I know I’m risking controversy by saying it🥶… but the blonde woman ain’t wrong. The former surgery usually has more positive physiological outcomes than negative, whereas the latter has the opposite effect. Although it’s always better to solve a physical health issue with as little medical intervention as possible, comparing the two procedures is apples and oranges.
Classic is quite difficult to identify compared to the other IDs (especially SC), it could be that there are more of them that think they’re another ID?
Gender and sex are two different things, non-binary is a gender, therefore this conversation has nothing to do with “sex classes.” Non-binary people don’t think they’re “superior” any more than a binary trans person would, not sure where you got that from.
That is why I noted “usually” it is women who ID as nonbinary. And what is gender? What is it to “feel like” a man, a woman, or neither? What is the difference between each of those experiences? Furthermore, why does your happiness and comfort trump others’? Many women are uncomfortable with males entering their private female spaces. Why should they have to sacrifice their safety on the basis of the male’s subjective feelings? It doesn’t just affect you. You expect people to honor your identity, but you won’t honor others’ refusal of your beliefs? It’s not consistent
I would ask you those same questions. Personally, I believe gender is a social construct created so that those with penises could control reproduction back in the day. I’m non-binary because I refuse to participate in such a system. A because gender just doesn’t compute for me. Many neurodivergent people have a hard time understanding gender.
How can anyone understand gender when it has no definition? No criteria? You say “social construct” but what is included within this construct…and why do you continue to frame yourself within it? You’re only perpetuating the patriarchy by claiming to be outside femaleness and womanhood. It is just like ethnicity—humans created these categories for social purposes, but they are defined by tangible, immutable physical characteristics. And cut the shit with the “I live in your head rent free” condescension, the world does not revolve around you. If you can choose to believe in gender-souls and have your religious beliefs, then I should be free to choose to opt-out of those, and I should not be socially nor legally compelled to engage with them. Unfortunately this is not the case, and I could face consequences for not kowtowing to your personal belief system. I still have yet to see a definition of gender from…well, anyone I ask. For the record, I was loyal to gender ideology for many years, and in my teens I thought I felt like I was “both man and woman”. But when I sat and really thought about it, I realized that having a unique taste in clothing, personality, and feelings did not change what I physically am. Nor should it…. we should accept people when they are atypical of their sex class, not tell them they were “born in the wrong body” and that they need to damage their health to fit into a rigid social role, and put the vulnerable sex class’s comfort and safety at risk if not blatantly ignore and trample over it. Disagreement is not violence or hatred, but physically coming into a vulnerable group’s space as males make excuses to do is. That is the fallout from gender ideology.
I think the fallacy here is that people expect to be exempt from their sex class and treated differently, especially women who ID as nonbinary because they want to escape the pain and humiliation ingrained into being female. But in daily life this simply isn’t true, people may call you what you want them to, but they still see you as being a part of your sex class, be it consciously or subconsciously. It is impossible to just erase that instinctual response to sex cues, when we’ve been depending upon them for understanding, community-forming, and communication for thousands of years now.
To be honest I’m going to post a controversial opinion here and say you should absolutely not be having conversations with your fat friends about how you are scared of gaining weight and don’t want to be fat. That’s just good manners… I agree with the majority of what is posted on
Totally agree but so many chronically online FAs twist others’ passing preferences into being about them specifically and take it as a personal attack. Stating “I like being healthy and fit” is very different from “I don’t want to be fat and ugly like you” The latter of which I see very few people actually say
(Pure R). Looking at photos from when I was ill for a long period of time and I was slightly underweight, my shoulders looked small but sharper, whereas currently they are all round. I looked incredibly narrow; I was looking more like a rectangle but with soft edges (as opposed to a more pronounced figure-8). I actually looked more elongated (but still objectively didn’t have “elongation”; moreso in comparison to myself). My arms and legs were still fleshy, and I still had the “boneless” look lacking frame.
Write it in! As long as everything else is identical, writing in the unit number is okay. I’ve done it for customers many times and never had an issue.
Thanks! I’d prefer doing that since it’s less of a hassle for everyone involved. Do you think, if anything were to happen like the package getting lost in transit or some other thing going wrong and the buyer files a claim against me - would Depop mind that I wrote the apt. number on it manually? I mean technically it’s still tracked but I don’t want to somehow be opened up to penalty should anything go south 🙃
“TERFs” could not be further from right-wingers…
I know I’m risking controversy by saying it🥶… but the blonde woman ain’t wrong. The former surgery usually has more positive physiological outcomes than negative, whereas the latter has the opposite effect. Although it’s always better to solve a physical health issue with as little medical intervention as possible, comparing the two procedures is apples and oranges.
Where are you getting your information from? What surgeries are you referring to?
gender confirmation surgery outcomes:
I thought that there would be more classics
Classic is quite difficult to identify compared to the other IDs (especially SC), it could be that there are more of them that think they’re another ID?
Gender and sex are two different things, non-binary is a gender, therefore this conversation has nothing to do with “sex classes.” Non-binary people don’t think they’re “superior” any more than a binary trans person would, not sure where you got that from.
That is why I noted “usually” it is women who ID as nonbinary. And what is gender? What is it to “feel like” a man, a woman, or neither? What is the difference between each of those experiences? Furthermore, why does your happiness and comfort trump others’? Many women are uncomfortable with males entering their private female spaces. Why should they have to sacrifice their safety on the basis of the male’s subjective feelings? It doesn’t just affect you. You expect people to honor your identity, but you won’t honor others’ refusal of your beliefs? It’s not consistent
I would ask you those same questions. Personally, I believe gender is a social construct created so that those with penises could control reproduction back in the day. I’m non-binary because I refuse to participate in such a system. A because gender just doesn’t compute for me. Many neurodivergent people have a hard time understanding gender.
How can anyone understand gender when it has no definition? No criteria? You say “social construct” but what is included within this construct…and why do you continue to frame yourself within it? You’re only perpetuating the patriarchy by claiming to be outside femaleness and womanhood. It is just like ethnicity—humans created these categories for social purposes, but they are defined by tangible, immutable physical characteristics. And cut the shit with the “I live in your head rent free” condescension, the world does not revolve around you. If you can choose to believe in gender-souls and have your religious beliefs, then I should be free to choose to opt-out of those, and I should not be socially nor legally compelled to engage with them. Unfortunately this is not the case, and I could face consequences for not kowtowing to your personal belief system. I still have yet to see a definition of gender from…well, anyone I ask. For the record, I was loyal to gender ideology for many years, and in my teens I thought I felt like I was “both man and woman”. But when I sat and really thought about it, I realized that having a unique taste in clothing, personality, and feelings did not change what I physically am. Nor should it…. we should accept people when they are atypical of their sex class, not tell them they were “born in the wrong body” and that they need to damage their health to fit into a rigid social role, and put the vulnerable sex class’s comfort and safety at risk if not blatantly ignore and trample over it. Disagreement is not violence or hatred, but physically coming into a vulnerable group’s space as males make excuses to do is. That is the fallout from gender ideology.
I am all these stages. I am not a fan of stage 2 since I seen it used too many times as a homophobic slur in a conservative area.
I think the fallacy here is that people expect to be exempt from their sex class and treated differently, especially women who ID as nonbinary because they want to escape the pain and humiliation ingrained into being female. But in daily life this simply isn’t true, people may call you what you want them to, but they still see you as being a part of your sex class, be it consciously or subconsciously. It is impossible to just erase that instinctual response to sex cues, when we’ve been depending upon them for understanding, community-forming, and communication for thousands of years now.
If that’s what being progressive is, I don’t want to be progressive
To be honest I’m going to post a controversial opinion here and say you should absolutely not be having conversations with your fat friends about how you are scared of gaining weight and don’t want to be fat. That’s just good manners… I agree with the majority of what is posted on
Totally agree but so many chronically online FAs twist others’ passing preferences into being about them specifically and take it as a personal attack. Stating “I like being healthy and fit” is very different from “I don’t want to be fat and ugly like you” The latter of which I see very few people actually say
(Pure R). Looking at photos from when I was ill for a long period of time and I was slightly underweight, my shoulders looked small but sharper, whereas currently they are all round. I looked incredibly narrow; I was looking more like a rectangle but with soft edges (as opposed to a more pronounced figure-8). I actually looked more elongated (but still objectively didn’t have “elongation”; moreso in comparison to myself). My arms and legs were still fleshy, and I still had the “boneless” look lacking frame.
Write it in! As long as everything else is identical, writing in the unit number is okay. I’ve done it for customers many times and never had an issue.
Thanks! I’d prefer doing that since it’s less of a hassle for everyone involved. Do you think, if anything were to happen like the package getting lost in transit or some other thing going wrong and the buyer files a claim against me - would Depop mind that I wrote the apt. number on it manually? I mean technically it’s still tracked but I don’t want to somehow be opened up to penalty should anything go south 🙃