What was great advice 20 years ago, but definitely isn’t now?

  1. In high school as part of one of my classes they brought in a lady who worked HR for some recruiting firm for a few days to teach us how to do resumes and cover letters and such and she told us even if a place has an option to apply online always go in person and pick up an application no one takes online applications seriously.

  2. I was actually told this by a seasoned, experienced older employee around 2011 or so while working a temporary position and seeking to apply for a permanent one (which by the way included the possibility of a pension). I carefully filled out a thick application stack by hand and delivered it personally to HR.

  3. For my current job, I tracked down the GMs email address and sent him my resume and a little introductory letter. He called me up a week later and hired me soon after. That’s the closest I’ve ever come to walking in and shaking hands in person. Usually I use indeed.

  4. The other side of this is many recruiting firms are really fucking bad and their recruiters give terrible advice. It might not've been bad advice in 2002, I'm too young to know, but that seems entirely on brand for a shady recruiter you could meet today.

  5. Ooooh boy I've once literally thrown two cvs in the paper bin because this couple (they were a couple) were at the front desk of the hotel I was working at

  6. People still tell teens and young adults to do this. My parents on occasion still tell me this but I work as a receptionist and deal with handing out the applications. Yes, we technically have them printed out but the staffing lead never looks at them. Just apply online, it is the best way to make sure your application will actually be seen.

  7. My dad gave me this advice when I graduated from college and had to move back in with him until I found a job (I graduated May 2020, so I got the short end of the stick.) What makes it extra funny is that I was applying for jobs out of state. He wanted me to make a road trip out of traveling to the offices where I was applying so I could hand them a resume.

  8. I stright up told them i had a holiday booked 6 months down the line and if that's cool. They were like. Sure tell me a month before hand. Worked pretty well

  9. I always make sure I tell my manager and HR during the interview process that I already had a weeklong vacation planned about a month after my start date. Since it was “pre-planned” there isn’t anything they can do about it. Most of the time I have to take it unpaid, but usually the mental health break after starting a new job is worth it to take a few unpaid days. It also lets me set up immediately that I will never be on call during vacation. I am an hourly employee and I like to set that precedent from the very beginning.

  10. You joke, but if I'm traveling it's comforting to have directions, tickets, hotel confirmation numbers, etc... all printed out and ready to go.

  11. The most important skill isn't knowing the right answer, it's knowing how to find out the right answer. And that's gotten much easier

  12. "you'll have to learn how to do this without a calculator because you won't always have one in your pocket". Except, the teachers conceded that while most students wouldn't, I probably would. Now I'm a programmer.

  13. That said, we're kind of seeing how bad outsourcing your memory and background knowledge base to the internet is, as a lot of popular conspiracy theories can be seen as inconsistent just by remembering your high-school curriculum and a lot of misinformation by just having a working memory (such as the rumors of Musk making Twitter a cesspit rely on not remembering what Twitter was like last week).

  14. People always wonder how some people get to be soo creepy but they forgot that theyve been brought up by a generation who thought the best way to get a woman was agressive flirting techniques, actual stalking and being overly possessive.

  15. If you don’t immediately get a diploma you will instantly become a homeless crack head with aids and you are also automatically in Al Qaeda. Scary stuff.

  16. Met my wife on the internet about 12 years ago, and everyone thought I was making her up until we could afford to fly her out here. Then it was 'she's probably scamming you.'

  17. I met my husband on the wbb discussion board for a web comic. We were just teenagers in the early aughts. We definitely lied about it for years.

  18. I remember when people were ashamed to admit that they met someone online. Now if you met anywhere else people act like you've churned your own butter.

  19. I've been married for 16 years to my eHarmony match. We got a lot of weird looks in the early days when people asked us how we met.

  20. Told my dad I’m using tinder at age 22 after moving to a new city, he was surprised. OLD has different connotations for non tech savvy generations

  21. My parents met through a computer dating service in the 60's. Fill out a questionnaire by mail, they convert it to punch cards and feed it into a computer, and then mail you back match results.

  22. I think this came from NiCad batteries, like the early ones for R/C. They were prone to developing a memory, meaning if you didn’t drain them completely before charging, they would not discharge past that point. Over time the capacity would shrink due to this.

  23. Get an ARM loan on your house! Values go up like 10-20% each year and by the time the load adjusts, flip that house for a sweet profit!

  24. I'm so glad I got a fixed rate mortgage. Yeah, a 5.5% interest rate kinda sucks compared to the sub 3% rate I could have got with an ARM at the time, but at least I know my payment will be the same forever. Well, at least until 2032 anyway.

  25. Getting an ARM loan 20 years ago would have been smart because interest rates did go down a lot after 2002.

  26. Buy that house!! Sure it seems weird that you qualified for such a high home loan but I'm sure they wouldn't offer it to you if you couldn't afford it.

  27. My family understands the high cost of housing so they don't throw that on me but my girlfriends family doesn't understand it. They all got to America in the 70s to early 90s when housing was still affordable for the average person. My girlfriend and I are planning on buying a house in the next 2 years or so in a cheaper state. South Florida is one of the highest costs of living right now in the country and we don't make enough to own a home here.

  28. Yup. I could get a 30% raise if I switched companies, but I enjoy my job and the people. It's so relaxed here compared to anywhere else...

  29. So, so true. I stayed at the same company for nearly 10 years. Left 3 months ago and now make 25% more with a solid signing bonus.

  30. To this day, my mom believes the way to apply for ANY job, is to walk in and hand your future boss your paper resume. Whether or not they're actively hiring.

  31. I still have plenty of friends my age who act like my job isn't anything because it is from home on a computer. Pays my bills, nothing else matters than that.

  32. Also lol. Online applications are always like “upload a CV and we’ll auto populate the application”. Auto populates incorrectly in every field, so you have to fill it in manually anyway… yeah, lazy stuff…

  33. Just for fun, take your mom with you in the car, ask for a paper application, and then walk back in the car and tell her the inevitable: “they want me to apply online”

  34. Do we have the same mom? She got furloughed during COVID and would call me at LEAST once a week wanting to go do something because she was so bored, and just could not comprehend that I was working full time from home. Even after she went back she will ask if I can run errands for her during the workday because “she’s at work” and apparently I’m…not? (Still WFH full time)

  35. I work in HR and I hate the awkward dance of taking the resume in person when we aren't actively hiring. Its a waste of everyone's time. Me being interrupted from my day, the person spending the time to come in.

  36. My mother-in-law was in town last weekend and we got to talking about work. I mentioned that I had done a round of interviews recently (as the employer).

  37. these days thats a very good way to NOT get hired. its disruptive and usually a hassle to deal with since its not in the system. i get that maybe if its a small business run by a few people, like a independent coffee shop or something this might work but for anything bigger than that it ain't gonna work and will probably harm your chances at that.

  38. My reply to people who "just hate computers" is that I and many others have earned a lot of money off their inability. Usually turns it from some renegade badge of honour into a "am I a rube?".

  39. To supplement that advice, my parents also believe that you should regularly call and show up in person to demand the current status of that application.

  40. Even going to career fairs in 2016 they didn't seem to care about my resume at all. Every one of them said I needed to apply online anyways. Why are they even there??

  41. I think Kanye just got thrown out of a competing shoe corporate headquarters last week trying this.

  42. People like this are so wild to me - like my husband is in his mid-fifties and works in tech. My Dad is 84 and he does online shopping and emails.

  43. It took me a long time to convince my mom I can't drop everything on a dime and do something else just because I work from home, and that I am still expected to work and get a reasonable amount done during reasonable hours.

  44. When I was a kid I don’t know how many times I heard my dad say I should go to school and get a job that I can do from anywhere I want. Now I have a job that 80% of the time I can do from home and all he does is make jokes that I don’t actually have a job.

  45. My grand pa doesn't believe I have a real job either. According to him, I'm making it all up and playing on my computer all day and should look for a real job, like electrician.

  46. I have no idea why this one stuck around so long. You would think from looking at the cataclysm that is much of the company towns in the rust belt this was obviously not true.

  47. Was talking to my great uncle about my new job and how much I liked it. He said "Stick with them and you'll be able to retire with a nice pension!"

  48. Manager: "I like the cut of your jib. No I don't usually do this but waht the heck. You're hired! Welcome to the family! Pay is $2.89 + tips. Grab an apron!"

  49. I remember when my dad told me as a teenager to never be the one to pursue a guy (because I'm a woman). Maybe that was to keep me safe in my youth, but I've since come to realize that most of the dudes who are worth being with are either shy or oblivious, and I have no choice but to make the first move.

  50. I'm going to admit I'm absolutely terrible at distinguishing if a woman is just being friendly with me or is actually into me and I think it's the same for a lot of guys. I generally assume a woman is just being friendly as I'd rather be wrong about that than potentially creep a woman out who's only being nice. So I really appreciate when women make the first move.

  51. I was both shy and oblivious. One night an acquaintance of mine asked me out. I had no clue she was interested in me, although it seemed obvious after the fact. I married her 2 weeks ago....

  52. As a shy and oblivious guy who years later finds out he had interest from women he liked... I feel seen.

  53. I pursued a coworker after we both went through a breakup. He was very shy and super oblivious to open flirting until I told him I was flirting with him.

  54. As a shy and oblivious guy, I advise that more women take the direct approach. We may very well be interested back and not have the courage to do it ourselves.

  55. Also guys often get told to not be creepy or too forward. Many women make it pretty clear that they do not want to be approached in public for the most part. Kind of difficult to meet a woman in a public situation if you know they likely do not want to be talked to.

  56. growing up in the 90s, it was drilled into us that women don't want to be catcalled (which is true), don't want to bothered at work (e.g. waitress/cashier), don't want to be approached by strange men on the street, don't want to be bothered at the store/school/workplace, let them have their privacy and don't be a creep.

  57. As a kid, I was bullied a ton, kind of outcast from games, activities, parties etc. Any time someone did interact with me, they were usually pretending to be my friend so they could embarrass or bully me, well into middle school. To this day, any time a girl gives me attention, I'm almost always thinking "Oh, she's not really interested in me. No one ever is." Even on dates! I can't count the amount of opportunities I've missed this way. My last girlfriend had to ask me out. Very, very grateful I finally got the nerve to ask my current girlfriend out. 2 1/2 years and going strong. =)

  58. Besides, why should women just sit passively while some dude chooses them. Why can’t they take an active roll in choosing who they’d like to be with? My wife took just as much, and arguably more, of a role in pursuing me as I did her. When I bought her engagement ring I took her back down to the jeweler and told her she’s choosing my ring since I picked out hers.

  59. It’s also: social pressures to not be a creep, dating app trauma for being too ugly; social media “proof” that it’s easier for women to physically get more attention and therefore suitors. These are entirely new obstacles. What compounds this problem is that I’ve seen some influencers in recent weeks encourage women to deliberately make guys do ALL the work to show them how worthy they are. Considering how disposable a man is made to seem I see absolutely no incentive to actively pursue and I have too much dignity to pursue desperately just to satisfy a biological urge to reproduce.

  60. Met my husband in-game in 2010 and was an instant attraction based on personalities. We spent a year talking online/Skype/etc. before he flew 13,000 miles to meet me. We’ve now been married since 2015 and he’s my best-friend, my honey boo, my everything. Getting to know him on an emotional level before the physical got in the way was definitely a big part of our connection…even though my mother warned me meeting someone on the internet was “going to be the worst decision I’d ever make”. 🤣😂

  61. Fuck, less than 10 years ago my friend was trying to discourage her kid from learning to code. It was/is practically the only thing he’s interested in, and he’s BLOODY GOOD at writing code. Idiot.

  62. “Everyone needs a college degree.” Trade school is absolutely the way to go for some people, myself included. And I did both.

  63. My son is 20. He went to a trade school (Wendelstedt Umpire School) for a total of ten weeks--two five-week sessions. He now makes t least $30 per hour and oftentimes more umpiring baseball. A game he loves.

  64. The first time I met my Ingress team (like pokemon go, but competitive capture-the-flag) I was in a graveyard farming gear and got a message in-app saying "get in the grey van" and, without thinking, I hopped in this grey van that came up behind me.

  65. I don't know. Even 20 years ago you'd get people wearing bluetooth ear pieces or the ear piece ear bud connected by a wire and it wasn't too abnormal then.

  66. “You can rest when you are dead”, in my opinion the “grind” culture is harmful and leads to a lot of physical and mental Illness. Stress induced illnesses have never been as bad as it is right now. Burnouts have never been as high as they are now. Mental health is plummeting. I understand that in some countries you have no choice but to grind to survive, but in developed countries I do not think society should encourage that mentality. Stress is a disease and this society is sick.

  67. I'm not from the U.S, and it's crazy to me how expensive the basic securities are over there. Housing, healthcare, education, commuting, all priced at premium and beyond. No wonder the people there have "work" as their main hobby.

  68. I worked my ass off as a temp 7-8 years ago. Only took one day off that year. Even worked weekends and 12 hour shifts. I was told that I was really good at my job which encourage me to keep going and I thought that meant I would eventually become a permanent employee. One day, HR called me in my office and said that my assignment is done and that I have to go home. I was so depressed bc it made me feel like my efforts were a waste. Worst thing was that the manager and supervisor weren’t there to tell me the news. It was some lady in hr.

  69. The irony is even in the 80s….there were cheap calculator watches (See Marty Mcfly/BTTF). Teachers have always been wrong about that.

  70. It's a bad argument used by teachers who don't feel like explaining the usefulness behind learning math (not just actually knowing math, but also learning how to learn something like math) to little children.

  71. I find that the human brain has trouble counting when passing any number ending in a 0. We have no trouble counting to a 0 or from a 0, but something misfires when we try to count between a 0.

  72. Did this in 1999-2000 and it always worked!! However I was getting at max 15 hours per week, making a whopping $5.15 an hour.

  73. I feel you. It feels like in the current academic landscape, you need a PhD to be taken seriously and having a master's degree is regarded as the 'default setting' for people.

  74. Except for a few specialized fields, where a Master's is a terminal degree (e.g. library sciences, public health), or teaching at a non-research based institution (junior/community college, some military schools) that wasn't true in 1982 much less 2002, and was generally the case even in 1962.

  75. I had a college professor, who at the time was working as an advisor, say this to me once. “If you take a majority of online classes, your future jobs might think you’re lazy. You want to take classes that are in person because then it looks like you actually care about the classes.” The entire time I’m thinking, even if I send a transcript to my prospective job, they’re not going to be able to see if the class was taken online or not… and this was in 2018-2019. So obviously he had to know that information was just not true.

  76. I hated high school and I was pretty depressed at the time, and the thought that those were supposed to be the best years of my life made me even more depressed. I'm glad that was wrong.

  77. This is gonna sound very depressing but, although high school sucked for me - I was bullied and went to a high-acheiving school with lots of studying required as a perfectionist kid who wouldn't mentally accept any grade below perfection - I still find myself missing how guided and sheltered I was in high school, and wishing I could go back.

  78. Only if "New Life +" is a real feature. High school is the epitome of "if I knew then what I know now, I would have done lots of things differently." Especially not giving a shit about people making fun of you.

  79. IDK what you think 20 years ago, but in 2002 80GB was considered a reasonable size for an HD. 40 was considered acceptable, 20 was considered crappy. 10 wasn't even on the table unless it was for a laptop.

  80. This was real advice when I was in college: “What degree you get doesn’t matter; employers just want to know that you can stick with it for 4 years.”

  81. I mean it still is true. Half the jobs at my company have degree requirements and a preference but not requirements for certain fields.

  82. In what way is this not true? Obviously you can't become a doctor with a degree in communications, but that isn't what this notion was meant to convey anyway.

  83. Just find you a job you like and stick with it. Doesn’t work now a days. Maximize salary, minimize “family style” work environment.

  84. As someone who ended up in the hospital multiple times because of work stress, I'm much happier in my current "family style" job with a lower salary. Getting a heart attack before 35 is not worth the extra money.

  85. Managers like it when you go in and introduce yourself and drop off your resume and fill out an application in person. Just surprise them and show up in a nice suit.

  86. "Work hard and you'll go places and live comfortably with a successful career that will cover everything you want in life or at least let you live comfortably."

  87. Lol, I worked in plastics. It’s all commodity plastics and all manufacturing moved to China. Specialty plastics with high margins are still around, but not as common.

  88. At one of my old jobs I worked at the front desk when one kid proudly came up to me on a particularly busy day and said they wanted to turn in a job application. Alright, cool. It wasn’t really that uncommon of a thing, but when I reached out for it he shook his head and said “No, I’d like to hand it directly to the manager.”

  89. That might work in certain areas for certain jobs considering the current state of affairs post-pandemic.

  90. A lot of people I have spoken to (generally 30+ with stable jobs) are livid that the union is asking for an increase in pay. My dad: “If they don’t have a good education, why should they get paid like someone with one ?”. Problem isn’t just the mentality of the government, it’s the people.

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