Also he comes across as someone genuinely trying hard to reach an interpretation of events as close to truth as possible without being too confident/arrogant about it. It's a rare quality in a streamer actually.
Absolutely. I think he tries to approach topics with as little bias or hyperbole as possible, which I really appreciate. I like vaush but he often speaks confidently about topics without a full understanding of the situation.
Yeah I agree...the thing that always made me like Vaush which I mentioned here too is his instinctive moral clarity and his rhetorical abilities that make up for his sloppiness.
Why are you people so desperate to defend the indefensible holy shit? Palestinian liberation is just & righteous, Israeli apartheid is inhuman and Hamas raping & murdering civilians is monstrous too.
It's disgusting. But it's coming from both sides of Western political discourse. There were people on World News discussing what snacks they were eating watching a live stream of people being bombed and killed in Gaza last night - hoping for as much carnage in revenge as possible. An Indonesian hospital was obliterated.
I am literally Vaush debating that Serb Nationalist: "What's wrong with you people? You are a tiny country that can just integrate itself to EU & the larger European economy and that would be enough for your country. Instead all you obsessively think about is invading & murdering Kosovars as you eat & drink and breathe" lol
Oh he already did that and then added numerous qualifications & justifications to it and in spite of all that, what he is saying is still stupid & harmful.
I understand there is additional context, but why do people like this guy? The two times I’ve seen him he’s been annoying as shit and purposefully dense to prove a point
My sentiments exactly...even when he is saying something resembling what I agree with, it all looks so belaboured, in an obsessive sort of way. I can't watch more than 5 minutes of him. Anyways I try not to judge people based on who they like. It's a personal preference. I just hate it when someone tries to dump cold water on objectively good things.
Yeah I kinda just saw the screenshot and didn't read the article and it didn't seem funny to me at all from the details in the screenshot. My bad though but I don't wanna delete the post.
I also always learn something new from his streams/videos. From this I learnt that USSR had an exact same program in which they got their share of Nazis as well just like Operation Paperclip. The name of that Operation is too difficult to remember or pronounce lol
What did just you say ? , loser nazis ?! , nazi means loser bro , you are saying loser loser , would you ask for a cup of coffee coffe with cream cream ?
Oh a lot of people were actually calling GamerGate as left wing movement a few days back in this sub. It's turning more & more toxic. I hope Vaush ethers it into the space.
There was some person replying to me called himself a socialist and said he was leftist back then too and still a part of GamerGate because the women journalists were sleeping around with developers or something compromising their journalistic ethics. I can fetch the post but I am too tired lol
The only normal reaction to her is that of indifference. It's just a purely personal drama dressed up as a political fight. Made the mistake of even paying any attention to it actually.
If people wanted to criticize Rose Wrist for whatever he did on that manifesto(I think he just helped edit it?) ok fine but I think the business with redirecting his site was dumb and petty.
I know people are going to be mad at me for this, but irrespective of what's happening with Brianna Wu (don't really care to dive into the details that much), that thing with Rose Wrist was the lowest point for this community, in my opinion.
People don't seem to get it..After the shitshow with D man, this community became really paranoid about all the other streamers in that orbit. Some of it was Vaush's fault and some of it was exaggerated by a community of hyper online fans.
One could have said this about the Nazi's, before they rose to power. I know polling isn't everything, but 2024 general election polling should NOT be nearly this close considering how batshit fucking insane the GOP is.
Actually there is some evidence that national polls have just been not representative. State polls have been much more favorable to Biden. In fact all the swing state polls I have seen in the last couple of months, Biden seems to be winning comfortably including NH where he is ahead by 12 points in the latest poll. Also all the special elections, Dems seem to outperforming by 6-10 points. Mostly due to the Row effect but still matters.
What irks me the most is that SOMEHOW ITS US WHO ARE SUPPOSEDLY ALIENATING NORMIES AND MODERATE CONSERVATIVES. Every time I read this shit here on reddit I go fucking ballistic.
I think the last midterm and all the special elections since then are evidence that it's Republicans who are alienating normies. I mean we should always keep our message as universal as possible but the cranks on the left exist on the dark spaces online who don't influence electoral politics in any significant way as of now. They have not taken over the Democratic party thankfully.
Oh not at all...she is absolutely chummy with the Grayzone crowd. Vaush didn't know this or probably knew but it never came up during their conversation. Only reason she even dislikes Dore is that she used to go to Jimmy Dore live shows and Dore humiliated her during one of the live shows by endorsing some third party crank in her own race right in front of her.
There is a reason she lost miserably to a gnome like Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a politician nobody likes and Fetterman won one of the most crucial, hard fought swing states in spite of getting a stroke in the middle of the campaign.
Accusing people of being racist, anti-Hindu, colonial etc when called out for their terrorism, is a favorite pass time for Hindu militant nationalists.
I don't think they are even being smug to be honest... At the risk of sounding presumptuous, it's just a bunch of autistic/awkward teenagers who find it difficult to express themselves and a bit clueless about the effect their words have on other people. And in order to compensate for that, they try to copy what Vaush says on stream & his mannerisms which is a bad way to go lol
Vaush fans...stop asking these questions in a condescending manner. Just ask him normally to have the conversation without bringing in Hasan or what's in his interest.
Oh it made me dramatically question and reevaluate all the political positions I had. Stuff I used to take for granted without any skepticism and used to propagate myself. Probably I am still going through that process and I don't exactly know where I would end. I would still firmly be on the left I think but I would never be a part of the faction these people represent.
Idk if these people are really leftists tbh. A good deal of them are shiftless and take money from the Kremlin, and the ones that aren’t, are just insane.
But I am pretty sure I have heard prominent leftists repeat that in magazines like Jacobin. Not exactly the same words but vaguely encouraging conspiracy theories around Luland and National Endowment of Democracy. You can't call them right wing. We need to accept that such elements exist on the left in order to excise it.
Holy fucking shit… Dude I didn’t get duped into voting for some shitstain garbage „human“ I got tricked into supporting the same cause that rightoids were because they put forward a good point for once.
I don't know why it's so difficult for you to own that you were a right winger who moved to the left or even if in your mind you were a left winger, you were part of a misogynist right wing movement that formed the bulwark of what later became an alt-right or MAGA movement.
Lol...I really don't care about what thoughts you held in your head. I care about the utilitarian value of the outcome of your actions. Gamergate was a right wing movement. I have no way of judging individual actions/thoughts. According to your logic, I can't call a left winger who delusionally votes for Trump a right winger either. They can also later come & tell me they got duped.
Lonerbox is great, I've been watching his YouTube streams and he seems to have a really solid understanding of the Israel/Palestine conflict.
Also he comes across as someone genuinely trying hard to reach an interpretation of events as close to truth as possible without being too confident/arrogant about it. It's a rare quality in a streamer actually.
Absolutely. I think he tries to approach topics with as little bias or hyperbole as possible, which I really appreciate. I like vaush but he often speaks confidently about topics without a full understanding of the situation.
Yeah I agree...the thing that always made me like Vaush which I mentioned here too is his instinctive moral clarity and his rhetorical abilities that make up for his sloppiness.
I am still confused why this is now a big deal. Is it because of social media? Do westeners just not see arabs and muslims as people?
Why are you people so desperate to defend the indefensible holy shit? Palestinian liberation is just & righteous, Israeli apartheid is inhuman and Hamas raping & murdering civilians is monstrous too.
It's disgusting. But it's coming from both sides of Western political discourse. There were people on World News discussing what snacks they were eating watching a live stream of people being bombed and killed in Gaza last night - hoping for as much carnage in revenge as possible. An Indonesian hospital was obliterated.
Yeah people who were doing that were monsters too. They have always been. I am under no illusions about the morality of an ethnostate.
Y’all swallow bullshit from the democrats and then call yourselves what exactly?
Do you wanna get away from this sub or should we ask Bernie to call a cop on you?
I trust you all would call cops pretty damn quickly if somebody didn’t get in line
Yes...do you wanna find out? Show up outside Bernie's office protesting Ukraine aid.
"I ain't reading all that. Happy for you though or Sorry that happened"
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Seems non-negotiable to me.
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He is absolutely serious lol
Update: Russian Embassy in Canada tweeting: "Kosovo is Serbia".
NATO be like:
I am literally Vaush debating that Serb Nationalist: "What's wrong with you people? You are a tiny country that can just integrate itself to EU & the larger European economy and that would be enough for your country. Instead all you obsessively think about is invading & murdering Kosovars as you eat & drink and breathe" lol
Start the timer on him saying he never said this.
Oh he already did that and then added numerous qualifications & justifications to it and in spite of all that, what he is saying is still stupid & harmful.
I understand there is additional context, but why do people like this guy? The two times I’ve seen him he’s been annoying as shit and purposefully dense to prove a point
My sentiments exactly...even when he is saying something resembling what I agree with, it all looks so belaboured, in an obsessive sort of way. I can't watch more than 5 minutes of him. Anyways I try not to judge people based on who they like. It's a personal preference. I just hate it when someone tries to dump cold water on objectively good things.
I am not going to lie...This is actually cool to see.
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Yeah I kinda just saw the screenshot and didn't read the article and it didn't seem funny to me at all from the details in the screenshot. My bad though but I don't wanna delete the post.
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Lol... maybe I am autistic too but let people have fun with it.
Is this really true? That's so awesome.
I have issues with the Washington Post. But not that they will lie about stuff like this.
No no...I said that mostly in exclamation..I think it's really cool and I am really glad Vaush is finally doing stuff out there in the real world too.
Cool guy, handsome too
I also always learn something new from his streams/videos. From this I learnt that USSR had an exact same program in which they got their share of Nazis as well just like Operation Paperclip. The name of that Operation is too difficult to remember or pronounce lol
Can we say the D word now?
No..an obscure liberal streamer with a girl's name is much better.
What did just you say ? , loser nazis ?! , nazi means loser bro , you are saying loser loser , would you ask for a cup of coffee coffe with cream cream ?
I meant loser in the context of the last election but I get your point lol
Oh there is more yikes here:
If we get gamergate apologia in this sub.
Oh a lot of people were actually calling GamerGate as left wing movement a few days back in this sub. It's turning more & more toxic. I hope Vaush ethers it into the space.
Wait what the fuck??? No the fuck it wasnt!! Vaush seriously needs to burn this sub to cinders.
There was some person replying to me called himself a socialist and said he was leftist back then too and still a part of GamerGate because the women journalists were sleeping around with developers or something compromising their journalistic ethics. I can fetch the post but I am too tired lol
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What?
Idk why you’re in this community if you don’t give a shit about transphobia but alright then
Because I am privileged.
As someone who’s only seen her on panels and 2v2 debates, I’m completely lost.
The only normal reaction to her is that of indifference. It's just a purely personal drama dressed up as a political fight. Made the mistake of even paying any attention to it actually.
How? I watch Sunday's streams, and he's sort of a VGG-adjacent guy so I thought the flair would be funny. What's your major malfunction?
The lack of self-awareness is amazing. I really have nothing else to add.
If people wanted to criticize Rose Wrist for whatever he did on that manifesto(I think he just helped edit it?) ok fine but I think the business with redirecting his site was dumb and petty.
I know people are going to be mad at me for this, but irrespective of what's happening with Brianna Wu (don't really care to dive into the details that much), that thing with Rose Wrist was the lowest point for this community, in my opinion.
I can second that
People don't seem to get it..After the shitshow with D man, this community became really paranoid about all the other streamers in that orbit. Some of it was Vaush's fault and some of it was exaggerated by a community of hyper online fans.
One could have said this about the Nazi's, before they rose to power. I know polling isn't everything, but 2024 general election polling should NOT be nearly this close considering how batshit fucking insane the GOP is.
Actually there is some evidence that national polls have just been not representative. State polls have been much more favorable to Biden. In fact all the swing state polls I have seen in the last couple of months, Biden seems to be winning comfortably including NH where he is ahead by 12 points in the latest poll. Also all the special elections, Dems seem to outperforming by 6-10 points. Mostly due to the Row effect but still matters.
What irks me the most is that SOMEHOW ITS US WHO ARE SUPPOSEDLY ALIENATING NORMIES AND MODERATE CONSERVATIVES. Every time I read this shit here on reddit I go fucking ballistic.
I think the last midterm and all the special elections since then are evidence that it's Republicans who are alienating normies. I mean we should always keep our message as universal as possible but the cranks on the left exist on the dark spaces online who don't influence electoral politics in any significant way as of now. They have not taken over the Democratic party thankfully.
Is this something Jen has done consistently or a one time thing?
Oh not at all...she is absolutely chummy with the Grayzone crowd. Vaush didn't know this or probably knew but it never came up during their conversation. Only reason she even dislikes Dore is that she used to go to Jimmy Dore live shows and Dore humiliated her during one of the live shows by endorsing some third party crank in her own race right in front of her.
Ah, of course, because we know that's the main thing keeping House Republicans from actually passing good policies.
There is a reason she lost miserably to a gnome like Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a politician nobody likes and Fetterman won one of the most crucial, hard fought swing states in spite of getting a stroke in the middle of the campaign.
This thread truly encapsulates health illiteracy in the United States. I’ve never seen such a large group of confident idiots before.
Shut the fuck up nerd.
How? You don’t even support leftist other than Bernie, who is a socdem.
No Bernie is the only good leftist.
Which is unfortunate because that in turn has allowed him to popularize Hindu nationalism.
Yup..that combined with the regressive social conservatism which was on decline in India but an uglier form of it is rising again.
Accusing people of being racist, anti-Hindu, colonial etc when called out for their terrorism, is a favorite pass time for Hindu militant nationalists.
Very normal and totally not unhinged at all lol
vaushites quit being smug and insufferable challenge (impossible!)
I don't think they are even being smug to be honest... At the risk of sounding presumptuous, it's just a bunch of autistic/awkward teenagers who find it difficult to express themselves and a bit clueless about the effect their words have on other people. And in order to compensate for that, they try to copy what Vaush says on stream & his mannerisms which is a bad way to go lol
Vaush fans...stop asking these questions in a condescending manner. Just ask him normally to have the conversation without bringing in Hasan or what's in his interest.
I must confess, it is because of the seemingly so prevalent response on the left that I feel a bit alienated by it. Anyone else feel this way?
Oh it made me dramatically question and reevaluate all the political positions I had. Stuff I used to take for granted without any skepticism and used to propagate myself. Probably I am still going through that process and I don't exactly know where I would end. I would still firmly be on the left I think but I would never be a part of the faction these people represent.
Idk if these people are really leftists tbh. A good deal of them are shiftless and take money from the Kremlin, and the ones that aren’t, are just insane.
But I am pretty sure I have heard prominent leftists repeat that in magazines like Jacobin. Not exactly the same words but vaguely encouraging conspiracy theories around Luland and National Endowment of Democracy. You can't call them right wing. We need to accept that such elements exist on the left in order to excise it.
Love how people step in here and state vague, generic statements that everyone should abide by before thinking through it.
Holy fucking shit… Dude I didn’t get duped into voting for some shitstain garbage „human“ I got tricked into supporting the same cause that rightoids were because they put forward a good point for once.
I don't know why it's so difficult for you to own that you were a right winger who moved to the left or even if in your mind you were a left winger, you were part of a misogynist right wing movement that formed the bulwark of what later became an alt-right or MAGA movement.
Because I wasnt, I hated Trump and I hated the right. Why is it so difficult for you to accept that they are just sometimes good at hiding it?
Lol...I really don't care about what thoughts you held in your head. I care about the utilitarian value of the outcome of your actions. Gamergate was a right wing movement. I have no way of judging individual actions/thoughts. According to your logic, I can't call a left winger who delusionally votes for Trump a right winger either. They can also later come & tell me they got duped.