What villain was terrifying because they were right?

  1. The Reapers from Mass Effect, in the original BioWare ending before EA changed it. All they were trying to do was stop advanced races from using so much dark matter that they wiped out all life in the galaxy before other races were allowed to come along. If it wasn't for them, humanity wouldn't just not exist, but every species in the entire cycle, every species in every cycle, everyone would have died as the stars went out, this horrific fast heat death event, over the course of a few thousand years... Except a small group of Leviathans, in the early days of the Universe, realized what was going to happen, and sacrificed their entire civilization to save all future life in the galaxy.

  2. This is hands down the best answer I’ve seen by far. Most people seem to have misunderstood the original question, thank you for nailing it on the head

  3. The sharks from sharknado. Can you imagine youre just swimming around, minding your own business, then all of a sudden a tornado picks you up out of nowhere, drops you on land, and now you have to deal with tara reid? Yeah, i would start biting people too.

  4. One of the only good bits out of that godawful excuse for a Phoenix movie (X3) was just Magneto giving side-eye to the young mutants asking for his tattoos.. he just whips out the concentration camp number and stone-cold "No one is ever marking me again "

  5. Like when they killed his family in apocalypse. At that point, fuck it, burn it all down. The man was just trying to live in peace

  6. Yep. I’m not a big X-men fan but I remember leaving the theatre after watching “First Class” and I told my husband and friends “Magneto was right.”

  7. I just read his backstory, pretty sad. The professor accidentally created him by spilling chemical x on him (he was a lab assistant at the time), but then after the powerpuff girls were created, the professor eventually neglected Mojo and left him to live out on the streets.

  8. Red Queen resident evil, I have locked down this facility to prevent a world ending virus, please could you 'good guys' pay attention and not blow holes in the doors.

  9. Except she didn’t come out and say it from the beginning. I always hate it when characters say things like “you gotta trust me” or “now’s not the time” since that’s the only way for plot to move forward.

  10. The live-action movie has one of those random scenes you see as a kid that sticks with you your whole life: Mr. Wilson has been cultivating this flower that takes like 40 years to bloom and then dies in ten seconds. At the moment it's going to bloom, Dennis causes a ruckus and Mr. Wilson misses the blooming he's been working his whole adult life for.

  11. I was recently watching dazed and confused as an adult and found myself root for the guy that chases down the kids for smashing his mailbox. I was like "get those little bastards!"

  12. Stevie from Wizards of Waverly Place. Her entire goal was to stop families from giving up their magic to just one person in the family. Like…we’re really supposed to be rooting against her? It just seemed super out of character for Alex to go against that plan.

  13. I was thinking exactly this. Why give up your powers when everyone can have them. Only one member of the family having wizard powers seems unsustainable for the wizarding world.

  14. On a side note I always thought it was a cruel system and that the Russo parents were also somewhat cruel for having three kids knowing that two would eventually have to live the rest of their lives believing they weren't "good enough" or "smart enough" to carry their family's legacy.

  15. My husband explained that to me and I was like "whoa that's some dark shit." Don't they even kill her? Like they freeze her but then she shatters?

  16. In addition to what others are saying, a less nuanced and more simplistic reason for why Alex turned on Stevie and stopped her plan is because (from what I remember) the single wizard per family competition was a big aspect of the show. It was the stakes of losing their magic that motivated the overall story. It didn't drive every episode but still in every episode they would learn a magical lesson, and what were all those lessons for if not leading to an exam. The wizard competition. So they simply couldn't let Alex help Stevie destroy the conflict the show was built on. They wanted the ending they had been building up to, only one of the 3 kids would keep their magic. They weren't going to have a 4 episode character ruin that.

  17. I never understood the one wizard thing, the number of wizards in the world would almost half every generation. The best case would be a magic and non magic couple but that still only keeps numbers even. Wizards are doomed to extinction!

  18. Ken from The Bee Movie. I too would go absolutely berserk if a talking bee stole my girlfriend and gaslit me into thinking I was crazy

  19. I completely agree with this, I was was watching the bee movie 2 weeks ago and I felt bad for Ken, he was the only reasonable human in that movie.

  20. I still love the fact that Dooku tells him this and Obi-Wan knew about the clone army being set up under the Jedi's noses and no one decided to investigate that possible connection until years into the Clone Wars.

  21. Dooku is a really nuanced character. Even though he was Sith he never fully submitted to the dark side. He also recognized the Jedi had become ineffectual at solving problems and the republic was bloated and corrupt. He was an idealist that wanted what was best for the galaxy, even if that meant joining the nemesis of his old order.

  22. Kreia in KotOR II has the best motivations of any villain in any media I've seen and the fact that you can't just 100% take her side is a bummer to me.

  23. Aria’s parents on Pretty Little Liars. They’re villainized for not letting their high school daughter date her teacher??

  24. Am I totally misremembering my childhood stories here, or isn't Goldilocks portrayed as kind of a shitty little asshole in that story?

  25. This is a good one. Literal terrorist, but he got sympathy from pretty much every character in the movie, including those trying to stop him. Loyal leader, made concrete demands, and never actually intended on killing anyone.

  26. He wasn’t even really a bad guy. He went out of his way to not kill innocents (even though he threatened to), and his mission was entirely noble. Also Ed Harris is a 10/10 actor.

  27. Probably one of my favorite moments in my gaming history, when you meet her in 2 and that pure disdain and hatred in her voice

  28. I play 2-player portal with my brother and every time she insults one of the two of us I immediately remind him that she's trying to sow division between us and we shouldn't let her.

  29. Colonel Kurtz. “We train young men to drop fire on people, but their commanders won't allow them to write "fuck" on their airplanes because it's obscene.”

  30. Apocalypse Now is one of those movies where depending upon when you watch it and what version you watch, your view of it can change.

  31. Also worth noting that most of Brando's scenes were improvised. They filmed him talking shit off the top of his head, four hours at a time, and then used the best bits.

  32. Watched Apocalypse Now for the first time ever last weekend. I’ve had an image of Colonel Kurtz engraved in my head ever since.

  33. I wasn’t really terrified of it but N was in right in my opinion when we’re talking Pokémon. Dude thought getting these creatures and making them fight till one is knocked out wasn’t that amazing of an idea and it just made sense to kid me.

  34. That's kind of the whole point of them as antagonists. They make you question what it means to have a soul or be human at all.

  35. King Kong. Not even because he was right. He was just alive. Minding his own business and blam....taken out of his home and made to be the villain without any choice. A real good example of human nature. Edit a word

  36. I felt bad for the boyfriend. He’s genuinely the best thing for that family. He cares for the mom and loves spending time with her kids. He’s even willing to put up with a weird nanny. Then he just sort-of disappears after the restaurant. This might have been because the original script had the divorced couple get back together. But the two lead actors objected. They didn’t want any kids in the audience to get false hope. People divorce for a reason

  37. Maul. His last words before being captured by the Republic was, “YOU’RE ALL GOING TO BURN! YOU’RE ALL GOING TO DIE! YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE DOING!”

  38. He even told her that Palps was planning on using her master! I mean he connected the dots right there but it was too late.

  39. Ahsoka did listen. She outright said she would help him. Only problem was Maul letting slip he was going to kill Anakin in order to stop Sidious’ plan, that made Ahsoka loose sight of the bigger picture and fight him instead.

  40. In the book, the story is very different. A lot of time is spent by Deckard contemplating what it meant to be human. At one point, he runs into a Bladerunner that is a psychopath and after an argument demands that the voight-kopf test be performed on him. Deckerd finds out he is human but he is a complete psychopath and is less human than the Replicants. The story ends with Deckard killing all the replicants and getting hi reward which he was using to buy a replacement animal for his wife.

  41. SPOILERS - The Boss isn’t technically a villain since she was undercover and pretending to join the bad guys under orders from the US Government.

  42. that fight is THE best fight ever in a video game and I will not change my mind. MGS3 is Kojima’s best work and that’s really hard for me to say considering I 100% MGS2 substance and absolutely love that game.

  43. He compensates for his blandness by living extravagantly, and trying to seem like he is intelligent, with great tastes. It's why he goes on long rambling sessions on Huey Lewis and the News, why he tries his hardest to appear professional. Because without that, how would he appear to those around him? In the scene where he's eating with Detective Kimball, you can see that him look at Kimball putting salt on his steak, with Patrick doing the same after. It's as if he was taken over by some entity trying its hardest to seem as human as possible, trying not to raise suspicion. And some of his decisions are very interesting, like him sparing one woman, and even wanting to be punished for his actions. The point is, American Psycho is great. I still need to finish the book.

  44. It’s been a longggg time since I read the book, and I have no desire to reread, but wasn’t he utterly despised by like everyone in the book?

  45. The society is so vapid that he could believe he imagined it. 80's yuppie culture out-crazied a crazy person. Nobody cared to learn anyone's names, so his victims weren't noticed missing. He cared so much, but nobody else cared at all.

  46. I've always thought that the crimes he did were real, but everyone else was just too self absorbed to notice or care. Like the overnight bag that quite obviously has a body in it, but all the other guy asks is where he got it.

  47. Fun fact: James Van Der Beek’s character in Rules of Attraction is Patrick Bateman’s little brother. The movie was also originally a Bret Easton Ellis book. He references (I think calls) his “brother Patrick” in one of the scenes

  48. Scar. He only wanted to be king because he was a second male lion in the pride. Which means he is automatically not getting much food and also beaten into submission regularly if he wants to stay in the pride. Aside from that he isn't allowed to mate at all, only the "king" gets that. Can we really blame him?

  49. Screenslaver from The Incredibles 2. The monolog given during that movie regularly rings in my head. I'm sure the creepy bass robotic voice doesn't help too.

  50. I always thought Screenslaver was crazy intense for a kids movie. Syndrome was complex enough as a villain with a proper tragic origin story and they dialled it up to 11 for the sequel and threw in a hapless sibling who couldn’t see past his bias for good measure.

  51. My dad was the voice of the Screenslaver (and the pizza guy), so I can’t wait to show him this!! I know he’ll appreciate your takeaway.

  52. When she resented their father for standing by and doing nothing and waiting instead of taking matters into his own hands to save the both of them

  53. Bobby Heenan. Spent the 80s telling us how awful and selfish Hulk Hogan was. Was proven absolutely correct in 1996. In hindsight, Heenan was trying to save us all from the inevitable scourge of “Hollywood” Hogan.

  54. Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin from Spider-Man. "In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually, they will hate you." Dude was right about how the perception of public figures changes over time.

  55. “I chose my path, you chose the way of the hero. And though they found you amusing for a time, if there’s one thing people love more than a hero, it’s to see a hero fall, fail, die trying.”

  56. Frankenstein's "monster". Adam. Created by a shortsighted, arrogant doctor as the first of his race, then denied the opportunity to be part of a community (of his own, manmade beings, or the human community). He only became monstrous after it became clear that Frankenstein would never create another of his kind, and was driven mad by his desire to punish Frankenstein's hubris.

  57. The best part was that Victor wasn’t even a doctor, he was an undergrad! He was literally a college student who went awol in his first year or so of college and created a monster from dead bodies because he thought he knew better then everyone around him.

  58. So I love him as an antagonist, but I can't say that he was strictly "correct" if that makes sense. Yes, he was right about many people being abominable, but there were plenty of innocent people that were murdered for the crimes of others. He had flaws in his logic, and that's part of why he was such an amazing and compelling character. If he assumed all people were not worth the oxygen in their lungs or the blood in their veins, he immediately judged even the best of people by his own standards as an immortal.

  59. The Red Hood. Batman beats insane people up. They go to Arkham, are usually experimented on there and come back worse. In a way I that makes Batman one of the worst perpetuators of Gotham's constant decline into savagery.

  60. In comics' logic, yeah, Red Hood has a point. Since they're apparently incapable of building prisons/institutions that people can't escape from.

  61. Joker talking with Batman about it gave me chills. "And what are you gonna do? Put me into another body cast for three months?"

  62. AUTO From WALL-E. It was one of the only almost perfectly executed ‘ai’ villains. He never really talks unless needed because he wasn’t programmed to, no malicious motives, does everything efficiently. He’s only ‘bad’ because he’s following his programming, protect the humans and don’t let them back to earth. Not out of malicious intent, but it was what he was programmed to do. And his directive isn’t even incorrect. WALL-E Finding that plant was like finding a 4 leaf clover in a field of grain. The planet was nowhere near habitable, and they barely know how to stand when they get back, in reality you know nobody on that axiom is going to make it very far.

  63. I agree that they shouldn’t have made it very far, but in the end I think we see the future where humanity returns

  64. You would expect a Pixar movie to have a message like “everyone is born special” but The Incredible’s message is more like “some people are born more special than others, and it’s not okay to tear them down out of jealousy”

  65. DoFP is a solid movie and doesn’t get the love it should. I love how they fit in the historical elements into the film to go along with the plot.

  66. The best villains are those that make you question your own morality and whether serving the greater good is worth the sacrifice of many lives.

  67. Not really sure if you can consider him a villain.. but Peacemaker when he went on a rant about Batman causing countless deaths because he refuses to kill supervillains

  68. Squidward’s a minimum wage worker in a monotonous day job with a boss who explicitly wants him to earn as little as possible and cuts costs everywhere, while having a musician’s heart and playing his passion instrument to have some happiness and relaxing time for himself. He then proceeds to have his only time of peace and tranquillity stolen from him by a loud, inconvenient neighbor who doesn’t take care of his shit and makes fun of him for not being a pro at music. Most sponge bob episodes I watch nowadays have me rooting for squidward to just murder those two morons before they induce a depression breakdown on our squid boy.

  69. Let me talk and talk revealing my plan. Classic bad guy mistake until he tells you he triggered it 35 minutes ago and was talking to waste time.

  70. I'll never forget reading "Watchmen" back in the 90's when I was in college and getting to the part where he explains his plan and Nite Owl and Rorschach are all "Not if we stop you first!" and he just looks at them like they're idiots (because they are) and he basically says, "Dude, I'm not some dumbass comic book villain telling you my master plan and giving you a chance to stop me for no reason. I already did all that shit like an hour ago and you're fucked." That was just brilliant.

  71. The flaw was just how short sighted his plan was. When he asks Doctor Manhattan if he made a difference and Manhattan replies that it didn't really matter the look on his face in the comic shows he is just realizing that.

  72. I was just thinking about this earlier today coincidentally. I actually think the fact that his name is “Ozymandias” is foreshadowing that something goes horribly wrong with his plan sometime after the book ends. Iirc they quote the part of the poem “Ozymandias” describing Ozymandias’ accomplishments at one point in the book to hype up his character, but leave out the part of the poem where it describes everything Ozymandias created being destroyed. The reader is supposed to fill in those blanks if they know the rest of the poem

  73. Except he was secretly a bender all along and was only doing it to get revenge for his dead father by destroying Aang’s legacy.

  74. Zaheer (the evil airbender of S3) was a better executed villain. He was an uncompromising anarchist in the truest sense.

  75. Evelyn (screen slaver) from Incredibles 2. She said superheros keep people weak and are the reason for her parents deaths. Which is technically true, if you rely on someone else to keep you safe you will never learn how to keep yourself safe and if something happens to them, what will you do?

  76. For all that it mattered, save for a literal dues ex machina, Mass Effect's Sovereign was right: "You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it."

  77. Was the purpose of their cyclic "allowing and ending" intelligent life ever revealed? Did they have a motive beyond "because we can"?

  78. For all my theater nerds. Besides AIDS.. Benny was the “villain” of the musical RENT. But was he the villain? He’s a grey character for sure but I don’t think he’s such a bastard.

  79. It’s easier to swallow in the stage version where the characters are played by age appropriate actors mostly. Early twenties/late teens or at least close enough. You can understand these folks being idiots and selfish because they’re young.

  80. I always kind of felt for him because at some point your freeloading friends become an issue and I don’t think what he was doing was necessarily wrong. It just kind of felt like he grew up and found a steady life. His friends unfortunately didn’t and weren’t living by the rules. I also felt bad that they killed his wife’s Akita lol.

  81. The Matrix’s Agent Smith: “I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to another area, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.”

  82. I appreciate the character of Agent Smith because he’s really the true anomaly of the trilogy. (Spoiler alert following)

  83. Smith seems to be implying here that mammals and other animals just know their place in nature. I don't know if that's actually what happens, rather nature "enforces" this equilibrium through life that is hard and often short that forces animals without an advantage to live in this state. Even without human intervention, animals with an advantage will outcompete other animals and wipe them out. It's happened many many times throughout millions of years.

  84. He's far more brutal and menacing in the comics, but they write his backstory to be very sympathetic. WAY more difficult to defeat as well

  85. My favorite part is that, in his “mind” he was still following his ultimate mandate of saving humanity by eliminating the biggest threat to it. Just so happens that’s, uh, us.

  86. Poison Ivy is an environmentalist at heart and Raj Al Ghul is a humanitarian. Both were pushed into extremism after the broken system they're trying to fix simply refused to change for so long that they decided the system itself needed to be torn down

  87. Kyle was always more of an antihero, but it’s funny how the Gotham City Sirens, three of Batman’s most famous rogues (arguably the top three after the Joker), all went on to become full-on heroes more or less.

  88. Evil Morty from Rick and Morty. He just wanted to get away and be free from Rick’s constant abuse. Granted, he took innocent lives to achieve his goal, and was wrong when he said ‘If there’s one truth in the universe? It’s that Ricks don’t care about Mortys,” (C137, both Doofus Ricks, Wasp Rick are all exceptions-) He was right about it being a constant cycle of abuse, because most Ricks do abuse their Mortys. He got sick of it. He just wanted an escape.

  89. "The nation's of the world spend over a trillion dollars a year on armaments. I intend to deny them that indulgence. The money and energy devoted now to war will be turned instead to the eradication of hunger, poverty and disease. I offer a golden age, the like of which humanity has never imagined!" Magneto.

  90. On the one hand, yeah kinda. But, on the other hand, a not insignificant amount of humanity’s fear of mutants is a direct result of Magneto’s own actions.

  91. I gotta say Zahir from Avatar: tLoK. Dude wasn’t wrong about oppression and freedom. Can’t advocate the murder, though.

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