Does anyone believe that allowing beards will be anything more than a bandaid for morale? I would love a 1/4â allowance just so shaving waivers werenât a thing.
Maybe for some but the unpopular opinion is that itâs becoming the norm as time goes on. Back in the day it used to be you conformed to the military lifestyle and now itâs the other way around. Thatâs not a bad thing at all.
You kinda answered it right there. By getting rid of the shaving waiver process alone it will be more than just a morale bandaid, as it will save man hours by not having to administer that dumbass program anymore. It will also save time for the chaplaincy in addition to medical because they will not have to deal with as many facial hair accommodation requests.
They talked about baseball caps for an hour and a half at a big meeting with all the AF top brass a few years ago and decided ânoâ, but now we have them - sometimes the wave crests a little later than you think it will in huge bureaucracies
I just got a shaving waiver. No one in my unit cares; I'm in meetings with the group commander frequently enough and he doesn't care. So I recommend everyone get a shaving waiver
Iâm in FSS and I feel like 1/3 to 1/2 of the males in the DFAC are already on a waiver. Just fucking allow it at this point if the standard is Oprah everyone gets a waiver anyways.
The reason we got hands in pockets was because everyone was already doing it. Same reason we will probably see black socks authorized eventually. Itâs easier to say âFuck it, just change the rulesâ when everyone does it. Unless we all collectively start growing out beards, I donât see it happening. Senior leaders have already shown they donât give a shit about any of the studies that confirm discrimination against Airmen with shaving waivers. If they donât care about that, they definitely donât care about SrA Dirtbag âwantingâ a beard.
This lines uo with something I heard from a Chief at my base during NCOPE, accoring to him he was at a Chief's symposium and Chief Bass does not like it when the topic of beards are brought up.
I heard she supports them, but Gen Brown does not. I'd probably be pretty annoyed if I had to constantly tow the company line and shut down folks on stuff that I actually am for.
Leadership at it's finest. Always with our best interests at heart while maximizing morale. Doing less with more seems to be the axiom of our incompetent, nieve & failing upper leaderships. Glad we get to see them wither away as we replace them & unfuck their legacy of laziness.
I donât want to hear any complaining about recruitment or retention issues. If the AF canât get enough people in the door, its on the AF to make the concessions to get people in the door. There are Airmen currently wearing beards due to shaving wavers. I dont get the stubbornness.
people say get a waiver its simple. False, look i dont have PFB however I get a hell of razor burn and it fucks my face up for a while. I have tried to get a waiver 3 times and was denied because I dont have PFB. i have to shave daily regardless of what it does to my face it sucks.
Not sure when this is from but based on social media activity from both her and the base, wouldnât it be very obvious if she was or was not in Hawaii? Yeah they could not go to the base and make a Tweet before she left and just publish it while sheâs there, but that sounds like a great deal of effort to make this meeting secretive
There was literally just a meeting with a ton of AF leadership including Chief Bass in Hawaii. Also she does have pictures of Hawaii on her social media.
A big reason I got out after four years approximately a century ago was the inescapable pea-brained, mission-irrelevant mentality of the few with nothing better to do than make and enforce these idiotic rules. Back then there was always some asshole who was more worried about somebody's haircut, "proper" saluting, or somebody's hands in a pocket than whether the job got done. Now, I understand, such mission-critical issues as beards and pronouns have moved into prominence with them. Traditions are important, but if changing times justifies legitimizing official gender confusion and spending time lecturing the troops about it, then maybe changing times also justifies rethinking some of these juvenile demands on individuals who are regularly lectured about behaving like adults.
Jokes on them, I just got hired as a civilian contractor for the same place I used to work at. I was getting paid enlisted pay (with mil benefits obviously). Now, I'm gonna get $113k with benefits and a beard lol.
Lol so I was kinda there when it was discussed. Bottom line.... Regs can't be written for beards to uphold a clean and professional appearance. There is too much variation and airman cannot be trusted to police themselves. Some people can only grow goatees, some can only grow side burns, others only grow hair on their necks or just sotty fuzz. Thats it, it cannot be written in to regs in a way that ensures a clean appearance. Too many people would look like sloppy shit. just kidding I wasn't there, or was I?
See this is that crap that I keep hearing (not attacking you). That variation arguement dont get brought up when you got bald officers with horse shoes and BALDING left and right. If they dont discriminate against the pattern of hair that grows NATURALLY from the top of their head, then they shouldnt discriminate against the natural hair that grows from the face.
I think beards wonât be allowed for a long while, because many people would just look sloppy. If it became in regs, I would sport a neat beard, but I refuse to get a BS shaving waiver. I could guaranteed get one with ease at my base, but I wonât. Another airman in my unit did and the things Iâve heard people say about it behind his back are not very good. And Iâm talking people from SrA all the way up to Colonel. You might think people are chill with it, but many are not. Itâs unfortunate that itâs looked down upon and thus it should be put in regs to end the stigma and the gray areas.
Probably best to accept a beard in service is never going to be a reality for most. I have one pretty often, and I wish yâall could too, but I donât see it happening.
Are we trying to be the Yankees of the international military world? The only baseball team that requires you to be clean shaven. Just let us have beards and boost morale for a few more years til we find something else to be upset about.
Not sure when this is from but based on social media activity from both her and the base, wouldnât it be very obvious if she was or was not in Hawaii? Yeah they could not go to the base and make a Tweet before she left and just publish it while sheâs there, but that sounds like a great deal of effort to make this meeting secretive
Well I texted Chief Bass and she said anything for you sweetheart. So expect beards in the future.
Bless your heart
Then all the airmen applauded.
Thank you for your service.
Bass or Bass?
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Does anyone believe that allowing beards will be anything more than a bandaid for morale? I would love a 1/4â allowance just so shaving waivers werenât a thing.
I mean a quarter inch could still be a decent professional looking beard. Not what everyone wants, sure, but not really a hill I care to die on.
Itâs a conspiracy with the VA to cut down on claims for Pseudofolliculitis barbae.
Is it a bandaid for moral? I see so many people that already have them from profile.
Maybe for some but the unpopular opinion is that itâs becoming the norm as time goes on. Back in the day it used to be you conformed to the military lifestyle and now itâs the other way around. Thatâs not a bad thing at all.
You kinda answered it right there. By getting rid of the shaving waiver process alone it will be more than just a morale bandaid, as it will save man hours by not having to administer that dumbass program anymore. It will also save time for the chaplaincy in addition to medical because they will not have to deal with as many facial hair accommodation requests.
I want to go full blown Viking fucking beard!
Shaving waivers are such a f**king joke! I was medical for the last 13 years of my career... practically ANYBODY who asked for one, got one.
[x] Doubt
They did just have a Comm Squadron CC's and SELs meeting in Hawaii last week...
I just went to the FB page for this and the post by OP is literally nowhere on the page.
They talked about baseball caps for an hour and a half at a big meeting with all the AF top brass a few years ago and decided ânoâ, but now we have them - sometimes the wave crests a little later than you think it will in huge bureaucracies
I just got a shaving waiver. No one in my unit cares; I'm in meetings with the group commander frequently enough and he doesn't care. So I recommend everyone get a shaving waiver
Whatâs the process? I feel like thereâs a stigma and an uphill battle for Caucasian airmen.
Iâm in FSS and I feel like 1/3 to 1/2 of the males in the DFAC are already on a waiver. Just fucking allow it at this point if the standard is Oprah everyone gets a waiver anyways.
The reason we got hands in pockets was because everyone was already doing it. Same reason we will probably see black socks authorized eventually. Itâs easier to say âFuck it, just change the rulesâ when everyone does it. Unless we all collectively start growing out beards, I donât see it happening. Senior leaders have already shown they donât give a shit about any of the studies that confirm discrimination against Airmen with shaving waivers. If they donât care about that, they definitely donât care about SrA Dirtbag âwantingâ a beard.
If I remember correctly that's how a Brit told me they ended up with beards. They just changed the policy in 2019. Canada as well.
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Woah, you arenât wearing patterned socks yet?
I didn't know people were even still checking socks. Why black though? Made sense with black boots but not with green/brown
I guess I should probably stop wearing my Turkey day and Santa socksâŠ.
At this rate: we will be able to smoke weed before they come off the beard band.
SEAC also said at AFSA last year that beards werenât gonna be a thing eithe r
Like 65% of the airmen on my base have waivers now like what the fuck even happened
Seems like 50% of SFS working the gate at my base has a shaving waiver.
This lines uo with something I heard from a Chief at my base during NCOPE, accoring to him he was at a Chief's symposium and Chief Bass does not like it when the topic of beards are brought up.
Thatâs why we keep bringing it up, her own advice was to keep challenging a ânoâ until it becomes a âyes.â
I heard she supports them, but Gen Brown does not. I'd probably be pretty annoyed if I had to constantly tow the company line and shut down folks on stuff that I actually am for.
Not surprised by this at all. What a slow news day.
Chief Towberman confirmed this for us on the Space Force Reddit a few weeks ago. Looks like we are back to the dark ages.
I guess razor bumps are considered a professional look
At this point it would take an act of congress...
I mean that's the same source as the one saying the beards were coming.
Right?
Time to flood the chain with religious accommodation waivers
Good luck? I have asked my HC for an example like 5x and they just ignore the requestsâŠ
Persistence is key.
And as an NCO youâve been meeting with future troops to obtain a copy of said key for morale and wellness checks, r-right?
I think the are more dudes with beards at NASIC then dudes without beards⊠idk how all of them have shaving waivers lmao
Leadership at it's finest. Always with our best interests at heart while maximizing morale. Doing less with more seems to be the axiom of our incompetent, nieve & failing upper leaderships. Glad we get to see them wither away as we replace them & unfuck their legacy of laziness.
Board meeting in Hawaii?
Has to get some đ€đŸ photos in.
RHIP
Does anyone actually believe that Russian propaganda page anymore?
I donât want to hear any complaining about recruitment or retention issues. If the AF canât get enough people in the door, its on the AF to make the concessions to get people in the door. There are Airmen currently wearing beards due to shaving wavers. I dont get the stubbornness.
Heard itâs a âwantâ for us! I bet it was a want for pony tails!
Lmao, sexism at it finest
people say get a waiver its simple. False, look i dont have PFB however I get a hell of razor burn and it fucks my face up for a while. I have tried to get a waiver 3 times and was denied because I dont have PFB. i have to shave daily regardless of what it does to my face it sucks.
If women asked for beards maybe we'd get them. #femaleempowerment
Get a waiver. Problem solved.
Not sure when this is from but based on social media activity from both her and the base, wouldnât it be very obvious if she was or was not in Hawaii? Yeah they could not go to the base and make a Tweet before she left and just publish it while sheâs there, but that sounds like a great deal of effort to make this meeting secretive
There was literally just a meeting with a ton of AF leadership including Chief Bass in Hawaii. Also she does have pictures of Hawaii on her social media.
A big reason I got out after four years approximately a century ago was the inescapable pea-brained, mission-irrelevant mentality of the few with nothing better to do than make and enforce these idiotic rules. Back then there was always some asshole who was more worried about somebody's haircut, "proper" saluting, or somebody's hands in a pocket than whether the job got done. Now, I understand, such mission-critical issues as beards and pronouns have moved into prominence with them. Traditions are important, but if changing times justifies legitimizing official gender confusion and spending time lecturing the troops about it, then maybe changing times also justifies rethinking some of these juvenile demands on individuals who are regularly lectured about behaving like adults.
You got out in 1922?
It's so weird that Bass is against beards when it looks like she could grow a pretty good one.
Jokes on them, I just got hired as a civilian contractor for the same place I used to work at. I was getting paid enlisted pay (with mil benefits obviously). Now, I'm gonna get $113k with benefits and a beard lol.
Time for dat RA waiverâŠ
Lol so I was kinda there when it was discussed. Bottom line.... Regs can't be written for beards to uphold a clean and professional appearance. There is too much variation and airman cannot be trusted to police themselves. Some people can only grow goatees, some can only grow side burns, others only grow hair on their necks or just sotty fuzz. Thats it, it cannot be written in to regs in a way that ensures a clean appearance. Too many people would look like sloppy shit. just kidding I wasn't there, or was I?
People have horseshoe hairlines but that isnât against regulation.
See this is that crap that I keep hearing (not attacking you). That variation arguement dont get brought up when you got bald officers with horse shoes and BALDING left and right. If they dont discriminate against the pattern of hair that grows NATURALLY from the top of their head, then they shouldnt discriminate against the natural hair that grows from the face.
Sounds like someone who cant grow a beard had part in the decision.
There's literally already regs for beards. AFI 36-2903 3.1.2.3.
Why canât guys have beard!!??
So youâre saying thereâs a chanceâŠ
Clarify soon lol
Theres a pretty cool thing you can get when youâre in the Air Force so that you can grow a beard, itâs called a DD-214 I think
My pissy super hates on my full, lush beard.
I think beards wonât be allowed for a long while, because many people would just look sloppy. If it became in regs, I would sport a neat beard, but I refuse to get a BS shaving waiver. I could guaranteed get one with ease at my base, but I wonât. Another airman in my unit did and the things Iâve heard people say about it behind his back are not very good. And Iâm talking people from SrA all the way up to Colonel. You might think people are chill with it, but many are not. Itâs unfortunate that itâs looked down upon and thus it should be put in regs to end the stigma and the gray areas.
Doesn't seem to matter. The amount of people I see walking around my building with full on beards is crazy.
Well ima wear a beard when I donât reenlist
Hell yeah
Probably best to accept a beard in service is never going to be a reality for most. I have one pretty often, and I wish yâall could too, but I donât see it happening.
AFSOC really dislikes beards and they have repeatedly said that even if it gets approved, they won't allow it
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Considering you think generalized Americans are slobs maybe youâre part of the problem.
Thank god. Beards donât belong
I respect your opinion and the chutzpah to post it considering it is wildly unpopular.
I bet Vikings wouldnât even call us men, just pussys who need to cheat to pass pt tests.
Why does it matter
FML.
Wasn't some sort of guidance/update on this supposed to drop this month?
I feel like we would need a beard police AFSC, sign me up.
âDo more with less facial hairâ
Source: I made it up
Are we trying to be the Yankees of the international military world? The only baseball team that requires you to be clean shaven. Just let us have beards and boost morale for a few more years til we find something else to be upset about.
I love 45 discussions.
Yea that page is pretty garbage
Between a medical waiver and the AFI, you can have a decent beard.
Thats whats pressing in today's military fricking beards. Ok pretty boys put down the mirror and get to work. Ladies only comment.
Though the source may be questionable I believe the Intel is sound. Fat chance of ever seeing beards in our lifetime.
Positive is NOT about women pretending to be GFs?
Not sure when this is from but based on social media activity from both her and the base, wouldnât it be very obvious if she was or was not in Hawaii? Yeah they could not go to the base and make a Tweet before she left and just publish it while sheâs there, but that sounds like a great deal of effort to make this meeting secretive