runs/doing their food etc which otherwise I would miss if I was in the office every day.

  61. I wouldn't work in an office full time again, did my time and prefer to spend the time with my family now.

  62. That email is a a breach of GDPR (data protection). Even aside from that, singling out one employee, publicly sharing that they have a disability, and that they are the one exception to a new and unpopular rule (thus making them a target) is an asshole move by the company. I would be looking for a new job.

  63. I'll rage quit. Yes, on the next day instead to go to the office. I'll pay all fines (in our country the fine is one salary) and I'll start to looking for new job.

  64. I'd have to quit or theyd have to give me a pay rise. I WFH 2 days a week so me & husband can sort out the school run between us. If they had to go to before and after school club every day it would be around £100 a week,plus all the school holiday groups.If my husband had to commute to London he'd be paying over £6,000 a year.

  65. Work in tech myself so it would just be funny seeing our attrition rate going from 11% to 60% the second we got told to come into the office lmao

  66. I don't believe there is anything in law saying that an employer can't make someone come into the office but there is something about making reasonable adjustments to those who need it.

  67. Can you buy a large battery. Those massive portable batterys? And charge it at work? Then come home and use the free power?

  68. I don’t get why you and a lot of people are complaining. If you were working in an office setting pre pandemic and were allowed to work at home during said national emergency and now they’re requiring you to return back to the office, why all the complaining? An employer is NOT legally required to satisfy your request to work from home. Unless it stated on the contract (if one was signed). If you don’t like it, literally find another job that will let you work from home. Everyone feels soo entitled 😂

  69. It sounds harsh but I think there was an expectation that that’s just the way things would be and that was that. Unless your employer had officially changed their policy to allow hybrid working, I wouldn’t bank on it being a permanent working situation.

  70. I think unless my employer actually put in a work from home policy, I wouldn’t have expected it as a permanent situation. Luckily mine did but I think a lot of people just assumed that’s the way it would always be. Prior to COVID and stuff I was in maternity leave and had already agreed with my employer that I would return to work as a hybrid worker and spend half the week at home.

  71. Business energy prices are going to rise higher than home pricing, as soon as the bills start coming in you’ll be back at home, I would suggest everyone gets personal heaters for office for the coming cold spell in. :)

  72. My employers are selling the building they've been in for God knows how long, most of it has been mothballed, most of the staff are working from home & I hope to soon. They've gone too far to start bringing people back in.

  73. Have they explained at any point the productivity being below target ? I have seen some stuff recently with businesses saying productivity for home working is resulting in like a crazy number of dropped productivity, in this case I’d expect meetings to have been held over it and conversations to have been had that people and teams aren’t hitting required standard

  74. Mine won't, not for our department at least. We've recruited people from all across the country who would have no way at all to come into the office, and there'd be no point. We're able to produce more work from home than we could ever do in the office, especially at busy periods, because it's so much easier to fit in a couple of hours' overtime on a day off if you don't have to commute, so there are usually enough volunteers.

  75. The naming of the employee is absolutely illegal and should be reported to ACAS. That employee will have something called reasonable adjustments, which is part of disability law in the UK where employers must make changes to the workplace to enable disabled employees to do their jobs. I imagine it’s been a very stressful time for that employee to fight for what they’re entitled to by law, and the naming won’t help. Poor person.

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