Why does the UK hate strikers?

  1. Hang on, do you mean Steve, 53, from Bristol that the Daily Mail quoted as"fuming" in their boxout might not even exist? Shocking

  2. Yup. I don't think I've ever seen it accurately reported in mainstream news exactly what workers are striking over. The most detail you get is "striking over pay and conditions" which is about as vague as you can get. If they actually went into detail as to exactly what terms needed to be met in order for the strike to be called off, I think the general public would be far more understanding and direct their frustrations at the employer rather than the employees if they were properly informed.

  3. 100% Like with the box pops, they can interview 100 people, 90 of which think A, if the media are pushing narrative B they play 5 or 6 people agreeing opinion B and 1 agreeing with A showing "the people" mostly think B. Easy. The news, much like "opinion polls" are often there to influence not to report.

  4. Exactly. Outrage and views go hand in hand. I'd bet the majority support these strikes. More people are affected by this crises than are unaffected.

  5. Oh believe me, the sentiment exists and is more common than you'd like to think. Most people outside big cities/towns and over the age of about 50 are pretty staunchly right-wing, and that includes being anti-strike. You won't hear it on reddit, but if you actually go outside and talk to people outside your own bubble you'll definitely hear a lot of anti-striker sentiment.

  6. Reddit is full of people who react to every strike or protest by saying "waste of time, they should be hurting the bosses not me".

  7. Word! Glad this is the top comment because there are millions still blindly following. Strikes create an environment where ALL workers can gain. The more that strike effectively the further action must be taken by the government.

  8. I see a lot of people on social media such as Facebook local town groups berating the strikers for the inconvenience and “what about pensioners they get more than them blah blah”, it’s frustrating really as if because someone is striking they mustn’t care about pensioners

  9. Lol I saw a post from ITV News, seeking people whose post was delayed, who would like to go on TV to slag off the strikers. I said yeah I was waiting for something, but no way was I going to back the bosses over hard working posties who have trouble making ends meet. Got near 1000 likes. Almost everyone on that thread supported the strikers.

  10. The news always seems to have the views of the company and the views of people affected by the strikes, but never any views from the union. Many times I'll read an article and I won't even find out what the strike is about.

  11. The only people I have met who are upset about the strikes are multi-millionaires. Everyone else gets it

  12. I find it quite funny when people get really wound up about it - there was a guy on the radio fuming about the bins in Edinburgh… “they could have done this strike weeks ago but they have deliberately chosen the week of the fringe festival, massively inconsiderate. They have waited until this week on purpose”….Like this guy didn’t get the objective of a strike. If it had little impact it wouldn’t be worthwhile, of course they choose the best time that hits hardest to have the biggest impact and news coverage…

  13. Also, let's be real, the week that's probably the most pain to deal with and they feel the most underpaid. I imagine that they either don't get overtime increase to pay or are forced to work harder to get everything done in the standard time.

  14. It can also easily take a couple of months to ballot and plan a strike due to the rules and laws applied to strike action since the 80’s. It’s not something that can or is done on a whim. I’m currently involved in strike action and the checks we had to do and then have examined and checked again regarding members, addresses, branches etc took weeks. Even then 2 companies ballots were deemed invalid and had to be re ballotted, taking even more weeks, due to a written error regarding the depot/branch name. Then you have to give at least 2 weeks notice of strike dates. Striking is not an easy thing to do and to be honest it’s always our last resort. This is my first strike in 22 years.

  15. It's the same old dullards who whine about any sort of protest that impacts on their own life for even a second. They're all very supportive in principle, but they'd much rather it happens in a way that they can easily ignore. Spoiler alert, they've already done that and nobody listened, so now you get direct action.

  16. Had this argument with my aunt last week, she was doing the whole 'but why NOW? Why can't they wait until the country isn't struggling so much?' like, holy shit my dude, that is exactly why they're doing it now, if they wait they have less leverage, it's the entire point and mechanism of a strike. If you strike when it's convenient it's not a fucking strike, it's just a bunch of tossers wandering around with placards.

  17. I once got into an argument with my boss while working at a restaurant. He was a giant cunt. Stealing tips etc. I finally had enough and I've decided to walk out on the spot. But after a quick thought, I've decided to wait couple of hours and do later, and I've left the building without telling him anything in the middle of the crazy busy lunch rush hours to fuck him up and leave him with all the mess do deal with solo. It's all about impact.

  18. I don't hate strikers but I question some of their demands. For example rail workers opposing modernization of systems which could potentially be of benefit to the consumer. It doesn't make any sense.

  19. I don’t think it’s true that they’re opposing modernisation. That’s just how the media is portraying it. It has more to do with general terms and conditions being diminished. Like overtime rates being cut. There’s a lot of detail that I’m sure you’d agree with them complaining and striking about.

  20. As one of said railways workers, no one I work with opposes modernization. It's the way that they're framing it as a cost cutting measure. Intelligent infrastructure helps me with my job on a daily basis. Finding faults is so much easier when we have access to a prolonged period of electronically logged data that can actually show me when and why something has failed, meaning I can fix it for passengers quicker. Modernisation is brilliant, but would be useless without experienced staff who understand what they're doing.

  21. They aren't opposing modernisation, they're opposing costcutting measures which put both workers and passengers lives at risk, and a real terms pay cut.

  22. OP is asking this in the wrong forum - everyone here loves strikers, of course. I had to scroll quite a long way down to find this, the first comment that didn't amount to, "it's just the media stoking people hating them."

  23. You know most of these train strikes weren't the drivers, it was guards and other railway workers? Don't buy into the narrative that it's only the privileged drivers striking, a lot of it is concerning people who are far lower paid who's careers are on the line.

  24. Yeah that AMA by the train driver on this subreddit was really counterproductive. I came away going "holy hell I should drive trains" not "poor guys, they have my backing".

  25. Yeah the AMA with a train driver really opened my eyes, works 35 hours a week at more than 60 grand and his boss was encouraging him to strike because he might get a payrise too even though he earns 100k a year, honestly supported the train drivers before that. And yes I understand the guards don't get paid that much but still fuck train drivers inconveniencing everyone so they can still afford their second holiday of the year while a decent percentage are worrying about their heating and next meal.

  26. This is a very “crabs in a bucket” mentality though. It’s what the media want you to think.

  27. You shouldn't be angry that workers have strong unions, be angry that either your sector doesn't or you haven't joined it. Unions are one of the things I'm still proud of in this country. Look at how rubbish the worker conditions are in union-hating/busting America.

  28. So because you can’t strike then others shouldn’t ? Because you’re not skilled then those that are shouldn’t be allowed to better their lives? Get your head out of your arse. You’re on a race to the bottom fast.

  29. I’ll be striking. I also have kids to feed. I also cannot afford this. I also earn about a third of a train driver.

  30. One of the reasons train drivers earn £60k a year is because they organise themselves and strike for better pay...

  31. Have you considered that maybe they earn that much because they're unionized and they do strikes? If you want a good salary, unionize too, instead of complaining about others who did it before.

  32. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but the usual argument is there is only a limited amount of funding available (from taxes), and it’s only the most vocal who traditionally get this, not those who are unable to strike/most at need due to less job security, which is unfair.

  33. I don't see how anyone can support the London Underground strikes. They aren't on strike over pay - after all they received a 8.4% pay increase at the start of the year.

  34. There is a common benefit to the strike's though! If , for example, fast find workers get a pay rise that's means they can actually pay their bills based on a 40 hour weekend, then the health service would Have To pay wages above that, that reflect the horrendous working conditions,or face a mass exodus of staff .

  35. Why can't employers pay for those taxis since they need their workers to be able to function? Why blame the strikers, rather than the bosses who refuse to pay fairly while making massive profits?

  36. Nail on the head it's the inconvenience. We understand the need for better pay. We don't looked the inconvenience. The Japanese bus drivers went on strike but still ran the busses they just refused to take any payments costing the company and not inconveniencing the public. perhaps more creative ways of striking could be the way forward.

  37. The Japanese example wouldn’t work here for reasons others have given (being fired for misconduct, etc) but also because it doesn’t take into account season ticket holders and online bookers who already paid before they boarded. In my city (Nottingham) you can only pay for the tram before you board, the drivers aren’t taking payment regardless of strike action and there usually aren’t any conductors

  38. I'm all for low paid workers being able to strike to raise their standards but when a train driver on 60k a year is striking, yes that fucking pisses me off because now our low paid workers are struggling to get to work and those are the people who are much more likely to lose their job etc due to not being able to get there.

  39. Anyone at any wage should be entitled to strike if they don't believe their pay isn't reasonable for the job they do, just because a train driver earns £60k doesn't mean they don't deserve a payrise alongside the other staff. Train drivers are the perfect people to help get change in the industry, the railways can get "scabs" into fulfil most other roles if they wanted, they can't find thousands of qualified train drivers to keep the trains moving. Train drivers give added weight to the lower paid staff in the industry who are being underpaid and shat on by corporate.

  40. I’d agree with this, rail workers have the leverage to demand pay rises disproportionately more significant than other sectors and pay and pay progression in rail jobs is already ahead and rivals finance jobs.

  41. Why? Do you think train drivers should just suck it up when 10% inflation is eating into their standard of living? Will you only be happy for them to strike once they need to go to food banks and their families are being turfed out on the streets for non payment of mortgage/rent?

  42. We hate to be inconvenienced by others. But, from my POV support is growing for the growing levels of Industrial action. Whilst we hate to be inconvenienced, most of us 'normal' people are rapidly heading towards being dirt-poor and we'll hate that more!

  43. The average person you ask fully supports the strike's, people finally can see that corporate profits are spiraling out of control, and the notion that we should be paid poverty wages to keep shareholders happy isn't as easy to buy into if your choosing between food and electric

  44. Personally I love anyone striking, but when I've had this argument with people it seems to mostly focus on 'but they already get X Y and Z! They get paid more than I do!' with the undertone of 'how dare they strike if they might be better off than me' or some other hypothetical profession. It doesn't help that all coverage of strikes tends to be from media that wants to portray them as grasping and ungrateful as possible.

  45. No I completely get the news being biased, it might just be a local thing but in our local town groups there’s a lot of hate circulating there and there is during any strike

  46. I don’t support the striking train workers on 65k per year demanding a 10-12% pay rise who are able to hold the country to ransom. There was a guy on Reddit recently in this situation.

  47. Everyone is in the same boat and if the public sector strikes then the taxpayer foots the bill. And before anyone starts I’m a public sector worker, I just don’t agree with striking and affecting services.

  48. Individuals have virtually no power on their own, how do you think we have rules and regulations now without strikes. You're basically arguing for feudalism

  49. I'm a little bit on the fence on one hand power to you if you can strike for better pay then why wouldn't you, with the way the economy is at the moment. On the other hand I work in London and solely rely on trains for work, if I can't get in I don't get paid. I understand it's the impact they are trying to create but when you are forcing a huge majority of people to lose out on money that could possibly be for families who are struggling a lot and can't afford to lose out on 1 or 2 days of work it does seem a little selfish. ( I earn less than 25k a year so this isn't coming from some big wig high earner)

  50. Same. I'm all for people getting better pay but it feels like I'm being dragged into the issue against my will. The strikes have a significant impact on me - my current job relies on the post going out or there will be uproar in a month, and money lost.

  51. I’m not allowed to strike fully in my job role. I 100% support the strikes. I’m glad people aren’t just taking the pathetic pay rises or lack or pay rises lying down anymore.

  52. Fun fact that in Japan when railway workers strike they still work, but turn all the machines off so people ride for free and the company gets fucked that way

  53. This method of protesting is illegal in the UK and will ensure the unions are fined exorbitant amounts and disbanded which is why you don’t see it readily used here

  54. If I am remembering correctly, and I may not be so take this with a grain if salt, there's a law that prohibits workers from driving buses/trains etc on strike and not taking money from people.

  55. The reality is the people who are hurt by the strikes are the not the billionaires but the working class people. Who's likely needing to travel by public transport to their job? Who is reliant on public services?

  56. That’s secondary action and it’s against the law in this country. Striking is the only way the unions have and that’s been gradually made more difficult during these past few years.

  57. There’s a lot of that. In some ways it’s understandable. Kids are told to work hard at GCSE, then Alevel, then degree (now at a specific university) and that will lead to a “good” job which pays well.

  58. Or that it affects peoples lives. Postal strike - that important letter won’t get to the customer who needs it. Train strike - people can’t make essential journeys. Refuse collectors - we’ve seen how quickly that made places disgusting!

  59. As others have said the majority of uk people support strikes for reasonable conditions. Sometimes it does go the tiger way when some groups that are already very well paid by uk standards strike for more. For example tube drivers in London have a base pay of about £55k and most average over 70k, which to a large part of the UK sounds like an excellent salary, so when they strike they tend to get less sympathy.

  60. Propaganda mate plain and simple with a healthy dose of our government’s cleverly implemented plan to get the poors to blame the poorer for wanting more than a shit existence.

  61. If you aren't affected by the people striking then it's easy to support it but if you are affected then it can be a real pain. However, a lot of people have sympathy for those who are struggling with the cost of living and can understand why people are taking action.

  62. I wouldn't say I hate it but I do think it's not really serving its purpose. For non-essential services to strike as a one off to demonstrate their frustration and get public awareness for their cause makes sense, but there are two caveats - it should be for serious disputes and concerns over things like safety.

  63. Train drivers earn about 70k a year, hard to feel sorry for them. The other strikes I support though.

  64. There was a time when strikers held the country to ransom, particularly the coal industry which caused blackouts. The government at the time and the PM declared a war against strikers, calling them "militant" and people's lives were genuinely impacted by strikes. Laws were put in place to make striking harder and less effective, and people formed poor opinions of strikes and workers who go on strikes. I don't dispute this view point.

  65. Just trains and tube. They are messy, massively overstaffed organisations and drivers create barriers to entry to maintain their own demand.

  66. I would be fine with them striking, but they are striking literally every month and I rely on trains for work and uni, as do a lot of my friends, and so we end up having to work something else out even though I paid an extortionate amount for the train pass that I can only use half the time. I know why they're striking and I support their cause, but I am not the reason their pay is shit. They need to do something that inconveniences their bosses or whatever, not something that does nothing for their bosses and fucks literally everyone else over.

  67. I just think if I told my boss i wanted to strike I'd be told to fuck off. Why should these people be able to cause havoc to everyone else purely because they aren't happy with payment terms and wages they'd agreed to.

  68. Binmen and train drivers are already paid very well for what they do- far more than most of the people who are suffering because of the strikes.

  69. My mum is against them, very much you just have to make do. Tighten where you can. That's what we have always done ...

  70. Funny actually cause my grandparents were the same until my partner went on strike to better support myself and they’re great grandson, funny how opinions change when it affects them isn’t it lmao

  71. After speaking to various people, the general reason I've seen is either jealousy (they aren't supported by a union, so it's not fair) or that the end goal (which in a lot of cases is a pay rise) will worsen inflation and thus make our economy worse.

  72. Because people over 40 remember the the strikes of the 80s and those older than that also remember being known as the sick man of Europe in the 60s.

  73. I and others are having livelihoods disrupted due to the strikes, it's not "basic inconvenience." That said, I still semi- support them. At least, I want them to get what they demand ASAP so that things can go back to normal.

  74. Public transport strikes have caused me a lot of problems lately and even cost me money that I couldn't really afford, and I can't change their wages, so I imagine that's why some people are pissed off.

  75. Ir depends on the strike. Tube drivers get paid far too much, everyone is against them. The job should be automated anyway. Especially when they look at what they do and how much less they get paid.

  76. Unions and strikes are diseases that kill jobs. They only defend their bosses' interests at the end. Any strong union will scare jobs away.

  77. Love how you typed all that out just for everyone to basically say “lol we don’t” but in all honesty for the people that do hate strikers hate them because of difficulty getting to work etc, I can’t imagine you’d be very happy if you missed out on wages because other people were striking about wages, “I don’t get paid enough so I’m going to stop hundreds of others from getting paid at all”, generally everyone agrees everyone should get higher wages but there could be people who miss their rent because they couldn’t get to work because there was a strike and I don’t think it’s only people from the UK that would be a tad annoyed

  78. The media constantly bangs on about strikes that happened 45 years ago when a few dead people couldn't get buried for a few days. The generation that was affected by that is dying off and the inequality now is far worse.

  79. I think for some of it's seeing others get something they aren't getting (normally strikes lead to pay rise) and because they work for a small company it is harder to mobilise

  80. They arent standing up for us all. They are standing up for themselves. The resulting action taken by a strikers employer has very little chance of improving your pay in a different industry

  81. Agree. The lowest paid people at my work (me included) got a 5% pay rise this month. Lower than inflation but better than the usual 1-2% and I don’t think that would have happened without the pressure of those striking in other sectors.

  82. I don't hate strikers. Yes, it's inconvenient at times but ultimately they are not the ones who lead to this outcome. I wish everyone would be treated and paid fairly. However, I can't help but think the people who can actually change something about the current situation are not at all affected by any strikes and I don't think they necessarily care about the rest of us.

  83. It's a media driven idealogy, I think the average working person would support the majority of unions and the striking action. It's important to know the "enemy" and the working person is certainly not the enemy. Be kind and supportive to one another. We are all in the same boat, in the same sea, in the same storm.

  84. I don't hate the strikers. I hate the fat cats that are not paying them sufficiently despite their hardwork and despite the crazy inflation and worsening economy and instead just lining their pockets with more money in all this hardship. UK should stop it's love for the US style out of control capitalism!

  85. There’s a serious crab in the bucket mentality with some in the UK. Meaning they try to drag others down- e.g comments such as “well I’m not paid that much, so they should stop being greedy”. Whereas instead they should be joining unions themselves, speaking to their own bosses, or looking to change career if the strikers job is so easy.

  86. As a general rule I support strikes, in the current climate it's pretty much the only way a group of employees cab have their voices heard from those above that might be a little detached from the reality of decisions they make.

  87. I’m not upset at all, but I am acutely aware of my lack of knowledge in the relevant industry so its hard to take a view. This is the problem with our media, who should we be listening to? What are their motives?

  88. I think we just prefer a pragmatic approach to the game, centre backs usually get the plaudits whereas on the continent they have more of a flamboyant style of play.

  89. I will never earn the money they do and I have a good job and am not struggling, and on that basis alone they don't have my interest or sympathy

  90. I’m okay with strikes generally but Tube strikes I can’t stand - they are really well paid already with extremely generous holidays and pensions and their actions screw over a lot of people trying to go about their daily lives.

  91. Don't think that you can't strike because you work in care, I worked in care for 15 years and over that time I worked for pay that barely allowed me to survive. Trust me I get it. However, even though your work is essential and your bosses will tell you that you are abandoning your clients and leaving them vunerable going on strike isn't off the table. There were strikes a few years ago, I took part in them. The union ensured that there was a skeleton staff, clients were safe and there were emergency plans in place. You guys need to talk to your union, fight for what's right, you are being paid pittance for work that is demanding, unsociable, emotionally draining and physically exhausting. I know you're not happy, join the other sectors, stand up!

  92. Royal mail are losing £1m a day already, how are the staff expecting them to stump up more for wages? They’ll kill the business which will either end up with no business or it will be bought by an ‘investor’ who will strip it and leave a shell of what it used to be.

  93. "The people earning £100/hour convincing the people earning £12/hour that the people earning £7/hour are the problem."

  94. Power to the people in my eyes. They’re only striking because the companies that employ them are profits and shareholders gain massive increases while they struggle.

  95. I think as a Londoner the train strikes are the most noticeable but I feel like the way they are acting the strikes is irritating. Strike on a weekday during rush hour so it affects all the commuters (including me) fine by me, the companies will be hit had and annoyed commuters will affect change.

  96. Ver y few people I encounter don't support strikers. I'm pretty well off and I love honking driving past a picket.

  97. I dont hate them, but dont expect my sympathy when your striking fucks over my day or if you already make 2-4x as much money as I do but want more.

  98. Because the uk is full of self entitled wanks and any inconvenience to their daily routine isn’t acceptable

  99. I am a consultant at a place with drivers on light rail. They were offered a 7% pay increase backdated to last year. 4 unions represent the staff. The drivers are on £46k a year and make up 10% of the workers but 40% of the sickness absence across a the company. No unions agreed. They went up to 8% and 1 union agreed so it went to 9 and 2 unions agreed. It went to 10% and the third union agreed. The 4th is saying if they don’t get 15% then they will strike on the busiest day of the year. The company were already going to be paying contractors and overtime to the whole company that day plus giving an extra cash payment and a day in lieu but they still want 15% and they would get a lump sum backdated from last year. Nobody has heard anything for a week or 2. The drivers don’t need any qualifications, work the least hours, get the most breaks and are well paid as well as contributing the most sickness hours. I think it’s greedy.

  100. Anytime BBC newsbeat comes on when they mention strikes it's always a negative followed by some random person slightly affected. Here's Peter who's been affected by the train strikes: "I couldn't take the train to see the football, had to get the bus instead, it was a bit awkward to be honest" like FUCK OFF. God forbid people try to secure a decent living BBC maybe interview them why they're on strike instead.

  101. I get people who strike. I understand it, but... What annoys me is the people that enter these industries knowing the pay and how it's structured etc and they then decide it isn't good enough.

  102. The media. They portray it as binary, 'the nurses are striking, they don't really care'. The care workers have to turn up still, and for much less £££

  103. I think most people are supportive of the current strikes, and hate for strikers tends to be on a case-by-case basis. E.g. tube strikes are generally more likely to receive hate because tube drivers are already paid quite well and their strikes are highly disruptive because the tube is so vital to life in London.

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